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tomd said:
Nope. But once Samueli mandated the playoffs it was only a matter of time before the stupid began. I’m expecting a lot more stupid this summer. Verbeek will be doing his best Rob Blake impersonation if I’m correct.
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How do we determine stupid? If we end up making moves and win a cup is it still stupid?
 
Carlson has declined but has been solid in the regular season even as he has gotten older but his play in the playoffs has been abysmal for multiple seasons.

Based on the rumors of the salary he is going to get I would be pretty confident that in a year or so his deal will be considered the worst from this UFA class and whoever signs him will be regretting the commitment.
 
Expected. Somewhat unfortunate for us. I'm torn. I don't like trading a 1st for a rental, but he also was pretty bad in the playoffs so not to upset he's moving on.

As for the trade. I mean any time you trade a 1st for a rental and don't win the cup, it's not great. However, those saying the Ducks weren't "there" yet to do this deal. It didn't just help us make the playoffs, we got to the 2nd round, and if we had competent goaltending, we beat Vegas. Also, whatever he did for Minty was crazy. Kid's game took a major step when JC got here. As others have said, still okay with how that trade worked out.

As far as suitors, it screams Tampa. I'd be shocked if it's not them, Philly, or Boston.
 
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Brodeur said:
I'm not saying teams should hand over 1sts, but Anaheim has a deep farm. They could afford to make a short term move in order to end a long playoff drought. The playoff experience should in theory be helpful for the progression of Anaheim's young core going forward. But I suppose it's understandable that Carolina has refused to give up 1st rounders for potential rentals.
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I don't really get this attitude, because even if you want to get better right away, you can oftentimes package a couple of firsts and get a guy who helps you now AND for years to come.
 
Oh no, we might miss the next Gaucher / Perrault / Tracey / Lundestrom / Jones / Steel. May as well fold up the franchise.

I agree, we will never know, unless you can glimpse the multiverse, if Ducks make playoffs without this move, or with a different move instead or no move at TDL.

Glad he's not returning, though. Definitely was cooked in playoffs esp. round 2. Then again maybe he shouldn't be playing 24-26 minutes at this stage...

But 100% fine with the move, the impact I like to think it had, and the signal it sent to the team/fans.
 
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Community said:
Probably not where he wants to go, but I feel like the Leafs could REALLY use his skillset.

#1PP QB and quality puck moving dmen are lacking in our group. Especially if we do end up trading Rielly as rumoured.

At 2 years, I feel like we could offer a pretty high caphit considering we have ample capspace now and that lines up with Matthews going to UFA (either re-signed to more expensive deal, blow it up and rebuild, or have loads to spend on any big name UFAs).
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I mean.. maybe it's because he didn't have enough time to gel with his linemates, but I really didn't consider him to be all that special.

In the playoffs he made quite a few bonehead plays that cost that Ducks during the vegas series
 
Ell Curry said:
I don't really get this attitude, because even if you want to get better right away, you can oftentimes package a couple of firsts and get a guy who helps you now AND for years to come.
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Like I said, I can understand Carolina's owner not allowing them to trade 1sts for potential rentals but would rather get guys like Brady Skjei or K'Andre Miller. I'm sure Anaheim kicked the tires for RHD with term but how many of those guys were available? If the recent report is true, they looked into Colton Parayko. Detroit paid a similar price to get Justin Faulk who had an extra year; Years ago Faulk blocked a deal to Anaheim, who knows if they were on his approved list this time around.

I don't mind Anaheim taking a shot with Carlson. As much as I love the draft, things get sketchier by the back half of the first round than most of us like to admit.
 
Smirnov2Chistov said:
I mean.. maybe it's because he didn't have enough time to gel with his linemates, but I really didn't consider him to be all that special.

In the playoffs he made quite a few bonehead plays that cost that Ducks during the vegas series
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He scored 60 in 71 games last year. Leafs could really use some more production from the defense. It's been a weak point of ours for numerous years.

Getting him for our #1PP would be a great help for a unit that has struggled to be consistently good for the last 3 or 4 years despite having a lot of offensive talent. I feel like a PP specialist like Carlson would probably help our group.
 
Carlson is awesome. If he was really getting 24-26 minutes a night in Anaheim, well there’s your problem right there. He’s not that player anymore.

$9M isn’t elite No. 1 money anymore either. The whole league has cap space and there are few good free agents. Carlson at 20 minutes a night is a really good player for whoever inks him, and it sounds like the term will be short.
 
tomd said:
The Ducks were in 1st place the day the trade was made. They finished in 3rd.
The Ducks had a better record percentage-wise without Carlson than with him by a fair bit.

Those are the FACTS.

OTOH, you can't point to Carlson as being a legitimate factor in any of the points you mentioned. All could just as easily been achieved without him. We'll never know.

Bottom line....the FACTS are not on your side. Neither is critical thinking.
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Do you not see the irony behind your statement here? You sit there and act like your opinion trumps others. You can’t prove that they wouldn’t have gone on an end of season slump had JC not have been acquired. If you use the same critical thinking that you’re accusing others of not using, you’d factor in the key injuries that probably played a large role in their slump. Yet that doesn’t fit your narrative so you have to play it that they became a worse team with him.

tomd said:
Just stating facts that the fanboys don’t like to hear. The facts say he didn’t improve the team. Anything beyond those facts is supposition that could be argued either way with no resolution.
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Again, the facts don’t prove that. The facts say that their record took a dip after he was acquired. You know what else happened after he was acquired? Injuries to key players. But let’s not let context be brought into this.

And it’s typical that whenever you object to others you always seem to result into name calling and being condescending.

tomd said:
What the “facts” don’t say is whether Carlson was the reason they got there. He sure was a big reason why they didn’t get past the 2nd round.

I’ve already stated my facts and they are indisputable.
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And I’ve already stated why your facts are just as baseless.
 
Carlson hitting free agency has been the news Philly. Rumors Carlson has interest being a Flyer. Expect a 2 year $10M deal or there abouts. Nurse has Flyers on his trade list. Yet that is a long term deal to take on.
 
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf said:
Do you not see the irony behind your statement here? You sit there and act like your opinion trumps others. You can’t prove that they wouldn’t have gone on an end of season slump had JC not have been acquired. If you use the same critical thinking that you’re accusing others of not using, you’d factor in the key injuries that probably played a large role in their slump. Yet that doesn’t fit your narrative so you have to play it that they became a worse team with him.



Again, the facts don’t prove that. The facts say that their record took a dip after he was acquired. You know what else happened after he was acquired? Injuries to key players. But let’s not let context be brought into this.

And it’s typical that whenever you object to others you always seem to result into name calling and being condescending.



And I’ve already stated why your facts are just as baseless.
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And yet with no factual basis whatsoever the fansboys are gushing about how the trade was still worth it because they won a playoff series against a horribly injured opponent.

Have you checked the injuries that Edmonton and Vegas were dealing with at the same time? And yet both teams breezed by a Carlson added Ducks team.

Verbeek took a gamble and lost. You can applaud his gamble if you'd like. IMO it was stupid and ill considered. And I suspect more such trades are on the horizon soon.
 
tomd said:
And yet with no factual basis whatsoever the fansboys are gushing about how the trade was still worth it because they won a playoff series against a horribly injured opponent.

Have you checked the injuries that Edmonton and Vegas were dealing with at the same time? And yet both teams breezed by a Carlson added Ducks team.

Verbeek took a gamble and lost. You can applaud his gamble if you'd like. IMO it was stupid and ill considered. And I suspect more such trades are on the horizon soon.
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Huh?

I’m going to assume you didn’t watch a lot of those series if you use the word breezed.
 
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