Still seems closer to Kuraly than Coyle if the Bruins are fortunate. Size and toughness is crucial in the playoffs but the Bruins continuing concern is the top end of the roster rather than depth once the Bergeron era ends.
Prospect Info: John Beecher signs ELC - 925K AAV
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rocketdan9
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When I see this/recognition (assists)... I see better hands/potential skillwise than Kuraly
Smitty93
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I think the problem is that history is against someone with his production. I think it's fine to say he can be an outlier, hell, just making it to the NHL means you're an outlier, but the odds are against him. When you look at players with similar draft pedigree and college production, it's difficult to point to someone who carved out a quality NHL career. I know injuries have impacted him, but it's certainly not a good sign that his production showed no growth in his 3 years at Michigan.
The point is fair but the exaggeration of comparing Marchand's projection to what Blidh is now is a stretch and turns it into blind faith. I recall Marchand as a 7.5C on this very site back in the day.
AngryMilkcrates
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Well, he is on a PTO. So they
There are so many factors people don't include here that determine a player's success.
How a player grows up off the ice is just as important, dare I say MORE important than how they progress in their on-ice development.
Jake had a hard time dealing with life during the pandemic. Look at how it changed his game.
Look at his attitude now and the results it is producing.
A player with oodles of talent can come in thinking he is the next superstar and do nothing to change or grow.
A few years later they are a bust and out of the league wondering how they got there so fast.
Not a single one of these prospects has lived the life they will need to in order to succeed at the NHL level yet.
Some adjust, some don't. Scouts work their arses off trying to peer into the proverbial crystal ball on each player they look at.
Even the best scout can only guess. It's up to the player to make it a reality on every level, on and off the ice.
Way too many NHL prospects have never lived up to the expectations put on them due to not being able to adjust to the NHL lifestyle or even the AHL lifestyle.
That can sink them quicker than not figuring out the defensive scheme of your team on the fly when the situation changes.
That's why the Bruins look for character in their prospects. If a kid has already put in the work to better themselves off the ice then the chances they will succeed in doing it on the ice are increased. Too many of us fans here don't get that. We want the shiny new 50-goal scorer sure thing.
There are no sure things.
Crosby learned to put the work in and become the player he is today. McDavid puts the work in to be the best player in the league year in and out.
Talent alone won't get you anything but expectations. Making that a reality takes all the things you wont see on these stat sheets.
There are so many factors people don't include here that determine a player's success.
How a player grows up off the ice is just as important, dare I say MORE important than how they progress in their on-ice development.
Jake had a hard time dealing with life during the pandemic. Look at how it changed his game.
Look at his attitude now and the results it is producing.
A player with oodles of talent can come in thinking he is the next superstar and do nothing to change or grow.
A few years later they are a bust and out of the league wondering how they got there so fast.
Not a single one of these prospects has lived the life they will need to in order to succeed at the NHL level yet.
Some adjust, some don't. Scouts work their arses off trying to peer into the proverbial crystal ball on each player they look at.
Even the best scout can only guess. It's up to the player to make it a reality on every level, on and off the ice.
Way too many NHL prospects have never lived up to the expectations put on them due to not being able to adjust to the NHL lifestyle or even the AHL lifestyle.
That can sink them quicker than not figuring out the defensive scheme of your team on the fly when the situation changes.
That's why the Bruins look for character in their prospects. If a kid has already put in the work to better themselves off the ice then the chances they will succeed in doing it on the ice are increased. Too many of us fans here don't get that. We want the shiny new 50-goal scorer sure thing.
There are no sure things.
Crosby learned to put the work in and become the player he is today. McDavid puts the work in to be the best player in the league year in and out.
Talent alone won't get you anything but expectations. Making that a reality takes all the things you wont see on these stat sheets.
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Who was the last NHL forward the Bruins organization produced that went threw their system.
I will wait.
Maybe its not the players, no management can F up this bad year after year in drafting
I will wait.
Maybe its not the players, no management can F up this bad year after year in drafting
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Can anyone talk about his negatives? I know people always post twitter highlights which are useful in highlighting his good plays.
I'd like to talk about what he needs to improve on. Are these things that can be easily matured as a professional? This is what's going to help him make the NHL squad. I don't care much about his highlights. Senyshyn had highlights every week on this board.
Is he not engaged at times enough as a center? Does he lack offensive creativity? Is he strong on the puck vs his peers?
I'd like to talk about what he needs to improve on. Are these things that can be easily matured as a professional? This is what's going to help him make the NHL squad. I don't care much about his highlights. Senyshyn had highlights every week on this board.
Is he not engaged at times enough as a center? Does he lack offensive creativity? Is he strong on the puck vs his peers?
Over the volcano
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Kuraly has some beautiful highlights too. . .
The hands/scoring/vision just hasn't developed. But he's bigger and faster than Kuraly. Could become the kind of player that drives opponents mad and defensemen through the boards before they know he's coming.
You need all kinds of ingredients to make a meal, he could be reaaalll useful to the club
arider1990
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Frederic. Then before him Debrusk, Pasta, Heinen, and Bjork.
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Looking forward to the draft this year when the Bruins go off the board with their first pick and draft someone that nobody else considered taking at all. I say this because I assume Providence needs bottom 6 grinders too....
As for Beecher, he's a long term project at best and will likely never see significant time in the NHL, good size and speed aside. He lacks hockey IQ, which is far more important than straight line speed.
As for Beecher, he's a long term project at best and will likely never see significant time in the NHL, good size and speed aside. He lacks hockey IQ, which is far more important than straight line speed.
Saxon Eric
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Hey I'm just giving an opinion. You don't have to be excited about every prospect/signing. I certainly don't claim to have all the answers.
Saxon Eric
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I wasn't pointing you out It seems a lot of posts are being dragged into my responses
Sorry
UncleRico
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Not very ideal when Danton heinen is the 3rd best forward this team has drafted in a span of a decade.
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Danny paille wasnt drafted with the intention of him being a 4th line grinder. He was supposed to be a top 6 forward and grew into a 4th line role after it didnt work out as a skill guy. The sabres were thinking bigger with him. Boston was thinking bottom 6 with beecher and they just might get it. But honestly his college production isn’t even promising to be that. Paille they reached for the stars and fell on the moon. With beecher they reached for the moon and who knows where theyll fall except maybe back down to earth
Ummmm, isn't this what a msg board is for.
Talk past present future.
Conjecture. Annalise. Debate.
Speculate.
You cant talk up just the kids that look promising if you cant also talk about the ones that haven't exactly shown much since their draft. Especially if they were taken in the first round.
We judge prospects before they are drafted. When they are drafted. And shocker, after they are drafted.
Yeah but it probably helps to actually see the prospect play before coming to firm conclusions about him though.
SwayHeyKid
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There are plenty of people on the internet who have seen a lot of him and get paid to do what they do who say he’s just not that a good a player and won’t amount to much. It seems fans disregard anything bad but when there is good like Lysell say, they pen him into the top 6 at 21 years old
Bruin4
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21 ?
Hell I got him there next year at 19. Lol
Saxon Eric
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Injuries and lack of finishing are his 2 biggest negatives
He's decent defensively and very strong at the dot
I have seen him take shifts off just like every other player not named Anton Blidh
Hands,creativity and vision are a bit inconsistent
He'll be the smallest player on his line and he's 6'3 210 but certainly the fastest, looking forward to watching that play out
Dennis Bonvie
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No problem.
Just saying I would personally want to see the guy play at the next level before trying to determine his worth as a player.
May have something to do with being a fan long before there were such things as message boards.
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The key takeaway from your post is that you had to go back 3 and 2 years respectively to show some positive offensive plays from the kid. That's the real issue. If he were actually skilled, they'd be more frequent and more recent clips to have picked from.
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I'm not writing anyone off at all, but I don't see the issue to be honest with the evaluation of a player in the system. Beecher is not a big time prospect. The team will be lucky if he turns into a regular NHL player. Nothing mean or bad meant by that either. Just that he's got to make significant strides if he wants to an every day player.
He also farms short-handed and breakaway opportunities during 50/50 instances out high. I don't think he gets enough credit as someone who although might not have the finish you'd hope for, remains an absolute load to handle for the team he's playing against on any given night.
I agree that he’s not a big time prospect but I think he’s got a high floor. I think 1 year in providence with mediocre production and he’s up here bringing some speed, size, and (hopefully) some nasty on a cheap contract to the 4th line
I’m not a huge analytics guy as they tell me Mike Reilly is a top 4 defenseman but iirc Beecher graded out pretty favorably with the charts
