Prospect Info: John Beecher signs ELC - 925K AAV

[BlackFrancis]

So we could see a Beech in Boston this season?

Not even a chance of that happening. When he signs his ELC, it won't start until next season.

At least, that's the assumption.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Its fine if the guy you pick 30th turns into that. Not super stoked on the idea of specifically targeting a player like that with the 30th pick. Plenty of offensive players turn to a bottom 6 role in the pros. But to draft a bottom 6 player is very very safe

I hear what you're saying, but that sounds like Danny Paille. And don't get me wrong, I loved him here, but if I'm going to have a fast forechecking 4th liner that can move up to the third line, I'd rather have that guy have some beef and grit to his game, which from all accounts Beecher brings. I feel like if the 30th pick is most likely going to end up in a bottom six roll based on the odds, why not start with a guy that fits the role size and speed wise and hope his offense comes around?

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I hear what you're saying, but that sounds like Danny Paille. And don't get me wrong, I loved him here, but if I'm going to have a fast forechecking 4th liner that can move up to the third line, I'd rather have that guy have some beef and grit to his game, which from all accounts Beecher brings. I feel like if the 30th pick is most likely going to end up in a bottom six roll based on the odds, why not start with a guy that fits the role size and speed wise and hope his offense comes around?

Yes, the bruins didn't draft Beecher to be a bottom 6 player. They knew his size, speed, defensive skills, and faceoff ability would allow him to become an effective bottom 6 player at worst.

But there were also reasons to believe his offense could develop if/when given a chance to play a higher profile role. He was burried a bit on the most gifted US junior national team level, and as he was the best defensive player there, he was given that role. But he did flash enough skill to make you believe he could develop second line offensive skills at least .

 

[whitetape]

Maybe a potential Nosek replacement, who I liked for the first half of the season. Nosek's play is steady but his lack of finish, even for a 4th liner, is maddening. He gets a lot of prime looks but just can't bury anything.

I'm excited and happy for Beecher. He would be a key young player for the Bruins if he came in and started to shine.

My impression is that he is a much different kind of player. Nosek is a smart veteran who can drive a bottom-six line. Beecher is more a supplemental piece with size and speed and a willingness to hit, but not much in the way of playmaking ability. I think of him as a slightly more dynamic version of Senyshen. Maybe he could become a younger, cheaper Wagner with some penalty-killing skills. A decent bottom-six piece after a year or so in Providence. So maybe a Foligno replacement.

 

[ODAAT]

I hear what you're saying, but that sounds like Danny Paille. And don't get me wrong, I loved him here, but if I'm going to have a fast forechecking 4th liner that can move up to the third line, I'd rather have that guy have some beef and grit to his game, which from all accounts Beecher brings. I feel like if the 30th pick is most likely going to end up in a bottom six roll based on the odds, why not start with a guy that fits the role size and speed wise and hope his offense comes around?

well said, I think too that what`s been a big problem for Beecher`s development is two injuries which eliminated him from so much hockey over the last few years. Also played on a team loaded with offensive talent and from what the coach said about him, seems like a hard working kid willing to accept a role.

Did the B`s envision him as a bottom 6 guy at the draft? No idea, it`s not like they drafted a big time point producer so I`m not so sure they penciled him in as a 1C or 2C

I`m intrigued with this kid, big, plays with some grit from the highlights I have seen, sure looks like he`s got decent hands so we shall see

Bruins sign 2019 first-round pick Johnny Beecher to amateur tryout agreement

The Boston Bruins announced that they have signed 2019 first-round pick Johnny Beecher to an amateur tryout agreement for the remainder of the AHL season. The two sides will continue to work towards finalizing an entry-level contract.

www.audacy.com

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

I get a kick out of how people are trying to project players who have not even played yet as bad NHL players and already writing them off.

Brad Marchand was supposed to be a 3rd line agitator at best. He was projected most of his career to be what Anton Blidh is now.
Patrice Bergeron was supposed to be a 2nd line center at best. He is now dead center of the team's photos and will be a universal lock for the hall when he hangs his skates up. Pastrnak was too small for the NHL and one-dimensional.

Yet what about all the absolute sure things like Nail Yakupov and Alexandre Daigle?

Anyone can grow into something unexpected.
You don't know what someone has until they've gone through the fire and are tested.

We might already have our future 1st line center somewhere and don't even know it yet.

Let the kids learn and grow. Enjoy that.
Heaping expectations onto them or sinking them early is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[DKH]

Don't like this kid, seems like an underachiever, but we shall see.

You play to your traits - just like life you get a job hopefully in an area you are interested in and good at. Kids don’t go to trade school to work in Customer Service.

The Draft - all drafts are like a buffet and when you are continually at the end you aren’t going to have a great selection,

However, their are players who are potentially valuable bottom 6 guys who have skill sets you identify - skating & size plus, character - defensive acumen & play with physicality

This was always Beecher

 

[Johnnyduke]

Wish I could say I was excited about signing him but as a junior he only had 15 points in 34 games on a stacked Michigan team. I am not totally writing him off but it looks like yet another underwhelming first round pick to me.

He had 16 points as a freshman. The growth has not happened.

 

[burstnbloom]

My impression is that he is a much different kind of player. Nosek is a smart veteran who can drive a bottom-six line. Beecher is more a supplemental piece with size and speed and a willingness to hit, but not much in the way of playmaking ability. I think of him as a slightly more dynamic version of Senyshen. Maybe he could become a younger, cheaper Wagner with some penalty-killing skills. A decent bottom-six piece after a year or so in Providence. So maybe a Foligno replacement.

The micro stats that elite prospects posted this year show him as elite at carrying the puck out and into the zone. He struggles passing to danger areas and isn’t a great finisher. You can see a future where he’s able to do some damage with a playmaking type set of wingers where Beecher is the guy who carries the puck and makes an easy pass and then focuses on retrievals and getting the puck over the blue line.

 

[DKH]

Wish I could say I was excited about signing him but as a junior he only had 15 points in 34 games on a stacked Michigan team. I am not totally writing him off but it looks like yet another underwhelming first round pick to me.

He had 16 points as a freshman. The growth has not happened.

They didn’t pick him at 30 to be Joe Nieuwendyk - at 30 you aren’t getting a selection of future Star centers
Kirk Leudeke does a podcast with Kyle Woodlief a former NHL scout on exactly this about drafting later in early rounds and looking till pick guys with certain attributes

The later you get from the top pick the more questions you get and less pure talent available per Woodlief

 

[EverettMike]

What a disappointment his ceiling appears to be "bottom six forward without a lot of production."

Because that means his floor is "total bust."

 

[BlackFrancis]

One thing to remember - sometimes it takes the big lads a bit of time to find their way. And Beecher is a big lad, if nothing else.

He may not work out in the end, but there's still some wiggle room for development. Enough to say it's still premature to make any judgements just yet.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Ah good old Bam Bam Rubble. I can't imagine how any of you deal with him on a daily basis. Surely on the Bruins payroll. Now saying his production is entirely underwhelming means you expected him to be Joe Nieuwendyk.

 

[remer]

You have to laugh when you hear comments like that’s what you get at the end of the buffet line, not a top 15 pick, what you do expect at 30th overall pick, etc.
Well that sounds pretty weak when you look at who was picked after for forwards like Pinto, Brink, Kaliyev, Robertson.
Bruins can’t keep striking out with their first round draft picks. Giving them away because of UFA signing mistakes, or previously bad drafting is not recipe for future success.
Our hope is Beecher does develop and become an important player in the future for the Bruins.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

One thing to remember - sometimes it takes the big lads a bit of time to find their way. And Beecher is a big lad, if nothing else.

He may not work out in the end, but there's still some wiggle room for development. Enough to say it's still premature to make any judgements just yet.

Yeah, might want to see him play as a pro a few times before passing judgement.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

What a disappointment his ceiling appears to be "bottom six forward without a lot of production."

Because that means his floor is "total bust."

well his floor is total bust in the same way that just about every player who has ever laced the skates has a floor of total bust before they prove something in the NHL.

I would suggest that his floor is still likely higher than most of the players on Button's top 50 prospect list. As he has a ton of skills and tools that can make him a very effective NHL player even if he scores 25 points a season, and his tools in that area are very advanced for his age

 

[rocketdan9]

I think Beecher is going to be a good one eventually. As productive as Coyle. But better/simple passes. And less tenative to shoot.

 

[rocketdan9]

Not even a chance of that happening. When he signs his ELC, it won't start until next season.

At least, that's the assumption.

"Johnny Beecher has made the decision to leave Michigan and the Bruins are excited that Johnny will immediately begin his professional career with the Providence Bruins," said Sweeney.

"We are appreciative to Mel Pearson and the Michigan coaching staff as they did a great job with his overall development. The Bruins and Johnny are leaving all options open with regards to his availability for the remainder of this season and playoffs. We will continue to communicate with his agent, Cam Stewart, while Johnny starts to play games and as we work towards finalizing his ELC."
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Providence Bruins playoffs?

 

[ON3M4N]

You have to laugh when you hear comments like that’s what you get at the end of the buffet line, not a top 15 pick, what you do expect at 30th overall pick, etc.
Well that sounds pretty weak when you look at who was picked after for forwards like Pinto, Brink, Kaliyev, Robertson.
Bruins can’t keep striking out with their first round draft picks. Giving them away because of UFA signing mistakes, or previously bad drafting is not recipe for future success.
Our hope is Beecher does develop and become an important player in the future for the Bruins.

These guys aren't exactly NHL mainstays that are difference makers for their teams. Kaliyev has the most NHL experience and he's only played 75 games while getting 12-13 minutes a night. He's produced at around a 28pt pace for the start of his career.

 

[BlackFrancis]

"Johnny Beecher has made the decision to leave Michigan and the Bruins are excited that Johnny will immediately begin his professional career with the Providence Bruins," said Sweeney.

"We are appreciative to Mel Pearson and the Michigan coaching staff as they did a great job with his overall development. The Bruins and Johnny are leaving all options open with regards to his availability for the remainder of this season and playoffs. We will continue to communicate with his agent, Cam Stewart, while Johnny starts to play games and as we work towards finalizing his ELC."
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Providence Bruins playoffs?

I think I might have forgotten the slide rule, with the 8 or 9 or 10 games requirement, isn't for guys 20 and older.

So, if they sign him to an ELC and he plays one game in Boston, that burns his first ELC season.

Am I right about this?

 

[ON3M4N]

"Johnny Beecher has made the decision to leave Michigan and the Bruins are excited that Johnny will immediately begin his professional career with the Providence Bruins," said Sweeney.

"We are appreciative to Mel Pearson and the Michigan coaching staff as they did a great job with his overall development. The Bruins and Johnny are leaving all options open with regards to his availability for the remainder of this season and playoffs. We will continue to communicate with his agent, Cam Stewart, while Johnny starts to play games and as we work towards finalizing his ELC."
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Providence Bruins playoffs?

Unless something has changed, I believe he could play for Boston in the playoffs if he has an ELC. IIRC when McAvoy left BU he signed an ATO to play with Providence, but when injuries piled up he signed his ELC and play for the Bruins in the playoffs.

 

[NDiesel]

You have to laugh when you hear comments like that’s what you get at the end of the buffet line, not a top 15 pick, what you do expect at 30th overall pick, etc.
Well that sounds pretty weak when you look at who was picked after for forwards like Pinto, Brink, Kaliyev, Robertson.
Bruins can’t keep striking out with their first round draft picks. Giving them away because of UFA signing mistakes, or previously bad drafting is not recipe for future success.
Our hope is Beecher does develop and become an important player in the future for the Bruins.

Of those guys you named only kaliyev has over 50 games, only two guys drafted after Beecher have played 40+ games (Kaliyev, Hoglander) with a handful of guys who have played 10 to 35 games

Point being is there are no guarantees that someone drafted at pick 30 or later will amount to anything, and almost all of them will take some time to crack an NHL lineup.

That 2019 draft in general looks pretty weak today after the top 20 or so picks.

 

[rocketdan9]

I think I might have forgotten the slide rule, with the 8 or 9 or 10 games requirement, isn't for guys 20 and older.

So, if they sign him to an ELC and he plays one game in Boston, that burns his first ELC season.

Am I right about this?

Unlikely but is there a possibility Beecher avoids burning a regular season game. But available for the nhl playoffs?

 

[BlackFrancis]

Unlikely but is there a possibility Beecher avoids burning a regular season game. But available for the nhl playoffs?

I don't think so, but I'm not confident in my knowledge right now.

 

[DKH]

What a disappointment his ceiling appears to be "bottom six forward without a lot of production."

Because that means his floor is "total bust."

The guy I’m watching is Shane Pinto who went 2 after - I’m not sure if I loved him because of his name or game but my Draft Guide looks like a 10 year old girl’s Teen Beat magazine cover of David Cassidy of the Partridge Family .

He hasn’t done anything yet so there’s a chance I won’t be depressed