Player Discussion Joel Armia - Your favorite Finnish player Edition

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Nah man. Guy has no heart duh.
I can't say I agree with you or disagree but that guy is a mystery. Should we resign a question mark guy? A guy that have every single tool in his toolbox but you might think sometimes he have no tool at all. We let him walk (or trade him), we make an huge mistake or we resign him we make an huge mistake. Flip a coin or let the animal zoo decide, thats where we are now with that guy.
 
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I can't say I agree with you or disagree but that guy is a mystery. Should we resign a question mark guy? A guy that have every single tool in his toolbox but you might think sometimes he have no tool at all. We let him walk (or trade him), we make an huge mistake or we resign him we make an huge mistake. Flip a coin or let the animal zoo decide, thats where we are now with that guy.
If you want, think about it this way. If we let him go, who takes his place and brings what he brings? He's our #1 guy along the boards, we won't be able to bring in someone with the same skillset.

If you want to have a successful team you need to have guys that have different skills for different situations. I believe he's one of those guys.

Also, similarly to Evans, I think he'll sign for more than what a few of us here might want.
 
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Two years is ideal. Gives Armia some security and in that time Tuch and Flo X will have 3 years in at the pro level and hopefully one of them will show he belongs and sticks full time.
If I was Armia and I want security, I would want a long term contract, no way I would sign for only two years, that's not the definition of security.

It will probably be Armia's last chance to sign a big contract before the end of his career. He won't accept a discount is my guess. Hughes/Gorton will have to pay or he is as good as gone imo.
 
If you want, think about it this way. If we let him go, who takes his place and brings what he brings? He's our #1 guy along the boards, we won't be able to bring in someone with the same skillset.

If you want to have a successful team you need to have guys that have different skills for different situations. I believe he's one of those guys.

Also, similarly to Evans, I think he'll sign for more than what a few of us here might want.
As long as he's not overpaid and not too much term. Habs need to be able to have a b plan if he doesn't deliver for whatever reason. He's paid a lot with his contract by Bergegin and most nights he didn't deserve his salary. But today is now and right now he's a very useful player. I'm not into the discussions you might have with others here about his salary and his term if he's resign. Some might laught if they think Armia will sign for cheap (2,2). We can expect a little raise of salary because his agent knows the market, Armia might want to go ufa next summer. I don't know how other gms think of him. It takes one crazy gm big fan of him. And maybe because of his mental Armia is playing better with the Habs jersey than another jersey. Maybe he's not like Lehkonen, Danault and Kulak.
 
As long as he's not overpaid and not too much term. Habs need to be able to have a b plan if he doesn't deliver for whatever reason. He's paid a lot with his contract by Bergegin and most nights he didn't deserve his salary. But today is now and right now he's a very useful player. I'm not into the discussions you might have with others here about his salary and his term if he's resign. Some might laught if they think Armia will sign for cheap (2,2). We can expect a little raise of salary because his agent knows the market, Armia might want to go ufa next summer. I don't know how other gms think of him. It takes one crazy gm big fan of him. And maybe because of his mental Armia is playing better with the Habs jersey than another jersey. Maybe he's not like Lehkonen, Danault and Kulak.
If he wasn't worth his previous contract then not sure why anyone should expect a raise? On top of which he passed through waivers, meaning every single team out there looked at him and said no thanks. There shouldn't be a lot of confidence that teams out there are in love with him and will lineup with big offers. If a GM out there was a big fan of his, he would've been claimed when he was on waivers or traded for.

There's this idea that because the cap is going up everybody gets a raise which is simplistic and often wrong. The reality of the cap rising is that the star and near star players get paid the bulk of that cap, but the veteran depth guys who are the ones who get squeezed because there's always a young guy who maybe isn't as good but is good enough with the potential to be better who can play the role and do it cheaply. It's why you quite often see perfectly serviceable guys on PTOs.

If he goes to FA he'll get offers, but they aren't going to be big bucks and lots of years.
 
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If he wasn't worth his previous contract then not sure why anyone should expect a raise? On top of which he passed through waivers, meaning every single team out there looked at him and said no thanks. There shouldn't be a lot of confidence that teams out there are in love with him and will lineup with big offers. If a GM out there was a big fan of his, he would've been claimed when he was on waivers or traded for.

There's this idea that because the cap is going up everybody gets a raise which is simplistic and often wrong. The reality of the cap rising is that the star and near star players get paid the bulk of that cap, but the veteran depth guys who are the ones who get squeezed because there's always a young guy who maybe isn't as good but is good enough with the potential to be better who can play the role and do it cheaply. It's why you quite often see perfectly serviceable guys on PTOs.

If he goes to FA he'll get offers, but they aren't going to be big bucks and lots of years.
He plays much better since the waive. It's like two completely different players. But I get your point.
Or tell that to folks here who wants him resign. Personally I would like him traded. He had his fat contract for years, I think I know him enough and I want a guy like Tuch to take his place and Habs keep their $$$ for the next contracts like Hutson, Demidov or an ufa they might sign next summer.
 
Team gave him player of the game internally last night , good for him , I'd love to still have Armia on the team if we ever make the playoffs in the next 1-2-3 years
He was great in the playoff run leading to sc final. He's finding his role and we understand better he's not a 2nd liner.

With proper expectations, considering his cap hit, he's an elite 4th liner. Every team making it deep have this kind of player in their team. I honestly chose Armia miles ahead of a Nick Cousins or the like.

3x2.8m or 2 x 3 would be a fine deal. The structure built by Hugues allow you to have a well paid and very good 3rd and 4th line since the top 6 has no player in the 9M+ range and we have a few good kids coming in. Not having a goalie at 10M helps too.

Gally and Dvorak must go. Savard may be back at 2 x 2M as 6-7th playing one game in 2-3 to ease in Reinbacher and fill in for injuries with a veteran presence. It takes only having to play a Barron during injuries to make one realize a good veteran is good to have up your sleeve, especially if one wants to go deep in the po.
 
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He plays much better since the waive. It's like two completely different players. But I get your point.
Or tell that to folks here who wants him resign. Personally I would like him traded. He had his fat contract for years, I think I know him enough and I want a guy like Tuch to take his place and Habs keep their $$$ for the next contracts like Hutson, Demidov or an ufa they might sign next summer.
There's no doubt he's been playing much better, but that doesn't mean he's getting a raise, it just means he'll get actual contract offers, because without the turnaround not even sure he would've gotten a PTO.

Personally I would re-sign him if he comes cheap and I'm probably more flexible on term then caphit. If he wants 3m+ then it's thanks for the memories and we wish you the best of luck.
 
2x2.5 seems like the perfect contract. He's outrageously inconsistent, although he's been very good since he got called back up last year. Kind of sucked at the start of the season but so did most of the team so I don't think it's fair to single him out.
This is exactly what I think the deal will be actually
And zero problem with it, he's still valuable for a couple years
He's clearly found his niche here finally and the right teammates and the coach knows how to use him now too
He is a PK and 'final minute of game' stalwart, contenders need them and these 6'4 guys with good speed don't grow on trees (hence why he is a mid 1st round pick lol)
 
Id do 3 years max if that's what it took to keep him. Can always trade him in his final year if he goes back to being lazy

I want armia to win a cup with us. Playoff hockey, we will need a player like him BAD
 
It's the same every year with Armia. He's a slow starter, so people get mad at him and wants him traded. Then by mid-season he's found his game and people starts to change their tune.

It would be easier if we just collectively assumed that he's a slow starter and treat him as such. Can't give a HUGE contract to that kind of player, but also you clearly need him if you want to have success later in the season and in the playoffs.
What are you talking about ? Hes not a slow starter but in fact a frustratingly inconsistent player who goes through stretches of great hockey only to follow up with even longer stretches of being utterly disengaged

Sorry, but the fact that he’s having a more consistent year in what just so happens to be his contract year is not a coincidence

If a team cones calling and offers something decent yiou take it and run as his value will never be higher.

Let some other team overpay and sign him in the off-season - rather use that money and put it towards signing Rantanen or .making a huge trade for a star that carries a big salary.

And speaking of fools gold, I’d also dump Gallagher for anything at this point. The guy is done and doesn’t bring anything else . I think his supposed leadership and heart is overrated
 
What are you talking about ? Hes not a slow starter but in fact a frustratingly inconsistent player who goes through stretches of great hockey only to follow up with even longer stretches of being utterly disengaged

Sorry, but the fact that he’s having a more consistent year in what just so happens to be his contract year is not a coincidence

If a team cones calling and offers something decent yiou take it and run as his value will never be higher.

Let some other team overpay and sign him in the off-season - rather use that money and put it towards signing Rantanen or .making a huge trade for a star that carries a big salary.

And speaking of fools gold, I’d also dump Gallagher for anything at this point. The guy is done and doesn’t bring anything else . I think his supposed leadership and heart is overrated
He had a good half season plus last year, so it's not just being good in a contract year. And incidentally his best year before this year was 2019-2020 which wasn't a contract year, so this whole he only plays well in contract years seems pretty suspect.
 
Who was better than Armia staal Perry ?
Armia and Perry both great pickups, never costs a thing.

Actually this team today reminds me of '21 Cup Finals team. One of those squirrelly teams. Makes them hard to play against. Very dangerous. Good firepower up front. With 4 strong lines, good depth. Strong goaltending and defense vastly improving.
 
Right, but it can be combined with Savard or Evans for someone who will be there long term.
Trading away Armia and Evans in a package would be a huge mistake if the objective is to win games with this roster. There is no way that they will both get traded, and I’d bet that both of them will get resigned, as they should be.
 

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