Value of: Joe Veleno for what?

[ricky0034]

it's pretty subtle but I get the feeling that OP might not like Veleno very much

 

[RedWingzz]

somebody is upset lol

Veleno has actually looked pretty good in the preseason!

 

[Ulysses31]

needs more consistent effort on ice. sometimes he looks like a burner, sometimes hes winning puck battles, but sometimes not

 

[Petes2424]

Why trade our 4th line center that is having a great preseason when we have no other 4th line center to replace him?

Because some people have no clue what they’re talking about. He took a big step last year, and they expect him to take another one this year. And yes, he just had a nice preseason. Most teams would like to have him on their 4th line right now.

 

[13to40]

He’s needed extra time to develop at every level (except early minor hockey years).

This will be an important year for him and based off of preseason performances so far, he looks ready to finally take the next step of his developmental curve.

I can see him putting up 20/20 this year if he’s given the opportunity in the rotation, while being above average in the face off circle.

The weirdo in the thread above hating on Veleno like he pissed in his cereal;must be Nino’s family member or something lol

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Buddy just wants Veleno out of detroit so he can stop pumping his daughter lol.

 

[Hobnobs]

Why trade our 4th line center that is having a great preseason when we have no other 4th line center to replace him?

Come on man. Veleno slept with OPs girlfriend and then wiped himself of on his pillow. He has to go!

 

[Stive Morgan]

2018 Draft was just...WOOF

Looking back... that's honestly shocking. Only 4 players have broken 300 GP and/or 200 points. That's pretty shit for a draft from 5 years ago. I went back and most drafts easily had 7+ (with dozens flirting around the 300GP/200 point parameter) by the 5 year mark.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Holland's drafting from 2015 - 2018 is just awful.

Anyway, at this point I think Veleno and the Wings would count their blessings if he becomes a Jarnkrok level type player.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

There is some strange hatred here. Did Joe cut you off in traffic

No, he tried to cut off Miederreiter's leg in Worlds.

 

[Vitto79]

Detroit Red Wings
Sam Lafferty

Toronto Maple Leafs
Joseph Veleno

Not bad
Leafs need cap space

 

[Skid]

Mathieu Joseph for veleno

 

[FlyguyOX]

Bag of pucks.

He’s never been high end. Just always has a bunch of juniors fanboys hyping him up

 

[RedWingzz]

Mathieu Joseph for veleno

Nope

 

[Sanderson]

Looking back... that's honestly shocking. Only 4 players have broken 300 GP and/or 200 points. That's pretty shit for a draft from 5 years ago. I went back and most drafts easily had 7+ (with dozens flirting around the 300GP/200 point parameter) by the 5 year mark.

I think that is a bit unfair to the draft. Five of the top 12 drafted players were defensemen, in total 14 out of 31 first round picks were defensemen. That is way above the norm. Since 2013 only one other draft even reached double digits in defensemen drafted in the first round (2019 with 10). 2011 and 2012 came relatively close with 11 and 13 respectively, but since then the number has been much lower.

It also doesn't help that both the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons were cut short. That's 38 games missing right there. And since defensemen are unlikely to score as much, the number of players who hit 200 points after five season will obviously be hurt as well.

It's not a great draft, but it's really not that bad. Many players are only now getting their feet going.
Dahlin, Tkachuk and Hughers are doing great, Svechnikov has stagnated a bit but is at a very high level, Hayton is starting to get going, and so might Kotkaniemi. Bouchard, Dobson and Miller are looking very good. Farabee has been solid, Sandin and Lundkvist finally got their chance after being stuck on their old team.

If you take a look at the last ten drafts that had five years of data to judge, it looks as follows:

300+ Games (in brackets within 5 games of the mark):
2015: 7 (+2)
2014: 6 (+1)
2013: 6 (+1)
2009: 6
2012: 4
2011: 4
2018: 4
2010: 3 (+1)
2016: 3
2017: 1

200+ Points (within 5 points):
2015: 7
2014: 4 (+2)
2016: 4
2018: 4
2013: 3
2010: 3
2009: 3
2017: 2
2011: 2
2012: 1

2018 doesn't really look too bad there, going just by these requirements.

The main mark against the draft is that many of the forwards failed to deliver or are just slowly getting up to pace now. And if you look at how the number of drafted defensemen compares to the 2012 draft, which suffers an even worse problem in regard to forwards, maybe teams went with so many defensemen because the lack of talent on offense was already obvious.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Ol’ stompin Joe- why would a team take that PR? Dude is unremarkable and best-known for doing a dumb thing, now let’s trade for him? Who gonna do that?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I think that is a bit unfair to the draft. Five of the top 12 drafted players were defensemen, in total 14 out of 31 first round picks were defensemen. That is way above the norm. Since 2013 only one other draft even reached double digits in defensemen drafted in the first round (2019 with 10). 2011 and 2012 came relatively close with 11 and 13 respectively, but since then the number has been much lower.

It also doesn't help that both the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons were cut short. That's 38 games missing right there. And since defensemen are unlikely to score as much, the number of players who hit 200 points after five season will obviously be hurt as well.

It's not a great draft, but it's really not that bad. Many players are only now getting their feet going.
Dahlin, Tkachuk and Hughers are doing great, Svechnikov has stagnated a bit but is at a very high level, Hayton is starting to get going, and so might Kotkaniemi. Bouchard, Dobson and Miller are looking very good. Farabee has been solid, Sandin and Lundkvist finally got their chance after being stuck on their old team.

If you take a look at the last ten drafts that had five years of data to judge, it looks as follows:

300+ Games (in brackets within 5 games of the mark):
2015: 7 (+2)
2014: 6 (+1)
2013: 6 (+1)
2009: 6
2012: 4
2011: 4
2018: 4
2010: 3 (+1)
2016: 3
2017: 1

200+ Points (within 5 points):
2015: 7
2014: 4 (+2)
2016: 4
2018: 4
2013: 3
2010: 3
2009: 3
2017: 2
2011: 2
2012: 1

2018 doesn't really look too bad there, going just by these requirements.

The main mark against the draft is that many of the forwards failed to deliver or are just slowly getting up to pace now. And if you look at how the number of drafted defensemen compares to the 2012 draft, which suffers an even worse problem in regard to forwards, maybe teams went with so many defensemen because the lack of talent on offense was already obvious.

Ok, very good explanation and all, but also f*** Velano, right? That’s mostly what we’re doin here.

 

[Voight]

Going back to when he was a junior, I still dont think he should've been granted exceptional status.

 

[PajamaBoy]

Veleno is a bum, he will never be a good NHL player and he also is a clown. This clown tried to end someone elses career by stomping on his leg. f***ing clown shouldnt even be playing but be thinking what a clown he is on the bench.

Settle down mutt

 

[Stive Morgan]

I think that is a bit unfair to the draft. Five of the top 12 drafted players were defensemen, in total 14 out of 31 first round picks were defensemen. That is way above the norm. Since 2013 only one other draft even reached double digits in defensemen drafted in the first round (2019 with 10). 2011 and 2012 came relatively close with 11 and 13 respectively, but since then the number has been much lower.

It also doesn't help that both the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons were cut short. That's 38 games missing right there. And since defensemen are unlikely to score as much, the number of players who hit 200 points after five season will obviously be hurt as well.

It's not a great draft, but it's really not that bad. Many players are only now getting their feet going.
Dahlin, Tkachuk and Hughers are doing great, Svechnikov has stagnated a bit but is at a very high level, Hayton is starting to get going, and so might Kotkaniemi. Bouchard, Dobson and Miller are looking very good. Farabee has been solid, Sandin and Lundkvist finally got their chance after being stuck on their old team.

If you take a look at the last ten drafts that had five years of data to judge, it looks as follows:

300+ Games (in brackets within 5 games of the mark):
2015: 7 (+2)
2014: 6 (+1)
2013: 6 (+1)
2009: 6
2012: 4
2011: 4
2018: 4
2010: 3 (+1)
2016: 3
2017: 1

200+ Points (within 5 points):
2015: 7
2014: 4 (+2)
2016: 4
2018: 4
2013: 3
2010: 3
2009: 3
2017: 2
2011: 2
2012: 1

2018 doesn't really look too bad there, going just by these requirements.

The main mark against the draft is that many of the forwards failed to deliver or are just slowly getting up to pace now. And if you look at how the number of drafted defensemen compares to the 2012 draft, which suffers an even worse problem in regard to forwards, maybe teams went with so many defensemen because the lack of talent on offense was already obvious.

I think we'll see some late bloomers in time.

 

[Oddbob]

Could Yzerman get more than just future considerations for this clown?

What makes him a clown?

 

[Oddbob]

Just got off the phone with Veleno.

Turns out:

That Veleno ate OP's turkey sandwich with moist maker, but didn't finish it all and threw out the rest. He also gave him the number of a hot and juicy red head, but turns out that was just the Wendy's restaurant. To make matters worse, he stole OP's ticket for a free Arby's curly fry from last season when the Wings scored 3 goals. Veleno offered OP a coupon for a free large Little Caesar's pizza to make amends, but the coupon was expired.

All in all Veleno seemed OK with the hate!

 

[biturbo19]

I'd take him for cheap. But i'm reading this thread as OP have a very strangely overexuberant axe to grind with him personally for some reason, rather than any actual particular reason for Detroit to want to unload him at this point.

 

[ole ole]

I'd take him for cheap. But i'm reading this thread as OP have a very strangely overexuberant axe to grind with him personally for some reason, rather than any actual particular reason for Detroit to want to unload him at this point.

I believe that the OP has no use for a foot stomping piece of shit. How can anyone disagree with him?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Mathieu Joseph for veleno

So we give Veleno up and take on your cap dump so you can sign Pinto?

Yeah no.