Blue Jays Discussion: Joe Panik traded for the reliever we need.

[Suntouchable13]

Dont forget billy mckinney and derek fisher lol

Yes, I knew I was forgetting some people.

 

[habamillions]

Yes, I knew I was forgetting some people.

I think mckinney is gone now. I just find it comical how many of the jays players they want. At least jays got something this time around. Most are waiver claims

 

[lebdafor norris]

Montoya caught lying, instead his actually been tweeting that to Panik everyday since the trade.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I think mckinney is gone now. I just find it comical how many of the jays players they want. At least jays got something this time around. Most are waiver claims

Gord Ash is still with Milwaukee maybe that has something to do with the Brewers affinity for Jays players

 

[MS]

Well Chatwood is on the IL, he's not exactly an option to be sent down. As for Dolis, yeah he's been bad this year, but after a 1.50 ERA last year in almost as many appearances as this year, it's pretty easy to understand why the organization wants to give him a chance to prove which guy he is. I am a huge fan of Castro though, that kid could be a future closer IMO.

Dolis is 33 and has had one good month in his career where the peripheral numbers indicate he was pretty lucky and nowhere near as good as his ERA.

Chatwood is on the IR now but I'll guarantee that when he comes back some better younger pitcher will be demoted so we can keep watching walk people and blow games.

Both guys suck.

 

[Lunatik]

Dolis is 33 and has had one good month in his career where the peripheral numbers indicate he was pretty lucky and nowhere near as good as his ERA.

Chatwood is on the IR now but I'll guarantee that when he comes back some better younger pitcher will be demoted so we can keep watching walk people and blow games.

Both guys suck.

So do the young arms, stop pretending like they haven't shit the bed just as often, and if you can't see the risk of this team losing more arms by trying to send down guys without options, there is no hope for you.

 

[Woodman19]

If Shatkins locks up Vladdy this offseason, we looking at 10 years, $240 million?
Takes him to 32-33 years old.
All his prime years.

Maybe similar to the 8 years, with 2 yr team option to be 10yrs like Acuna Jr's deal.

There is no reason to yet. We still own multiple years worth of control and with the season hes having you are not going to get a sweetheart deal out of it. Might as well wait it out and make sure he stays healthy and elite (which im sure he probably will)

 

[phillipmike]

Few days ago;



Later:



Twitter winning again:

 

[TGB]

There is no reason to yet. We still own multiple years worth of control and with the season hes having you are not going to get a sweetheart deal out of it.)

I have to agree with this. If you don't have to sign the player to a long term deal, don't. You never know what's going to happen. You don't want to end up with another Phaneuf. I mean, Vladdy is no comparison to Phaneuf, but you get the point.

 

[phillipmike]

Offseason moves making races interesting

2. Marcus Semien, Blue Jays:Signed for one year, $18 million
After Semien struggled last season, Oakland declined to give him a qualifying offer. Even the budget-conscious A's probably regret that decision, as it allowed the Blue Jays to sign Semien and move him over to second base.
Turns out, yeah, the guy who finished third in voting for the 2019 AL MVP Award is still pretty dang good. The move to second has helped him defensively -- his +5 outs above average are 16th best -- while Semien's batting numbers are remarkably similar to the batting line he posted in '19.

Semien's acquisition has also turned the Blue Jays' infield into an absolute juggernaut that should strike fear into the heart of every pitcher that has to face them. With Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette and Cavan Biggio lining up around Semien, the Blue Jays' infield has posted a Major League-best .356 wOBA.

All the players on this list were former Jays or players this FO was heavily after this offseason except for 1.

The 1 trade every contender needs to make

Blue Jays: Relief pitcher
Toronto’s acquisition of Adam Cimber was a start, but the Blue Jays -- who also acquired Trevor Richards from the Brewers Tuesday in a deal for Rowdy Tellez -- are in need of more relief help for the second half. The Jays have dealt with their share of injuries this season (then again, who hasn’t?), but in an ultra-competitive AL East, Toronto will need to bring in a relief arm or two (not to mention at least one starter) to take aim at the division title.
Potential fit: Richard Rodríguez

Deadline Roundtable: Cubs, M's, Yanks, Jays

Footer: Last question: What do you think of the Blue Jaysnow, and how do you envision their second half playing out? If you’re their GM, what do you do?

Feinsand: If I’m Ross Atkins, I call the Twins and do everything I can to deal for Berríos and Nelson Cruz. It’s time for Toronto to go for it.

Morosi: I like your boldness there, Mark!
And as you know, Ross Atkins and Derek Falvey know each other very well from their time in Cleveland. So I would expect those conversations to be as comfortable as any high-pressure negotiation can be.

Feinsand: The Blue Jays have six prospects on MLB Pipeline’s Top 100. I’m not saying to trade all six, but move a couple of them along with some other prospects and make a statement.

Morosi: Correct. And a number of them play the infield, where they already have a lot of depth.

Feinsand: There are quality assets there that teams will want. Use them. If you added Berríos and Cruz to the Jays, it would make for some uncomfortable nights of sleep in Boston and Tampa Bay.

Morosi: The way in which Alek Manoah has surpassed Nate Pearson on the organizational depth chart means that Pearson could be in play. I have doubts about Pearson's durability and consistency, but GMs might see enough there to make him a priority acquisition.

And one other thing about Toronto -- and it supports Mark's notion about going big with a Berríos-Cruz deal -- the Marcus Semien signing last winter was one of the best moves by any team. They have four position players in the All-Star Game for the first time since 1993. Semien is one of them.

He signed a one-year deal, and they may struggle to agree on an extension because of how they value all the talent coming behind him. So this is a unique window to win with Semien on the roster, and he's a huge part of what they do.

Feinsand: I’m not sold that Chaim Bloom is going to be a huge player at the Deadline. And we know Tampa Bay has financial limitations. The Blue Jays have a chance to do what they did in 2015, when they added David Price and Troy Tulowitzki. Go big.

I refer to this all the time, but I love Billy Beane’s philosophy on this stuff. When you see a window open during which you believe your team can contend, you owe it to your players and your fans to go for it. That’s Toronto right now.

Morosi: And let's note one more crucial detail: It's possible that by late July or August, the
Jays are back at the Rogers Centre. Talk about some momentum: move back home, add a couple players. There could be excitement to rival 2015, which was a pretty special time for this organization.

Feinsand: That place is rocking when the
Jays are good. There was no better atmosphere in baseball than Toronto during the final couple months of the 2015 season.

Morosi: Great vibe. Great city.

Feinsand: There are 24 days until the Trade Deadline, and I’m sure these narratives will change dramatically five more times between now and then.

Baseball!

 

[GreytWun]

Very hard to trust this manager even if the Jays go out and make big trades. We really need to move on from him next year.

I’m all for adding some more offence but is that what we need ? I think starter and bullpen are more pressing needs if we were to make some trades.

 

[weems]

Saw this posted on another Jays forum

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

There is no reason to yet. We still own multiple years worth of control and with the season hes having you are not going to get a sweetheart deal out of it. Might as well wait it out and make sure he stays healthy and elite (which im sure he probably will)

Totally get both sides of the argument.

Only thing of waiting too long to lock him up is you're buying more of his mid to late 30s years and just like the idea of buying up all his prime years if ya can at a reasonable caphit.

Curious to see what happens though, the price will only go up if Vlad keeps progressing this way.

 

[Woodman19]

Totally get both sides of the argument.

Only thing of waiting too long to lock him up is you're buying more of his mid to late 30s years and just like the idea of buying up all his prime years if ya can at a reasonable caphit.

Curious to see what happens though, the price will only go up if Vlad keeps progressing this way.

Probably will sign him after he accrues 4-5 years service time and lock him up into his 30's for a massive $300 million + contract. (Health pending)

 

[hockeywiz542]

Report: Rockies end all trade talks - TSN.ca

A day after manager Bud Black said the Colorado Rockies weren't dealing All-Star starter German Marquez, it appears the All-Star Game hosts aren't planning on trading anybody right now.

The Athletic's Nick Groke reports the team has gone dark on any trade talks and don't plan on reengaging until after the All-Star break, which will end on July 16.

Along with Marquez, starting pitcher Jon Gray, third baseman Trevor Story and veteran relievers Daniel Bard and Mychal Givens could potentially be trade chips with the team currently sitting at 37-49, both 13 games back of the San Francisco Giants in the National League West and the San Diego Padres for the second wild card.

Should he be dealt, despite Black's Tuesday comments, Marquez would undoubtedly command a large return.

The 26-year-old Marquez is 7-6 in 18 starts this season with an earned run average of 3.59 and a 1.177 WHIP over 105.1 innings pitched. He is in the second year of a five-year, $43 million deal.

Story, 28, is set to become a free agent at season's end. A two-time All-Star, he is currently batting .253 with 11 home runs, 41 runs batted in and an OPS of .775.

Gray, 28, is also set to become a free agent at the end of 2021. In his seventh big-league season, Gray is 5-6 with a 3.94 ERA and 1.238 WHIP over 80.0 IP in 15 starts.

The Rockies continue a series with the Arizona Diamondbacks in Phoenix on Wednesday night.

 

[Discoverer]

Report: Rockies end all trade talks - TSN.ca

A day after manager Bud Black said the Colorado Rockies weren't dealing All-Star starter German Marquez, it appears the All-Star Game hosts aren't planning on trading anybody right now.

The Athletic's Nick Groke reports the team has gone dark on any trade talks and don't plan on reengaging until after the All-Star break, which will end on July 16.

Along with Marquez, starting pitcher Jon Gray, third baseman Trevor Story and veteran relievers Daniel Bard and Mychal Givens could potentially be trade chips with the team currently sitting at 37-49, both 13 games back of the San Francisco Giants in the National League West and the San Diego Padres for the second wild card.

Should he be dealt, despite Black's Tuesday comments, Marquez would undoubtedly command a large return.

The 26-year-old Marquez is 7-6 in 18 starts this season with an earned run average of 3.59 and a 1.177 WHIP over 105.1 innings pitched. He is in the second year of a five-year, $43 million deal.

Story, 28, is set to become a free agent at season's end. A two-time All-Star, he is currently batting .253 with 11 home runs, 41 runs batted in and an OPS of .775.

Gray, 28, is also set to become a free agent at the end of 2021. In his seventh big-league season, Gray is 5-6 with a 3.94 ERA and 1.238 WHIP over 80.0 IP in 15 starts.

The Rockies continue a series with the Arizona Diamondbacks in Phoenix on Wednesday night.

Fun fact: Colorado third baseman Trevor Story has never played an inning anywhere other than shortstop.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Turning two fringe players in Panik and Tellez into two quality relievers with years of control is pretty god damn good in my books.

 

[TopChedder]

Turning two fringe players in Panik and Tellez into two quality relievers with years of control is pretty god damn good in my books.

Excellent asset management!

I also hope they don't come back to Toronto this year. It's not that I don't want to see them, but right now they can play to a full house in Buffalo, why the heck would they want to play in an empty dome? Asshat Ford will still not allow any spectators, hell even in stage 3 there will be like a few thousand fans in a place that can hold almost 50 thousand.

 

[phillipmike]

Best comment is "open the dome and hope for a rain out."

 

[Canada4Gold]

Best comment is "open the dome and hope for a rain out."

I'd bring in Bergen. He has more wins than the other 3 and doesn't have any losses so once we blow the lead maybe we'll win in the bottom of the 9th.

The alternative answer is I'd bring in Thornton because he's the only one currently on the team.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Kurtz]

Not sure what kind of drugs Morosi was on, but there's no chance this management group is trading 6 years of control on Pearson for 1.5 years of Kimbrel @ $16 mil/year.

 

[TGB]

Yeah, I saw that and was wondering what the heck they were thinking. Pearson at his absolute worst potential is a shutdown closer for the next 5 to 7 years, 10 if we're lucky...and we're hurting for bullpen help. That's not worth one year of Kimbrel.

Best comment is "open the dome and hope for a rain out."

I'd just bring in Romano and if anyone complains he's not ready I'll say "then tell him to put on his big boy pants and get ready". That or just use one of the starters. Anyone but those guys (well, okay, Bergen isn't too bad). When a bullpen is this catastrophically bad, you're better off just using your best relievers in high leverage situations until they absolutely can't pitch anymore. Chances are you'll make up the rest time on one of the blowouts the Jays frequently produce. There were like two weeks there where Romano rarely pitched at all.

 

[CatchyTune]

Instant upgrade in the pen.

 

[CatchyTune]

Kimbrel would be an unreal add. I thought I saw somewhere the price wouldnt be very high because of his salary? If we can acquire an elite closer for basically just $$, do it.