I think this was about giving a player a chance to sink or swim. Montoyo was criticized heavily for pulling Chatwood in a game last week so this was his gift to Chatwood to show him if he could close. Obviously he can't. Chatwood doesn't have the makeup of a closing pitcher. He's all nerves and was overthrowing everything.
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I think this was about giving a player a chance to sink or swim. Montoyo was criticized heavily for pulling Chatwood in a game last week so this was his gift to Chatwood to show him if he could close. Obviously he can't. Chatwood doesn't have the makeup of a closing pitcher. He's all nerves and was overthrowing everything.
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Throwing away a game to prove a point is dumb.
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The problem isn't entirely that Chatwood was left in as things started melting down. It's that Montoyo didn't have a contingency plan prepared and it meant leaving Chatwood in even longer still because they had to wait for Castro to be ready. And by that time Castro was in an impossibe situation.
If Montoyo wants to show some faith in a guy to see if he can turn things around, or even if its an attempt to leave him in to produce a "see what happens when I don't get you out of there as you start to struggle?" result so that he has the freedom to pull guys in similar situations later on, that's fine. What's not fine is getting caught with your pants down and dragging the pain out even longer than necessary because you didn't have a backup plan ready to go.
Especially when it was so obvious that one was needed.
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Thinking over 3B options, what is everyone’s opinion of Kyle Seager. I don’t think he would cost a ton. Might help solidify the position and be a bottom 3rd of the order run producer.
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I like Seager a lot, and for awhile. I would be happy to trade for him but the problem is he has a $15M team option that turns into a player option if he is traded and the Jays have no interest in using $15M on Seager next year imo.
Seager could negotiate with his new team to void the last year but i cant see why he would do that. He would probably only get $10M on the open market and that might be generous. So you probably have to up his buyout to $7-8M but i still cant see him walking away from a guaranteed $15M for $8M plus a chance at the market at 34.
I think Seager is also about a month away from gaining 10-and-5 rights, too. So if he's going to be moved, I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved before that happens rather than right at the deadline so the Mariners have more options.
The problem was that Montoya pulled Stripling too early the game before and used Dolis and Romero. It limited the options in game 2.
Stripling's been good lately, but how does he go from "Doesn't belong in a major league rotation and management screwed up big time by not replacing him" to "Should totally be trusted to go through the order a third time in a 2-run game" within two weeks?
They made aggressive moves to lock down the win in the first game and it worked. No issue with that... you make that move every time and figure out game two later. But when you get to the end of game two, you don't just throw your hands up and say "Meh, we won one game, that's good enough!"
Because Stripling completely changed his delivery to the plate. He was tipping hitters to his pitches and consequently was getting hammered.
If he sticks with his new delivery he could be a solid guy in the rotation.
Oh I agree. But that doesn't mean you trust him for a third time through the order in a tight game right off the bat. He's getting there, but that wasn't a terrible move.
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Montoya has to pray for a Leaf loss as that will buy him a month before anyone notices more of his horrible in game management.
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SWR is on the American team. Not sure what the planned day for him to pitch is. Also pitching on the American roster Anthony Gose.
I wouldn't be surprised if SWR is done with AA and heads straight to Buffalo after the tournament.
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10 players who are showing they're for real
Maybe i shouldnt have said trade him last year. @Discoverer
Maybe i shouldnt have said trade him last year. @Discoverer
So, a question about the double headers. How long in between games? Is it short enough that a team could, in theory, use the same pitcher in the last inning of one game and as an opener in the next?
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The back to back kind usually has about a half hour inbetween. The day/night kind are more scheduled and depends on how long the first game lasts but usually nowhere near feasible.
30 minutes is pretty long, but maybe if you were the road team and won it at the top of the seventh? Just a random thought that occurred to me recently.
Only issue I see with Teoscar is his defence. While he’s not Manny Ramirez there’s still just a lot be desired with defensive improvements. I prefer Gurriel and Grichuck defensively
I feel like he's made huge strides the last couple years. He doesn't really make many great plays or anything, but he also hasn't had so many of the brain farts that make us all think he belongs at DH.
I view him as average defensively so when I compare our outfield defence to the Rays which are the standard right now I’m envious. I’ve shifted my mindset from liking teams with big offensive players with average defence to elite defensive teams with great pitching. I don’t think Hernández is a liability though but long term I wouldn’t be against an elite defender at RF. Long term maybe that guy is Springer and we keep Grichuck too and and by 2022-23 we have a new CF like Martin. I do prefer Grichuck in RF over Hernández and having him at DH when fully healthy
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It's usually like half an hour to 45 minutes. I think the last doubleheader had game 1 end at around 12:10 pacific and game 2 started at like 12:55. Too long for them to want to bridge a pitcher between games.
That said they have had notices that said "game 2 will not start earlier than X", so presumably if the teams rocketed through the first game the wait could be an hour or more.
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