Blue Jays Discussion: Joe Panik: the hero we deserve

[hoc123]

Well, the Jays soon to be starter now has 8 strikeouts in 4 innings.

 

[sxvnert]

Started watching 8 min late and its already 5-0 wtf?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Manoah is the truth.

 

[dredeye]

Saw the score and immediately guessed it was Stripling pitching. Please bring up Manoah already. Their start days are the same. It's destiny. lol

I thought he was pitching well this season for some reason. Clearly I’m mistaken lol

 

[Canada4Gold]

Manoah 6 IP, 10 K, 1 BB, 4 hits, 1 run. Likely done as he's thrown 94 pitches.

 

[weems]

Manoah 10 k's

 

[supermann_98]

94 pitches thru 6 with 10 K's and the first earned run he's given up all year including spring training ... give him the ball and let him be our Juan Guzman circa 1992

Edit, Guzman broke thru in 91 but he also came outta relative obscurity as his MiLB stats we're very mediocre

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

 

[phillipmike]

No hitter for Kluber.

 

[trellaine201]

When will Alek Manoah pitch again? 5th day? I am curious and will watch his next outing.

Thanks

 

[Canada4Gold]

Maese 2 IP to finish the Vancouver game, 3 K's, just 1 infield hit.

 

[Blitzkrug]

God dammit and I was like "I should invest in Kluber cards" too.

This is lunacy. At this point I'm convinced literally anyone can throw a no-no at this point

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

 

[phillipmike]

When will Alek Manoah pitch again? 5th day? I am curious and will watch his next outing.

Thanks

It’s possible he might pitch on Monday vs the Rays.

 

[MS]

This was SO predictable and it will suck if those numbers are what prevents this team from making the playoffs.

Taijuan Walker has a 2.08 ERA and the Mets are 7-1 in his starts.

 

[Vector]

This was SO predictable and it will suck if those numbers are what prevents this team from making the playoffs.

Taijuan Walker has a 2.08 ERA and the Mets are 7-1 in his starts.

Shame Walker's on the IL now.

 

[MS]

Shame Walker's on the IL now.

'Left side tightness' so probably not a very long-term thing.

 

[Eyedea]

This was SO predictable and it will suck if those numbers are what prevents this team from making the playoffs.

Taijuan Walker has a 2.08 ERA and the Mets are 7-1 in his starts.

The entire NL East is also in the bottom half of offensive production.

 

[MS]

The entire NL East is also in the bottom half of offensive production.

1 guy in the division has a better ERA. And if he had a 3.12 ERA or something in the AL ... does that really change the point at all?

Letting him go was stupid and remains stupid.

 

[Vector]

The worry with Walker is the three year contract becoming a problem because all of his peripherals show that he's getting by on a lot of luck. I would have really wanted him back on a 2 year contract at a higher rate than he's getting (2/17 instead of the 3/23 he got). The problem is they didn't sign a single other starter and decided that rolling with an injury-prone inconsistent Pearson, reclamation projects in Stripling, Ray, & Matz, and hoping for a bounce-back season (despite nothing indicating that was in the books) from Roark. Blows my mind they didn't sign a single veteran pitcher to a short-term major league contract.

All these guys signed reasonable 1-2 year contracts:
Rick Porcello
Charlie Morton
Mike Minor
Tyler Anderson
Rich Hill
Garrett Richards
Jake Arrieta
Jose Quintana
Anthony DeSclafani

 

[Blitzkrug]

The worry with Walker is the three year contract becoming a problem because all of his peripherals show that he's getting by on a lot of luck. I would have really wanted him back on a 2 year contract at a higher rate than he's getting (2/17 instead of the 3/23 he got). The problem is they didn't sign a single other starter and decided that rolling with an injury-prone inconsistent Pearson, reclamation projects in Stripling, Ray, & Matz, and hoping for a bounce-back season (despite nothing indicating that was in the books) from Roark. Blows my mind they didn't sign a single veteran pitcher to a short-term major league contract.

All these guys signed reasonable 1-2 year contracts:
Rick Porcello
Charlie Morton
Mike Minor
Tyler Anderson
Rich Hill
Garrett Richards
Jake Arrieta
Jose Quintana
Anthony DeSclafani

A lot of those guys have been absolute garbage and do nothing to correct the problem though. Quintana looks like he's washed, Morton has been shelled pretty consistently. Arrieta hasn't been any good since the Cubs world series push, etc.

 

[Vector]

A lot of those guys have been absolute garbage and do nothing to correct the problem though. Quintana looks like he's washed, Morton has been shelled pretty consistently. Arrieta hasn't been any good since the Cubs world series push, etc.

There's also no guaranteeing that the ones who are performing well (Porcello and Anderson come to mind) would do so as a Blue Jay. The point is that any of them would have been cheap flyers and still would have performed better as a 4th/5th than what they did.

 

[metafour]

Letting him go was stupid and remains stupid.

Letting go a guy who had been a ~0-0.5 WAR pitcher in the prior three years because his ERA looks good in 44 innings is a "stupid"?

Happy for him that he's pitching well, but this is the stretch of stretches.

 

[MS]

Letting go a guy who had been a ~0-0.5 WAR pitcher in the prior three years because his ERA looks good in 44 innings is a "stupid"?

Happy for him that he's pitching well, but this is the stretch of stretches.

His bWAR was 4.2 in ~220 innings since 2017. Added another 1.1 to that in a 1/4 season so far this year.

Unfortunately he had TJS in the middle of that but it's been a long time since this guy wasn't effective when he was on the mound.

And yes, not retaining him was stupid.