Proposal: JJ Peterka for Marco Rossi

[Sota Popinski]

It is not me.. it is the league..like forever. Surely you can find examples of all these Defensive Dmen potting 20 to 30 points a year at the age of 31 that is pulling in huge returns in a trade.

Ekholm and a 6th returned Tyson Barrie, a 1st, a 4th and a prospect who was just drafted late in the 1st the prior year. Ekholm had a higher cap hit % and was a year older. Same amount of term left on their contracts. There's the price for Brodin

 

[Beerz]

Ekholm and a 6th returned Tyson Barrie, a 1st, a 4th and a prospect who was just drafted late in the 1st the prior year. Ekholm had a higher cap hit % and was a year older. Same amount of term left on their contracts. There's the price for Brodin

Which isn’t close to the value of JJ Peterka and Jiri Kulich.

Barrie has put up like 30 points since that trade..Schafer has been a mediocre ahl player.

When all is said and done Nashville is pinning their hopes on their 24th pick in 2023 NHL Draft to have anything of use from that trade.

 

[IAHockey25]

Are points the simplest argument and that's why people use it.

 

[Beerz]

Are points the simplest argument and that's why people use it.

No.. but you can't deny that as far as trade value goes defensive dmen do not bring in huge hauls..you can get a first round pick for them and a little something but you're not going to get a package like Peterka and Kulich. That is just absurd

 

[DigitalBoldy]

No.. but you can't deny that as far as trade value goes defensive dmen do not bring in huge hauls..you can get a first round pick for them and a little something but you're not going to get a package like Peterka and Kulich. That is just absurd

Larsson for Hall

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Who are the defensive defensemen that were traded recently that had reasonable term/cap hit, but also not an expiring contract?

 

[Sota Popinski]

Which isn’t close to the value of JJ Peterka and Jiri Kulich.

Barrie has put up like 30 points since that trade..Schafer has been a mediocre ahl player.

When all is said and done Nashville is pinning their hopes on their 24th pick in 2023 NHL Draft to have anything of use from that trade.

Please explain what the hell Reid Schaefer or Tyson Barrie's performance in the two years since the trade happened has to do with their value at the time of the trade, goalpost mover.

The point stands that Brodin's value is greater than or equal to two late 1sts even if you consider 2023 Barrie worthless. I highly doubt a team looking to become a contender, like the Wild, would trade a player like Brodin for futures. He's widely considered one of the top handful of defensive D in the league and had nearly the same TOI for Sweden in the 4 Nations as Dahlin if you're trying to claim his play had fallen off because he's 31 years old. He's one of the top 30-40 defensemen in the league and he's signed for 3 more years at only 6M

 

[DJN21]

Please explain what the hell Reid Schaefer or Tyson Barrie's performance in the two years since the trade happened has to do with their value at the time of the trade, goalpost mover.

The point stands that Brodin's value is greater than or equal to two late 1sts even if you consider 2023 Barrie worthless. I highly doubt a team looking to become a contender, like the Wild, would trade a player like Brodin for futures. He's widely considered one of the top handful of defensive D in the league and had nearly the same TOI for Sweden in the 4 Nations as Dahlin if you're trying to claim his play had fallen off because he's 31 years old. He's one of the top 30-40 defensemen in the league and he's signed for 3 more years at only 6M

I'd argue at this stage of the game Peterka himself IS worth 2 late firsts himself let alone looking for Kulich on top who himself was a late-ish first and has done nothing but improve his stock.

 

[Beerz]

Larsson for Hall

Go look at that trade thread and look at the people laughing at Pete Chiarelli .. it is probably the trade that got him fired. A bad trade is a bad trade..at that time Larsson wasn't even a particularly good defensively.

 

[Sota Popinski]

I'd argue at this stage of the game Peterka himself IS worth 2 late firsts himself let alone looking for Kulich on top who himself was a late-ish first and has done nothing but improve his stock.

Sure. I thought the deal was Brodin + Rossi for Peterka + Kulich (whose value I am clueless on) though, not just Brodin for those two

 

[DJN21]

Sure. I thought the deal was Brodin + Rossi for Peterka + Kulich (whose value I am clueless on) though, not just Brodin for those two

lol so many deals have been thrown around it may be my bad for attributing wrong value to what.

I balk slightly at Kulich being in it. I'd sooner include Byram than Kulich.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Go look at that trade thread and look at the people laughing at Pete Chiarelli .. it is probably the trade that got him fired. A bad trade is a bad trade..at that time Larsson wasn't even a particularly good defensively.

Can you provide a list of the the defensive defensemen with term left on their contract that have been traded that support your argument?

Not saying you're wrong, but rather it happens so infrequently that it's hard to gauge what their actual value is.

 

[Beerz]

Please explain what the hell Reid Schaefer or Tyson Barrie's performance in the two years since the trade happened has to do with their value at the time of the trade, goalpost mover.

The point stands that Brodin's value is greater than or equal to two late 1sts even if you consider 2023 Barrie worthless. I highly doubt a team looking to become a contender, like the Wild, would trade a player like Brodin for futures. He's widely considered one of the top handful of defensive D in the league and had nearly the same TOI for Sweden in the 4 Nations as Dahlin if you're trying to claim his play had fallen off because he's 31 years old. He's one of the top 30-40 defensemen in the league and he's signed for 3 more years at only 6M

Because they didn't have much at all trade value.

I am not claiming his play has fallen off a cliff. I think he is a very good defensive dman. I am just claiming that his trade value would not come close to Peterka and Kulich. And I doubt Wild end up trading him either because his value is probably worth more to Wild than he gets in a trade.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

lol so many deals have been thrown around it may be my bad for attributing wrong value to what.

I balk slightly at Kulich being in it. I'd sooner include Byram than Kulich.

I doubt that Byram would be of interest to Guerin. In fact, Power is probably the only non-Dahlin dman Guerin would have interest in.

 

[Beerz]

I doubt that Byram would be of interest to Guerin. In fact, Power is probably the only non-Dahlin dman Guerin would have interest in.

Power would make Guerin drink himself to death.

 

[DJN21]

I gotta be honest here I have no interest in Rossi at all. He won't solve our center spine's ability to be tougher to play against. He damn sure won't solve our cap crunch. If the player going back in JJ i don't think the point production will be any better, they will be a wash at best.....the Brodin talk...i get. I can see the need there. Rossi isn't gonna make or break our playoff drought and the cap situation will be the same as swapping Cozens for Norris...likely just puts us more in the hole for a comparable player.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Power would make Guerin drink himself to death.

Nvm - that came off darker than I wanted it to.

I could see Power flourishing in a structured system like Minnesota’s.

 

[Beerz]

Nvm - that came off darker than I wanted it to.

I could see Power flourishing in a structured system like Minnesota’s.

I doubt he ever flourishes defensively... he still has plenty of potential offensively however.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I doubt he ever flourishes defensively... he still has plenty of potential offensively however.

Exactly why I hope he's a target. We can stick him with Spurgeon and it'll likely be fine.

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

What about brodin+rossi for 9+byram

 

[Beerz]

What about brodin+rossi for 9+byram

Doesn't exactly fit the needs of Wild I would suspect.

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

Doesn't exactly fit the needs of Wild I would suspect.

Yeah the Sabres needs are 2c still along with a partner for power and it looks like a playoff squad
Tt-norris-tuch
Jjp-xxx-quinn/zucker/Benson
Greenway-mcleod-quinn/zucker/Benson

Byram-dahlin
Power-xxx
Now rossi could be that guy but I believe Benson played center in juniors and trying him out in that spot might not be a bad idea as he has the iq,skills, defensive ability and vision to play center maybe could be an o'reilly type

 

[DJN21]

What about brodin+rossi for 9+byram

Gotta take at least Lafferty back too. Cant add what maybe 13-15 mill in and only Byram's RFA out.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Gotta take at least Lafferty back too. Cant add what maybe 13-15 mill in and only Byram's RFA out.

Wild aren’t trading brodin and Rossi for a dman in Duran and the 9 th pick when they are trying to win. Besides that, they aren’t taking on any cap dump

 

[Hockeyfan200]

What about brodin+rossi for 9+byram

No