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thing is i dont think Vesey is doing anything all that special...what hes doing is getting to open areas, and hes playing with an elite player (Nash) who is finding him...a lot...and hes finishing. high danger areas tend to be high scoring areas...so him scoring a lot isnt surprising. honestly hes missed on so many good chances that he should probably have more goals.

Stepan and Nash seem to look for him and he seems to not have that disease that most people (myself included) has which makes a lesser player defer to the better players.

hes not trying to force passes to Nash or Stepan...hes taking the pucks they give him in prime areas, and hes putting them on goal, and now mostly in the net.

i think thats the big difference im seeing him..the kid is unafraid of being selfish while playing with much better players. thats a good thing.
 
Playing with Nash and Stepan is great for Jimmy. As much as people hate Nasher around here, he is the consummate professional, and their work ethic and attitude will rub off on him. Perfect situation for Vesey IMO.:)
 
I've always been a Big Nash fan. Best two way player in the game when he's scoring

He was a Hart Candidate most of 2014-15. He got a bad rap for not producing in the playoffs but his last two playoffs he's been good.

I think the A means a lot to him. I expect 30 goals 60 pts from him while being our best pker and matching up against top lines. That is not easy to find at all.

I actually expect Las Vegas to take him in expansion. That's how we'll eventually part with Rick Nash. We get 8 mil in cap space it's not a terrible trade off. But this will be a great season for him if he can stay healthy.
 
Kovalev27 said:
I've always been a Big Nash fan. Best two way player in the game when he's scoring

He was a Hart Candidate most of 2014-15. He got a bad rap for not producing in the playoffs but his last two playoffs he's been good.

I think the A means a lot to him. I expect 30 goals 60 pts from him while being our best pker and matching up against top lines. That is not easy to find at all.

I actually expect Las Vegas to take him in expansion. That's how we'll eventually part with Rick Nash. We get 8 mil in cap space it's not a terrible trade off. But this will be a great season for him if he can stay healthy.
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i dont think theres any way the rangers let him go for free.

especially not coming off of a hypothetical 30/60 selkeish season.

theyll trade him for a draft pick or something, but they wont let him go for free.
 
Inferno said:
i think thats the big difference im seeing him..the kid is unafraid of being selfish while playing with much better players. thats a good thing.
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That's a great thing. For far too long the team was dominated with the "Hoosiers" mentality of 5 mandatory passes before a shot.

He is also going to continue to fill out. That is also a good thing.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
The Rangers have a natural advantage in this environment as THE primo place to play close to home without having to be under the spotlight of home. And having the whole Boston mafia in the front office doesn't hurt either.
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We also have the understated advantage of never having first round picks for college FA's to compete against for roster spots
 
Why would the Rangers expose Nash and protect one of Pirri, Fast, Lindberg? Remember, you can only lose one player in expansion this year.
 
Not to hijack this thread, but speaking of Nash,I could very well see a situation where the rangers feel they don't get a good enough return for Nash and let his contract expire and resign him for cheap. Seems like Nash has no interest in moving and would like to finish out his career in NY.

Not saying I would agree with it, but I see the possibility.
 
3rd Guy High said:
Not to hijack this thread, but speaking of Nash,I could very well see a situation where the rangers feel they don't get a good enough return for Nash and let his contract expire and resign him for cheap. Seems like Nash has no interest in moving and would like to finish out his career in NY.

Not saying I would agree with it, but I see the possibility.
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As long as he can stay healthy, I wouldn't mind keeping Nash around for a short contract and a lower AAV. I feel like he'll sign something similar to Eric Staal's new contract.
 
Inferno said:
thing is i dont think Vesey is doing anything all that special...what hes doing is getting to open areas
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I mean, that's kind of special because if it was just that easy to do it'd be easy to score a lot of goals. Getting into high danger areas and more importantly being open for a pass in those areas is a skill that not every player has.
 
Mac n Gs said:
As long as he can stay healthy, I wouldn't mind keeping Nash around for a short contract and a lower AAV. I feel like he'll sign something similar to Eric Staal's new contract.
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I would sign up for that in a heartbeat. A good two way leader on a low cap hit. Have him be out Hossa for like 3million cap hit would be amazing
 
3rd Guy High said:
Not to hijack this thread, but speaking of Nash,I could very well see a situation where the rangers feel they don't get a good enough return for Nash and let his contract expire and resign him for cheap. Seems like Nash has no interest in moving and would like to finish out his career in NY.

Not saying I would agree with it, but I see the possibility.
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I could see it happening, and definitely think Rick would be open to it. A lot could happen in this time frame though. We have a lot of forwards who are gonna need to get paid, and a limited amount of spots.
 
Inferno said:
thing is i dont think Vesey is doing anything all that special...what hes doing is getting to open areas, and hes playing with an elite player (Nash) who is finding him...a lot...and hes finishing. high danger areas tend to be high scoring areas...so him scoring a lot isnt surprising. honestly hes missed on so many good chances that he should probably have more goals.

Stepan and Nash seem to look for him and he seems to not have that disease that most people (myself included) has which makes a lesser player defer to the better players.

hes not trying to force passes to Nash or Stepan...hes taking the pucks they give him in prime areas, and hes putting them on goal, and now mostly in the net.

i think thats the big difference im seeing him..the kid is unafraid of being selfish while playing with much better players. thats a good thing.
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Vesey is VERY good at finding space in the O-zone around the net. When Nash is on the ice, his ability to carry the puck off the wall to the net forces the D to shade to that side, opening a lane on the other side of the ice. This is where Vesey is timing his cut into that space as Nash is walking off the wall. It forces a defense to make a decision, stop the puck and allow the pass, or stop the pass and let Nash walk in.

They go together like (insert dumb comparison here)
 
nyr__1994 said:
Vesey is VERY good at finding space in the O-zone around the net. When Nash is on the ice, his ability to carry the puck off the wall to the net forces the D to shade to that side, opening a lane on the other side of the ice. This is where Vesey is timing his cut into that space as Nash is walking off the wall. It forces a defense to make a decision, stop the puck and allow the pass, or stop the pass and let Nash walk in.

They go together like (insert dumb comparison here)
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Lamb & tuna fish
 
if after his contract Expires Nash would take 1 year deals at 4-5 mil a year with NMCs id keep signing him till he starts to suck.
 
nyr__1994 said:
Vesey is VERY good at finding space in the O-zone around the net. When Nash is on the ice, his ability to carry the puck off the wall to the net forces the D to shade to that side, opening a lane on the other side of the ice. This is where Vesey is timing his cut into that space as Nash is walking off the wall. It forces a defense to make a decision, stop the puck and allow the pass, or stop the pass and let Nash walk in.

They go together like (insert dumb comparison here)
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agreed...their games really fit well together. stepan has been the weaker link on that line, but you can see its working..Step needs to work on a few timing things, but hes getting closer and closer.
 
Levitate said:
I mean, that's kind of special because if it was just that easy to do it'd be easy to score a lot of goals. Getting into high danger areas and more importantly being open for a pass in those areas is a skill that not every player has.
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i mean..i guess it is, sure...finding yourself in the slot all alone isnt easy...i think part of it is who he's playing with.


i mean, if you had a line with Stepan, Nash and Vesey...who would be your primary target to shut down? If you said Vesey, you'd be wrong.

Those 2 are really opening up some lanes for him that I didnt really see him get with other lines. Again, I'm not trying to downplay what the kid is doing, quite the contrary. Playing a simple straight ahead game, while having hands, and having excellent hockey smarts, makes for a real good player.

I think the bigger but slower Parise comparison is spot on. Parise is a star in this league...don't forget that.
 
Inferno said:
i mean..i guess it is, sure...finding yourself in the slot all alone isnt easy...i think part of it is who he's playing with.


i mean, if you had a line with Stepan, Nash and Vesey...who would be your primary target to shut down? If you said Vesey, you'd be wrong.

Those 2 are really opening up some lanes for him that I didnt really see him get with other lines. Again, I'm not trying to downplay what the kid is doing, quite the contrary. Playing a simple straight ahead game, while having hands, and having excellent hockey smarts, makes for a real good player.

I think the bigger but slower Parise comparison is spot on. Parise is a star in this league...don't forget that.
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I think you are really underselling Vesey here.

Getting open like has has been able to in high scoring areas is extremely difficult at the NHL level, regardless of who else is on the line, getting open AND being able to finish on your changes is even more difficult.
 
FLYLine27 said:
I think you are really underselling Vesey here.

Getting open like has has been able to in high scoring areas is extremely difficult at the NHL level, regardless of who else is on the line, getting open AND being able to finish on your changes is even more difficult.
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Thus far, Vesey has 6 goals and an ixG of 3.87. He's outpacing his expected value by 2.13 goals, which is 26th in the league.

So, you can look at this a couple of ways. Either Vesey is a top 30 shot converter in the NHL, or, he's gotten lucky on a few goals.

I remember one of his goals vs. Bishop being a hilariously stoppable shot, so if you take that goal away, you have Vesey outpacing himself by 1.13 goals, not as egregious at all.

Small samples, of course, but there are some names above Vesey you expect to stay there (Laine, Killorn, Malkin, Stamkos, Crosby) and there are some names above Vesey you expect to decline (Anisimov, Torrey Mitchell, Panik, JAM, Grabner, Sceviour, Dzingle, Pirri).

Which one of these groups does Vesey belong to?
 
silverfish said:
Thus far, Vesey has 6 goals and an ixG of 3.87. He's outpacing his expected value by 2.13 goals, which is 26th in the league.

So, you can look at this a couple of ways. Either Vesey is a top 30 shot converter in the NHL, or, he's gotten lucky on a few goals.

I remember one of his goals vs. Bishop being a hilariously stoppable shot, so if you take that goal away, you have Vesey outpacing himself by 1.13 goals, not as egregious at all.

Small samples, of course, but there are some names above Vesey you expect to stay there (Laine, Killorn, Malkin, Stamkos, Crosby) and there are some names above Vesey you expect to decline (Anisimov, Torrey Mitchell, Panik, JAM, Grabner, Sceviour, Dzingle, Pirri).

Which one of these groups does Vesey belong to?
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Players make their own luck ;)

Obviously he isn't going to score on a 60 goal pace all season

And i'm not sure how you can call Vesey's goal against Tampa a softy.... that was a perfect shot, just inside the far post from the slot.

https://www.nhl.com/video/vesey-scores-off-of-turnover/t-283037572/c-45846603
 
silverfish said:
Thus far, Vesey has 6 goals and an ixG of 3.87. He's outpacing his expected value by 2.13 goals, which is 26th in the league.

So, you can look at this a couple of ways. Either Vesey is a top 30 shot converter in the NHL, or, he's gotten lucky on a few goals.

I remember one of his goals vs. Bishop being a hilariously stoppable shot, so if you take that goal away, you have Vesey outpacing himself by 1.13 goals, not as egregious at all.

Small samples, of course, but there are some names above Vesey you expect to stay there (Laine, Killorn, Malkin, Stamkos, Crosby) and there are some names above Vesey you expect to decline (Anisimov, Torrey Mitchell, Panik, JAM, Grabner, Sceviour, Dzingle, Pirri).

Which one of these groups does Vesey belong to?
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I don't know he hasn't gotten any fluky goals yet and even the "hilariously stoppable shot" wasn't some disgraceful goal. This wasn't the goal Lundqvist gave up against Boston or Detroit or even the goals Allen and the Bs goal gave up behind the goalline. He's getting in prime scoring opportunities. Isn't it possible that his percentage will regress at least in part because his shots on goal go up rather than him getting cold? That said said he's now on pace for over 48 goals, so no **** that won't continue.
 
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