Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey Part II

[Rangers in 7]

I agree. Too bad it's only 5 games a year

i dont mind vesey as a third line winger, i still think he will score at least 15 goals this year maybe even 20+. Thats not bad for a third line winger

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

i dont mind vesey as a third line winger, i still think he will score at least 15 goals this year maybe even 20+. Thats not bad for a third line winger

And we still have 6 wingers who are better than him. Vesey has not earned a spot in the top-9

 

[Rangers in 7]

And we still have 6 wingers who are better than him. Vesey has not earned a spot in the top-9

i guess the only one we disagree on is fast

i love him him but hes only an ok 3rd liner and an excellent 4th liner

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

i guess the only one we disagree on is fast

i love him him but hes only an ok 3rd liner and an excellent 4th liner

You are talking about Vesey here, right? On offense, Fast and Vesey are similar. Fast is the far superior defensive player though

 

[Rangers in 7]

You are talking about Vesey here, right? On offense, Fast and Vesey are similar. Fast is the far superior defensive player though

i was talking about fast there....fast is far superior defensively, which means for me hed be better suited on the fourth line with boo and grabner

vesey actually offers some scoring punch on the third line

 

[romba]

Vesey has looked REAL good the past 2 games, I'm very impressed. He needs to keep it going for a bit before he gets out of my dog house though.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

i was talking about fast there....fast is far superior defensively, which means for me hed be better suited on the fourth line with boo and grabner

vesey actually offers some scoring punch on the third line

Fast is outscoring Vesey since the start of last season, despite playing mostly on the 4th line while Vesey was getting top-9 and sometimes even top-6 minutes.

 

[Tawnos]

Fast is outscoring Vesey since the start of last season, despite playing mostly on the 4th line while Vesey was getting top-9 and sometimes even top-6 minutes.

Vesey has played a total of 4 ES seconds per game more than Fast going back to the beginning of last season. Fast has outscored Vesey, that is true. But their ice times have been pretty similar.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Vesey has played a total of 4 ES seconds per game more than Fast going back to the beginning of last season. Fast has outscored Vesey, that is true. But their ice times have been pretty similar.

By top-6 minutes I don't necessarily mean he plays more, but with better players which could/should result in more points

 

[Tawnos]

By top-6 minutes I don't necessarily mean he plays more, but with better players which could/should result in more points

Top 6 players get more ice time than bottom 6 players do. I have no idea how a guy can spend significantly more time in the top 6 than another player, but end up with basically the same amount of time on ice.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Top 6 players get more ice time than bottom 6 players do. I have no idea how a guy can spend significantly more time in the top 6 than another player, but end up with basically the same amount of time on ice.

I have not checked the exact numbers but I am fairly certain Vesey was moving up lines during games quite a lot. PS: Vesey has played 17 more games since joining the league than Fast, who missed a bunch due to injury. Despite that Fast has more ES points than Vesey in that span

 

[Rangers in 7]

Fast is outscoring Vesey since the start of last season, despite playing mostly on the 4th line while Vesey was getting top-9 and sometimes even top-6 minutes.

fast is more of a poacher in a sense, i do agree that he can score but if i had to pick between the two to go end to end and score it would be vesey

as @Tawnos has said their ice time over that time span has been mostly even

i guess i just still believe that vesey has that scoring touch in him

 

[Tawnos]

I have not checked the exact numbers but I am fairly certain Vesey was moving up lines during games quite a lot. PS: Vesey has played 17 more games since joining the league than Fast, who missed a bunch due to injury. Despite that Fast has more ES points than Vesey in that span

My point isn't that Vesey doesn't move up, but that Fast does just as much.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

fast is more of a poacher in a sense, i do agree that he can score but if i had to pick between the two to go end to end and score it would be vesey

as @Tawnos has said their ice time over that time span has been mostly even

i guess i just still believe that vesey has that scoring touch in him

If Fast is a poacher Vesey is too....

Veseys goals are mainly tap ins and empty nets.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Jimmy Vesey's passing ability is not NHL level

I've never seen a player get intercepted as many times as he does.

If he has the puck on the powerplay and is not shooting, then its a guarantee that he will somehow turn it over.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

delete

 

[will1066]

If Fast is a poacher Vesey is too....

Veseys goals are mainly tap ins and empty nets.

Graves poached his way to 52 goals.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Slim Jim has not shown the kind of passing or vision that I would like to see but he has shown some strong glimpses of his skating and stick handling. He also has a strong snap shot from the hashmarks in plus good hands up close. His hands, shot, and size point to a guy that can score 20 goals in this league but I'd like to see him use his size more.

 

[Kovalev27]

I've never seen anyone at the nhl level as bad a passer as jimmy Vesey. having said that I still like the kid in a bottom 6 roll. he can play up and down and give you good mins. he should not be playing on the PP though because he can't make a simple play with the puck. Fast should be getting PP mins with Mika out.

 

[Holocene]

I'm fine with Vesey playing either the 3rd or 4th line. I don't buy the narrative that he's barely an NHL player. He's good at forechecking and he's good around the net. You must have had some lofty expectations if you thought he was anything other than supporting depth.

 

[silverfish]

(via Corsica.Hockey)
Jimmy Vesey has played 1290 5v5 minutes over the past two years combined.

178 forwards have played a minimum of 1200 minutes in the same timeframe. James ranks:

166th in points per 60
145th in primary points per 60
173rd in relative shot attempts for %
176th in relative goals for %
173rd in relative expected goals for %

But at least he looks like he's really giving 100% out there.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

(via Corsica.Hockey)
Jimmy Vesey has played 1290 5v5 minutes over the past two years combined.

178 forwards have played a minimum of 1200 minutes in the same timeframe. James ranks:

166th in points per 60
145th in primary points per 60
173rd in relative shot attempts for %
176th in relative goals for %
173rd in relative expected goals for %

But at least he looks like he's really giving 100% out there.

Oh..this again.

 

[DanielBrassard]

(via Corsica.Hockey)
Jimmy Vesey has played 1290 5v5 minutes over the past two years combined.

178 forwards have played a minimum of 1200 minutes in the same timeframe. James ranks:

166th in points per 60
145th in primary points per 60
173rd in relative shot attempts for %
176th in relative goals for %
173rd in relative expected goals for %

But at least he looks like he's really giving 100% out there.

Those are just terrible numbers. If the Rangers were smart they would move him before teams figure it out.

 

[Inferno]

Oh..this again.

its not like he passes the eye test either...hes a brutal hockey player.

puck on his stick , in front of the net...he can finish...
literally every other aspect of the game? Awful.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

its not like he passes the eye test either...hes a brutal hockey player.

puck on his stick , in front of the net...he can finish...
literally every other aspect of the game? Awful.

Agreed.

- He isn't physical
- He isn't a good passer
- He isn't a great skater
- He isn't good defensively