Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey Part II

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Oh..this again.

Yeah, who cares that Vesey is literally bottom of the barrel in any statistic you could think of. Anyone who criticizes Vesey is a hater!!! Silverfish, especially. That dude just hates everyone and makes my feelings sad.

 

[haveandare]

Again, he's an okay bottom 6 player now but he could be a lot better if he and/or AV would come to grips with what his skillset is and start tailoring his play around it. He's not a guy with sick hands, he's not a guy who can produce off the rush, he's not a guy who can go end to end. He should be hard in on the forecheck and camp around the net. He'd be good at doing that, but he plays like he's JT Miller who can do everything well, and he's not that kind of player and doesn't have that kind of skill.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Anything over 1m AAV is too much on his next contract. He's a dime a dozen player you can find in FA every year

 

[will1066]

Hobey Baker award winner, though. Right?

 

[silverfish]

Yeah, who cares that Vesey is literally bottom of the barrel in any statistic you could think of. Anyone who criticizes Vesey is a hater!!! Silverfish, especially. That dude just hates everyone and makes my feelings sad.

Can confirm. Bad poster. He realized this, and that's why he doesn't post as much anymore.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hobey Baker award winner, though. Right?

I am just going to leave this here:

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Jimmy Vesey's passing ability is not NHL level

I've never seen a player get intercepted as many times as he does.

If he has the puck on the powerplay and is not shooting, then its a guarantee that he will somehow turn it over.

He really is a horrible passer, he has putrid vision in the offensive zone. Not only that, but how many times is he gonna get the puck and head into the zone with a full head of steam only to:

A.) Fall down and turn the puck over
B.) Hold onto the puck too long and skate himself right out of a good shooting or passing area and turn it over
C.) Try and dangle through multiple people despite having open teammates and turn the puck over

 

[Inferno]

Not only that, but how many times is he gonna get the puck and head into the zone with a full head of speed only to:

A.) Fall down and turn the puck over
B.) Hold onto the puck too long and skate himself right out of a good shooting or passing area and turn it over
C.) Try and dangle through multiple people despite having open teammates and turn the puck over

all roads lead to turnovers with this kid. just a chicken with his head cut off on the ice.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Anything over 1m AAV is too much on his next contract. He's a dime a dozen player you can find in FA every year

Yep. Much better players in Pouliot and Hartnell were had for around 1M.

 

[will1066]

I am just going to leave this here:

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Some great names on this list. Peter Sejna. Marty Sertich. Blake "Don't Call Me Boom Boom" Geoffrion.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm fine with Vesey playing either the 3rd or 4th line. I don't buy the narrative that he's barely an NHL player. He's good at forechecking and he's good around the net. You must have had some lofty expectations if you thought he was anything other than supporting depth.

Have you read any of the threads from when we signed him and his first few months with the team? No one thought he'd be a star, but I don't think many expected him to be as average as he's been.

 

[will1066]

Reminds me of Jamie Lundmark.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Have you read any of the threads from when we signed him and his first few months with the team? No one thought he'd be a star, but I don't think many expected him to be as average as he's been.

Maybe not here but the average fan sure did. Susan Sarandon and Liam Neeson, among others, getting involved set those high expectations for the casual fan

 

[LeetchisGod]

The weird thing is that Vesey played really well at the beginning of last season. 14 points in his first 24 games and +5. It's been downhill ever since.

 

[silverfish]

The weird thing is that Vesey played really well at the beginning of last season. 14 points in his first 24 games and +5. It's been downhill ever since.

He shot 31% in October'16. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that wasn't going to last.

 

[LeetchisGod]

He shot 31% in October'16. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that wasn't going to last.

I don't remember him being such a turnover machine then.

 

[Inferno]

He shot 31% in October'16. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that wasn't going to last.

id disagree in that..i feel like most of his shots were from in close..he was going to the front of the net with power and he was finishing. One thing you have to give Vesey..if hes got a chance to shoot in the slot or near the front of the net..he's probably going to score.
the difference is now defenders know if hes got the puck, you dont have to respect his ability to get by you whatsoever..attack him, and its a turnover. they used to give him respect and back off, letting him gain the key areas and fire off some great shots. now...they just go right at him. nobody in the nhl respects his ability as a forward...its just so obvious. you see him with the puck, and theyre like...thank you kind sir, this is mine now.

 

[silverfish]

id disagree in that..i feel like most of his shots were from in close..he was going to the front of the net with power and he was finishing. One thing you have to give Vesey..if hes got a chance to shoot in the slot or near the front of the net..he's probably going to score.
the difference is now defenders know if hes got the puck, you dont have to respect his ability to get by you whatsoever..attack him, and its a turnover. they used to give him respect and back off, letting him gain the key areas and fire off some great shots. now...they just go right at him. nobody in the nhl respects his ability as a forward...its just so obvious. you see him with the puck, and theyre like...thank you kind sir, this is mine now.

It doesn't matter where you're shooting from. Nobody shoots 31% over a sustained period of time.

 

[Inferno]

It doesn't matter where you're shooting from. Nobody shoots 31% over a sustained period of time.

well...you do have Patrick Stefan on your side to this argument...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

*Shrug* I like Vesey

I never expected him to be some top line player. I always assumed he was going to be a middle 6 guy, who could chip in for 30ish points

I think AV's usage of him is something to complain about, but other than that he has been a free top 9 forward.

 

[bl02]

Has been disappointing for sure this season for the most part. He was good in the playoffs tho. I'm still not losing out hope on him being a 20 goal scorer who plays well and is visible in the playoffs.

 

[will1066]

He really hasn't been the same since getting hit in the mouth.

Please don't take this post seriously.

 

[Machinehead]

Again, he's an okay bottom 6 player now but he could be a lot better if he and/or AV would come to grips with what his skillset is and start tailoring his play around it. He's not a guy with sick hands, he's not a guy who can produce off the rush, he's not a guy who can go end to end. He should be hard in on the forecheck and camp around the net. He'd be good at doing that, but he plays like he's JT Miller who can do everything well, and he's not that kind of player and doesn't have that kind of skill.

Neither does JT Miller, but I digress.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't remember him being such a turnover machine then.

Because he was scoring.

We see this all the time, particularly with defensemen. If they put up a couple of points in the game, we suddenly forget everything they did wrong.

 

[Machinehead]

Graves poached his way to 52 goals.

It's a huge myth that Graves scored 52 goals standing in front of the net like a rock.

Graves was a good passer, had great hands, was elite along the boards, and was good defensively.

None of which even remotely applies to Jimmy Vesey.