Proposal: Jimmy Snuggerud and 16OA from STL to move up at draft

[Beauty]

Buffalo #11 + Ryan Johnson for Snuggerud

 

[BleedBlue14]

So what you are telling me is that he was carried by 2 better players


You do realize Pitlick was a better player than him last season...

Players drafted in the top10 are somewhat changing your team. They carry it. Jimmy showed he can't do that

I think you should really look at the past 10 years and look at the top 10 picks.

The top 5 picks rate are pretty good in your argument. 5-10, not so much.

 

[Stealth JD]

The Snuggy Bear slander will not be tolerated. If I’m Ottawa, I consider this. Snuggerud would be a perfect fit with Tkachuk & Stutzle

So, Snuggy and #16 for #7? I'd probably pull the trigger from STL's perspective...but I know there are those in Blues-land who wouldn't. Which probably means it's pretty close value-wise.

Wild #13 for Snuggered

Snuggy straight up for #13...and Blues keep #16? Tempting, but i'd probably pass unless one of the top-tier D-men fell.

Is Buch available?

Almost certainly, yes.

I would do this, not sure about other Flames fans, but I always liked Snuggerud

Snuggy & #16 for #9 seems a bit light going to STL; especially if Ottawa and Montreal would move their picks. But if Yakemchuk/Dickinson/Buium/Silayev are still on the board; I'd probably bite.

I'd do it if I was Habs brass for 5

Exactly who I was thinking of with this proposal. Couldn't see STL getting into the top-4, but 5-8 seemed reasonable.

I can’t help but actually consider this as a Montreal fan. Snuggerud is the kind of profile we need. And a 16th could allow us to still get a solid prospect or
Package it with the 26th for an established top 6. The Habs turnaround will be fast insuspect

Another Habs fan on board. I wouldn't hate a move up into the top-5, especially is Silayev falls a bit.

Buffalo #11 + Ryan Johnson for Snuggerud

Blues keep #16, and gain a young LHD plus #11? Interesting...
Would need to be an on-the-floor move as the board unfolds.

 

[BleedBlue14]

It better be a Nemec coming back if we're trading #16 and Snuggerud. Otherwise there's a very good chance the player that is taken is hated by the fanbase because we traded a young top 6 forward and another young NHL player.

There's way too many outcomes where something like this turn out terribly bad, and not many where the result turns out good for the Blues, disregarding the other teams outcome.

 

[Djp]

Blues need a top D prospect. I'd love to see them move up enough to grab a Dickinson, Silayev, Levshunov, Buium or Yakemchuk which would probably require a top-8 or top-9 pick. I may be in the minority of Blues fans, but all of the Blues top prospects are forwards. I'd be willing to dangle Jimmy Snuggerud and the Blues 1st pick to move into the top-10.

Would any team with a pick between 4 and 10 be willing to make a move back in exchange for Snuggerud's bomb of a shot and a later pick?

23 and 16 isnt getting you to top 10. Why would snuggarud? He has not moved up his draft spot.

 

[STL fan in MN]

It's from soundofhockey.com. the chart you are using from the athletic was created with the intent of the value that has been gained from these draft pick positions over time. It attempts to show what picks theoretically should be worth. The chart I'm using aggregates trades that have historically been made by GMS. What GM's have actually valued the picsks at in the past. Whether they should be valued like that or not, I prefer using a chart based on historical trades. Although I do like Dom's model and I think it shows that picks in the range you are offering (48, 56) are often undervalued by GM's). They are often traded for pretty much anything at the trade deadline.

That’s fair as I would agree it’s better to use how GMs actually value the picks vs what they’re actually worth (but of course opens up an opportunity gap for a savvy GM to take advantage of).

I assume this is the chart you’re referring to:

It still suggests picks 16 and 48 are worth the 11th overall…but of course, Buffalo could easily say no thank you and hang up the phone.

With this draft being pretty wide open and different teams bound to value these guys quite differently, I bet we see more movement of picks this year than last.

Then again, the number of 1sts that moved on draft day last year was 0 so it’s not going to take much to beat 0.

 

[Dr Quincy]

What draft pick value chart are you using? The one from the Athletic would suggest picks 16 and 48 would be worth about pick 9.

Of course, each draft and each situation is different. Depends on the level of desperation and who it is trying to talk the other side into the deal.

That chart might be good analytically, but I don't see it applicable in the real world.

In that chart picks 31 and 62 would be enough to ove up 11 spots in the 1st.

 

[Fjordy]

Buffalo #11 + Ryan Johnson for Snuggerud

Wait what??

 

[BleedBlue14]

That chart might be good analytically, but I don't see it applicable in the real world.

In that chart picks 31 and 62 would be enough to ove up 11 spots in the 1st.

I think these charts give a good reasonable range. They can't really factor out each individual draft though.

There are some drafts where I think 31 and 62 could land you 20, this may actually be one of them. However, there are alot where that would be a really dumb move.

 

[Djp]

It better be a Nemec coming back if we're trading #16 and Snuggerud. Otherwise there's a very good chance the player that is taken is hated by the fanbase because we traded a young top 6 forward and another young NHL player.

There's way too many outcomes where something like this turn out terribly bad, and not many where the result turns out good for the Blues, disregarding the other teams outcome.

Nemec was 2 OA. Youd have to add a lot more

Buffalo #11 + Ryan Johnson for Snuggerud

WTF....buffalo does not nerd snuggeruf let alone the value is outrageous

 

[Djp]

That’s fair as I would agree it’s better to use how GMs actually value the picks vs what they’re actually worth (but of course opens up an opportunity gap for a savvy GM to take advantage of).

I assume this is the chart you’re referring to:

It still suggests picks 16 and 48 are worth the 11th overall…but of course, Buffalo could easily say no thank you and hang up the phone.

With this draft being pretty wide open and different teams bound to value these guys quite differently, I bet we see more movement of picks this year than last.

Then again, the number of 1sts that moved on draft day last year was 0 so it’s not going to take much to beat 0.

That value chart is way off. 15 to 12 will cost more than a mid 2nd.

Buffalo isnt trading downn for a 2nd this yr

 

[BleedBlue14]

Nemec was 2 OA. Youd have to add a lot more


WTF....buffalo does not nerd snuggeruf let alone the value is outrageous

Not everything is a black and white value statement. Re-read the whole post.

 

[roon]

So what you are telling me is that he was carried by 2 better players


You do realize Pitlick was a better player than him last season...

Players drafted in the top10 are somewhat changing your team. They carry it. Jimmy showed he can't do that

Top 10 draft picks carry your team? Nail Yakupov says Hi.

Bottom line is that nobody really knows how these kids are going to develop. If you have a chance to get another high end prospect like Snuggerud while still retaining a top 20 1st - most teams take that trade.

 

[westc2]

Snug is projected as a top line RW, so trading him + 16 OA for an unknown D prospect is definitely not worth it from the Blues perspective.

 

[Mac Attack]

That’s fair as I would agree it’s better to use how GMs actually value the picks vs what they’re actually worth (but of course opens up an opportunity gap for a savvy GM to take advantage of).

I assume this is the chart you’re referring to:

It still suggests picks 16 and 48 are worth the 11th overall…but of course, Buffalo could easily say no thank you and hang up the phone.

With this draft being pretty wide open and different teams bound to value these guys quite differently, I bet we see more movement of picks this year than last.

Then again, the number of 1sts that moved on draft day last year was 0 so it’s not going to take much to beat 0.

I hope we see picks move. It's more fun

 

[MisterT]

So what you are telling me is that he was carried by 2 better players


You do realize Pitlick was a better player than him last season...

Players drafted in the top10 are somewhat changing your team. They carry it. Jimmy showed he can't do that

By reading this drivel, you too can lower your IQ.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

#10, Holtz for #16, Buchnevich

 

[MCB]

I'll echo I'd love him on the ducks, but we would have to find a different basis for a trade, and I know nothing of stl needs so I won't even try.

 

[Em etah Eh]

Only way I’m moving Snuggy is if I have inside knowledge that he might go the 4 year NCAA route.

Otherwise I’d just look at trading Buchnevich prior to the draft and see what teams would be interested in moving back to 16OA for a mix of…

“Buch Assets”, 48OA and 55OA

This assumes Buch Assets includes a late first at the minimum.

If we can’t move up and get a player we target we just hold steady and stockpile more talent.

 

[Double Dion]

It better be a Nemec coming back if we're trading #16 and Snuggerud. Otherwise there's a very good chance the player that is taken is hated by the fanbase because we traded a young top 6 forward and another young NHL player.

There's way too many outcomes where something like this turn out terribly bad, and not many where the result turns out good for the Blues, disregarding the other teams outcome.

Nemec? For Snuggerud and #16? Oof.

 

[Em etah Eh]

Nemec? For Snuggerud and #16? Oof.

Oof? Is that a Synonym for steal of the century because if it is, then I think you guys are close to agreement:

Poster never said it was close to fair value.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Nemec? For Snuggerud and #16? Oof.

I see a second person that read the first 10 words and didn't care to read the rest of the post and understand it.

 

[Frenzy31]

#10, Holtz for #16, Buchnevich

No.. We will keep both thanks,

 

[tsujimoto74]

Buffalo #11 + Ryan Johnson for Snuggerud

Gross.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

No.. We will keep both thanks,

He likely ends up going for a very late 1st and some change at the deadline