Jim Matheson should have his voting privileges revoked

[McDNicks17]

Matty is a moron, but I don't think the Hyman or Bouchard votes are any worse than the Forsling or Verhaeghe votes.

Bob was the pretty clear #2 behind Barkov for the Panthers.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Yeah it's not like goals help decide who wins the game or anything. All those points certainly didn't help the Oilers get to the finals despite their goalie rocking a sub .900 sv Percentage.


I mean he still almost put up as many points as Matthews and Marner so he's got that going for him.

Yeah, you're right, Hyman should've won the Conn Smythe.

Or are goals maybe not as important as you think?

My point was in reference to Bouchard even being considered over Barkov, which is pretty funny and something most reputable writers wouldn't have even considered - as shown by the voting resutls.

 

[Video Nasty]

Not that much of a reach to me. All three were some variation of most goals, most assists, most points, most points by a defenseman, etc in like 30+ years.

The crime was last season when McDavid didn’t win the Hart unanimously.

 

[NotCommitted]

I mean hyman did score 15 goals in the playoffs. its not that crazy

If you watched both Panthers and Edmonton playoff runs, it is pretty crazy...

 

[bossram]

I suppose the charitable explanation is that he was assuming the Oilers would win Game 7 and just didn't bother to update his ballot. But even then...

I think that is actually plausible. For G7, voters submit two lists: One for each team, should they win.

He might have only submitted an "if the Oilers win" list, or the other list got lost or not recorded or something.

Matty is a moron, but I don't think the Hyman or Bouchard votes are any worse than the Forsling or Verhaeghe votes.

Bob was the pretty clear #2 behind Barkov for the Panthers.

This is a worse take than Jim Matheson himself lol

 

[bossram]

This stinks like a ridiculously biased vote. Can't handle the lost.

My version:

#1 Bobrovsky (did an aswesome job in the crucial game of the series)
Tied #2-3 McDavid, Barkov

McDavid didn't produce in the last two contests.

Anyway, he got the Smythe. He's a very important brand for the league.

Bobrovsky first is worse than what Jimmy Matheson put down, lol

 

[McDNicks17]

I think that is actually plausible. For G7, voters submit two lists: One for each team, should they win.

He might have only submitted an "if the Oilers win" list, or the other list got lost or not recorded or something.

Friedman explained the process on 32 thoughts. Voters have to submit their list mid-way through the game, but they can put conditions on their vote. i.e. #1 McDavid, unless Bob posts a shutout then Bob is #1.

This is a worse take than Jim Matheson himself lol

I meant if you're going to put Barkov at #2, Bob is the only Panther that should be showing up at #3. Verhaeghe and Forsling have no business being on anyone's ballot.

 

[Regal]

I think that is actually plausible. For G7, voters submit two lists: One for each team, should they win.

He might have only submitted an "if the Oilers win" list, or the other list got lost or not recorded or something.


This is a worse take than Jim Matheson himself lol

I think too many dismiss Bob because of games 4-6 and overall numbers, but I think averaging numbers for goalies in the playoffs is a poor way to judge. In a best of 7, being great a bunch and bad sometimes is better than being pretty good al the time. Bob had some stinkers, but he was great when it mattered. Don’t see anything wrong with him being top 2 on Florida. The only other option would be Forsling.

 

[bossram]

Friedman explained the process on 32 thoughts. Voters have to submit their list mid-way through the game, but they can put conditions on their vote. i.e. #1 McDavid, unless Bob posts a shutout then Bob is #1.

I meant if you're going to put Barkov at #2, Bob is the only Panther that should be showing up at #3. Verhaeghe and Forsling have no business being on anyone's ballot.

The voting process, that is for most cases. In G7, when both teams could win, they can submit separate lists based on who wins.

I did not read correctly, I thought you said Bob was #1 for the Panthers, my mistake.

 

[bossram]

I think too many dismiss Bob because of games 4-6 and overall numbers, but I think averaging numbers for goalies in the playoffs is a poor way to judge. In a best of 7, being great a bunch and bad sometimes is better than being pretty good al the time. Bob had some stinkers, but he was great when it mattered. Don’t see anything wrong with him being top 2 on Florida. The only other option would be Forsling.

Bob also almost blew a 3-0 lead for them. That is mostly disqualifying, IMO.

FLA was the best defensive team in the league. They weren't even leaning on Bob to be spectacular. Given the defensive environment, all Bob had to do was be mid for most games and they would win. He managed to stumble himself into a 7 game series when it should have been no question who was going to win.

He also wasn't that great against TB or BOS. The Panthers were just such a superior and overwhelming team that they won those series.

 

[Regal]

Bob also almost blew a 3-0 lead for them. That is mostly disqualifying, IMO.

FLA was the best defensive team in the league. They weren't even leaning on Bob to be spectacular. Given the defensive environment, all Bob had to do was be mid for most games and they would win. He managed to stumble himself into a 7 game series when it should have been no question who was going to win.

He also wasn't that great against TB or BOS. The Panthers were just such a superior and overwhelming team that they won those series.

The Panthers defense was good but Bob also came up big in quite a few moments and he had a .937 in his wins. I get the narrative of blowing the 3-0 lead, but that lead was also in large part due to him and I’m not a big fan of focusing on narratives over results. He ultimately won the series and was great in the wins. He was also decently positive overall in terms of goals above expected even if nothing great. Just feels like the team had a lot of guys who had ups and downs that Bob isn’t really any different in that regard.

 

[William H Bonney]

He's absolutely a homer without any credibility. And a big reason why people overvalue player awards given how much bias and politics are in play.

It's also true that outside of McDavid, any Smythe winner this postseason would have been one of the weakest winners in the modern era.

 

[bossram]

The Panthers defense was good but Bob also came up big in quite a few moments and he had a .937 in his wins. I get the narrative of blowing the 3-0 lead, but that lead was also in large part due to him and I’m not a big fan of focusing on narratives over results. He ultimately won the series and was great in the wins. He was also decently positive overall in terms of goals above expected even if nothing great. Just feels like the team had a lot of guys who had ups and downs that Bob isn’t really any different in that regard.

The Panthers defense was elite. Bob did not have to be particularly good at all for them to be successful. Even in the 3-0 lead, he wasn't even that good other than G1. G2 was a defensive masterclass. G3 FLA locked the game down in the third.

Again, for the first two rounds as well, Bob was really not great either.

"SV% in wins" is not a thing lol. I could show you most goalies have a pretty strong SV% in "only wins".

 

[tabness]

He's absolutely a homer without any credibility. And a big reason why people overvalue player awards given how much bias and politics are in play.

It's also true that outside of McDavid, any Smythe winner this postseason would have been one of the weakest winners in the modern era.

It's hilarious how much stock people put into the awards voting analyzing them in great detail and then gotta deal with incidents like this or Ovechkin making the all star team twice on different wings. For the 1992 Conn Smythe one writer just filled out Lemieux for all three positions too lol

As for Matheson himself, good for him for being a homer and also taking the dig at Draisaitl, literally the most honest/human thing rather than some faux objectivity.

Since the award was voted on before the game ended, you just know he really believed the Oilers would come back too so the votes look more reasonable that way (ignoring the Draisaitl snub)

 

[NeverForget06]

Matty is one of those old Edmonton reporters who thinks that because he covered the 80s dynasty he knows all and the fact that they won so much has somehow made him a greater journalist by osmosis

 

[tarheelhockey]

Reminder: THE biggest award voting scandal took place in 1990, when it was leaked that the Edmonton voters rigged their ballots to tip the Hart balance from Ray Bourque to Mark Messier.

Jim Matheson was a prominent member of that group.

 

[Oddbob]

Why is Clark not getting flak for Bob being first when no one else even had him second and only 2 had him third?

 

[Sweetpotato]

Do I agree with his ballot? No

Do I think that it's inconceivable to have McDavid, Hyman or Bouchard on your ballet? Also no

Do I think having all of them on it is stupid? Absolutely.

I don't think having those players on your ballet is crazy as McDavid and Bouchard set records and Hyman set a cap era goal record. But you have to have barkov in any ballot.

 

[Wisp]

Edmonton fancies itself a hockey town but its media covers it like they work at a highschool newspaper. Extremely unprofessional, smalltowner shit.

 

[VainGretzky]

I mean hyman did score 15 goals in the playoffs. its not that crazy

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[5Hollywood5]

If players who lost in the finals weren't allowed to win playoff MVP, which they shouldn't be because they lost then we wouldn't have these issues.

The NHL should be more like the NBA, they gave finals MVP to a player on the losing team ONCE and never again because It's dumb.

Panthers are glad they gave it to McDavid, anyone on that team would be embarrassed to go up and grab it after what he just did.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Panthers are glad they gave it to McDavid, anyone on that team would be embarrassed to go up and grab it after what he just did.

They won, I don't think they would be embarrassed

 

[ijuka]

When you’ve shown you cannot make an unbaised judgment you shouldn’t be voting for NHL awards.

Edmonton Oilers’ Connor McDavid was near unanimous 2024 Conn Smythe Trophy winner – Professional Hockey Writers Association

www.thephwa.com

All three of those had better playoffs than anyone on Florida, though.

 

[5Hollywood5]

They won, I don't think they would be embarrassed

Disagree, they should and would be

 

[DFF]

Next time ban all homers from voting