Prospect Info: Jett Luchanko Thread: a new thread about Jett Luchanko

[Alex K]

 

[ponder719]

 

[Embiid]

So I am not following anything about this guy but I do see mocking posts about him. So basically what I understand is that we picked a mediocre prospect and that we overlooked better picks? Please tell me this is true so that I continue to have no faith in this year's draft when they pick in the middle again like brainless monkeys...

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

So I am not following anything about this guy but I do see mocking posts about him. So basically what I understand is that we picked a mediocre prospect and that we overlooked better picks? Please tell me this is true so that I continue to have no faith in this year's draft when they pick in the middle again like brainless monkeys...

The Flyers had a player on the board that many had in their top 5 talents in the draft. That was Zeev Buium.

The Flyers traded down instead of selecting him and then drafted a player who only had speed as a plus skill in his pre-draft assessment.

Luchanko is a defensively responsible player who also finds himself in the right areas in the offensive zone, but does not impress much with the puck on his stick. A middle six upside is probably his most likely positive outcome.

Buium is a special player and will also be compared to Luchanko by Flyers fans who were upset at trading down there.

 

[Embiid]

I forgot about the Buium situation and how the Flyers approached the draft like the smartest people in the room....

 

[deadhead]

The Flyers had a player on the board that many had in their top 5 talents in the draft. That was Zeev Buium.

The Flyers traded down instead of selecting him and then drafted a player who only had speed as a plus skill in his pre-draft assessment.

Luchanko is a defensively responsible player who also finds himself in the right areas in the offensive zone, but does not impress much with the puck on his stick. A middle six upside is probably his most likely positive outcome.

Buium is a special player and will also be compared to Luchanko by Flyers fans who were upset at trading down there.

How many points does Buium have in the NHL?
I wasn't that impressed with him in the WJC games I saw, I didn't see anything that screamed special player.
He may turn out to be very good, he may turn out to be a little slow for the pro game.

 

[renberg]

I forgot about the Buium situation and how the Flyers approached the draft like the smartest people in the room....

Nothing new. Holmgren had a spare first rounder and a desire for Steve Emminger so he passed on John Carlson

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

How many points does Buium have in the NHL?
I wasn't that impressed with him in the WJC games I saw, I didn't see anything that screamed special player.
He may turn out to be very good, he may turn out to be a little slow for the pro game.

Okay?

Luchanko was wholly unimpressive at the WJC, significantly less noticeable than Buium, but I couldn't care less about a short form tournament.

Maybe we should just wait 3 years.

 

[Embiid]

Nothing new. Holmgren had a spare first rounder and a desire for Steve Emminger so he passed on John Carlson

It is short-sighted brainless moves like those that set franchises back decades.

Yeah...I remember Holmgren's reasoning....needed a RHD...was still young but more seasoned (in the NHL already) and had a good playoff showing that year against us (the worst rationale of them all) and since it was a high second round pick they felt they were essentially swapping for another first rounder in addition to Sbisa!

Edit: pardon on the last point..Carlson was a late 1st rounder not an early 2nd but Holmgren said they were getting a more seasoned 1st rounder with Eminger.

Lol. I remember screaming at the TV when I heard him interviewed. Yet he is still considered a "titan" and valued for his input.

STAB MY EYE WITH A TOOTHPICK!

 

[deadhead]

Okay?

Luchanko was wholly unimpressive at the WJC, significantly less noticeable than Buium, but I couldn't care less about a short form tournament.

Maybe we should just wait 3 years.

Luchanko was limited to a 4th line role and PK killing and protecting leads at the end of the game.
Kept hoping Guelph would trade him to a team with talented wings so he can work on his offensive game.
No such luck.

 

[Magua]

Luchanko was limited to a 4th line role and PK killing and protecting leads at the end of the game.
Kept hoping Guelph would trade him to a team with talented wings so he can work on his offensive game.
No such luck.

You brag about not watching CHL games. So, you’ve only ever watched Luchanko in a limited role in the WJC, along with a limited role in preseason and 4 NHL games where he did nothing offensively. The first thing you say about his offense is that he need to work on his shot, which no one else ever brought up. What do you even have to base your opinion on then?

I wasn't that impressed with him in the WJC games

History says that’s a ringing endorsement.

Dickinson was awful, after you spent the last few months creating a narrative that he was the Flyers dream pick. It has nothing to do with Buium. If everyone wanted some schmuck named Timmy Tuba, you’d find 25 contradictory reasons to dislike Timmy Tuba.

 

[Embiid]

Luchanko was limited to a 4th line role and PK killing and protecting leads at the end of the game.
Kept hoping Guelph would trade him to a team with talented wings so he can work on his offensive game.
No such luck.

Correction..you mean no such "Luchanko"

 

[Beef Invictus]

How many points does Buium have in the NHL?
I wasn't that impressed with him in the WJC games I saw, I didn't see anything that screamed special player.
He may turn out to be very good, he may turn out to be a little slow for the pro game.

My brotato chip, this take is going to age like a bucket of meat juice left out in Florida

 

[CerpinTaxt]

My brotato chip, this take is going to age like a bucket of meat juice left out in Florida

Wanna know who my favorite Bond was? Pierce BROsnan.

More on topic Flyers punted this draft pick

 

[Flybynite]

How many points does Buium have in the NHL?
I wasn't that impressed with him in the WJC games I saw, I didn't see anything that screamed special player.
He may turn out to be very good, he may turn out to be a little slow for the pro game.

You said that like Luchanko had points in the NHL. He played 4 games and scored no points.

 

[Svedu]

Flyers are one of the worst franchises in drafting prospects. Like can they just start tanking already. Completely clueless in every way.

Look at Capitals drafting 2024: Hutson drafted in the second round will most likely become a top4 at the very least. Guy was drafted after Luchanko... Crazy.
Muggli will surely become a NHLer, I promise you guys. Top4 or top6 is the question. Protas and Mateiko, two big bodied with serious skill selected in the third round? Criminal. These guys have top9 written all over them, make no mistake about it. I have a feeling they are closer to having a higher ceiling than lower than that.
Sikora in the 6th round. The guy was a absolute gem in this years WJC's. Honestly don't think he's any worse than Luchanko. Again, picked in the sixth round...

This franchise is in absolute shambles.

 

[Svedu]

They don't f*cking get it. When drafting from NA you should only focus in high scoring players. Nothing against Luchanko as a person but those role players are easily found in the later rounds as well and especially from Europe. Finland produce great fourth line centers etc. Pick those in the last round if you wish. Don't waste the first f*cking pick on a mid6 center or wing.
Imagine there are only two mentionable interesting players in main roster. Michkov and Konecny. Then we have Tuomaala in the AHL who could be a interesting piece but most likely for the top9 and PP2.

I would honestly trade Konecny for high first round picks if possible. Doesn't matter if it gets the team weaker in this upcoming year or the after. We need Hagens more than say Konecny. This team will never be competitive during Konecnys time either if they don't start to tank.

Trade these: Ristolainen, Konecny, Andrae and lots of others.

Get: Niemelä and Hirvonen instead of Andrae (I don't believe Andrade is nothing more than mediocre at the end, I've always seen a higher ceiling in Niemelä even if he's weak). Otherwise just get a high pick in upcoming draft and please BRING SOME NEW EUROPEAN SCOUTS TO THIS SH*T OF A FRANCHISE.
Konecny should give something very good. Otherwise, of course don't trade him.
I rather see Vaakanainen than Ristolainen as a bottom pairing for Team Finland so yeah, that says it all. Just trade him for some picks. He's not much more than physique and he lost this offensive touch through the years and he was never that smart in his own zone nor at defending.

In this upcoming draft: Pick some highly touted Americans. Those good creative skaters like Hagens and so on. Or just like the Hutson and Hughes brothers were.
Later on focus on smart European talent as well if possible. There will be prospects like: Mrtka, Osmanis, Benak, Cihar, Chovan, Pobezal, Rimpinen, Westergård, Joki, Hynninen, Vanhanen, Rautiainen, Filimonov.
I wouldn't be mad to see Murtagh from the US as a second round pick if possible. Watched his clips. Poor mans Leonard, does not have his skating.


For the 2026 focus on: Ivar Stenberg, Chrenko, Novotny, Katolicky, Murnieks, Aaram-Olsen, Tomik, Berzkalns, Kähkönen, Nemec, Griva brothers. Vanhatalo, Suvanto, Arkko, Torrki, Laatikainen, Alalauri ,Hemming, Zharovsky, Ivanov, Borin, Gerasimov.
Lots of very good Czechs, Latvians and Finns and a couple of Slovaks in this draft as well. The majority could also end up as second rounders- and later.
Overall the 2026 should have a lot more European talent than the 2025. So I would suggest on having plenty of picks.

2027: Santala.
2028: Karjalahti.

I mean come on, someone in this organization. Do your f*cking job.

 

[FlyerNutter]

They don't f*cking get it. When drafting from NA you should only focus in high scoring players. Nothing against Luchanko as a person but those role players are easily found in the later rounds as well and especially from Europe. Finland produce great fourth line centers etc. Pick those in the last round if you wish. Don't waste the first f*cking pick on a mid6 center or wing.
Imagine there are only two mentionable interesting players in main roster. Michkov and Konecny. Then we have Tuomaala in the AHL who could be a interesting piece but most likely for the top9 and PP2.

I would honestly trade Konecny for high first round picks if possible. Doesn't matter if it gets the team weaker in this upcoming year or the after. We need Hagens more than say Konecny. This team will never be competitive during Konecnys time either if they don't start to tank.

Trade these: Ristolainen, Konecny, Andrae and lots of others.

Get: Niemelä and Hirvonen instead of Andrae (I don't believe Andrade is nothing more than mediocre at the end, I've always seen a higher ceiling in Niemelä even if he's weak). Otherwise just get a high pick in upcoming draft and please BRING SOME NEW EUROPEAN SCOUTS TO THIS SH*T OF A FRANCHISE.
Konecny should give something very good. Otherwise, of course don't trade him.
I rather see Vaakanainen than Ristolainen as a bottom pairing for Team Finland so yeah, that says it all. Just trade him for some picks. He's not much more than physique and he lost this offensive touch through the years and he was never that smart in his own zone nor at defending.

In this upcoming draft: Pick some highly touted Americans. Those good creative skaters like Hagens and so on. Or just like they Hutson and Hughes brothers were.
Later on focus on smart European talent as well if possible. There will be prospects like: Mrtka, Osmanis, Benak, Chovan, Katolicky, Pobezal, Rimpinen, Westergård, Joki, Hynninen, Vanhanen, Rautiainen, Filimonov,

For the 2026 focus on: Ivar Stenberg, Chrenka, Novotny, Murnieks, Aaram-Olsen, Tomik, Cihar, Berzkalns, Kähkönen, Nemec, Griva brothers. Vanhatalo, Suvanto, Arkko, Torrki, Laatikainen, Alalauri ,Hemming, Zharovsky, Ivanov, Borin, Gerasimov.
Lots of very good Czechs, Latvians and Finns and a couple of Slovaks in this draft as well. The majority could also ending up as second rounders- and later.
Overall the 2026 should have a lot more European talent than the 2025. So I would suggesting on having plenty of picks.

2027: Santala.
2028: Karjalahti.

I mean come on, someone in this organization. Do your f*cking job.

The trade TK train was one I was on. For one, I didn’t think he would sustain the level of scoring he has. That’s a credit to him.

The health admittedly I don’t trust. He’s got a style of play a little too similar to Gallagher, Arvidsson that while fun/admirable - is dangerous. Has miles on him already, especially for a guy that’s so reliant on his skating as a base skill.

I like the contract so far but they learned shit from the Couturier deal.

 

[BernieParent]

They don't f*cking get it. When drafting from NA you should only focus in high scoring players. Nothing against Luchanko as a person but those role players are easily found in the later rounds as well and especially from Europe. Finland produce great fourth line centers etc. Pick those in the last round if you wish. Don't waste the first f*cking pick on a mid6 center or wing.
Imagine there are only two mentionable interesting players in main roster. Michkov and Konecny. Then we have Tuomaala in the AHL who could be a interesting piece but most likely for the top9 and PP2.

I would honestly trade Konecny for high first round picks if possible. Doesn't matter if it gets the team weaker in this upcoming year or the after. We need Hagens more than say Konecny. This team will never be competitive during Konecnys time either if they don't start to tank.

Trade these: Ristolainen, Konecny, Andrae and lots of others.

Get: Niemelä and Hirvonen instead of Andrae (I don't believe Andrade is nothing more than mediocre at the end, I've always seen a higher ceiling in Niemelä even if he's weak). Otherwise just get a high pick in upcoming draft and please BRING SOME NEW EUROPEAN SCOUTS TO THIS SH*T OF A FRANCHISE.
Konecny should give something very good. Otherwise, of course don't trade him.
I rather see Vaakanainen than Ristolainen as a bottom pairing for Team Finland so yeah, that says it all. Just trade him for some picks. He's not much more than physique and he lost this offensive touch through the years and he was never that smart in his own zone nor at defending.

In this upcoming draft: Pick some highly touted Americans. Those good creative skaters like Hagens and so on. Or just like they Hutson and Hughes brothers were.
Later on focus on smart European talent as well if possible. There will be prospects like: Mrtka, Osmanis, Benak, Chovan, Katolicky, Pobezal, Rimpinen, Westergård, Joki, Hynninen, Vanhanen, Rautiainen, Filimonov.
I wouldn't be mad to see Murtagh from the US as a second round pick if possible. Watched his clips. Poor mans Leonard, does not have his skating.


For the 2026 focus on: Ivar Stenberg, Chrenka, Novotny, Murnieks, Aaram-Olsen, Tomik, Cihar, Berzkalns, Kähkönen, Nemec, Griva brothers. Vanhatalo, Suvanto, Arkko, Torrki, Laatikainen, Alalauri ,Hemming, Zharovsky, Ivanov, Borin, Gerasimov.
Lots of very good Czechs, Latvians and Finns and a couple of Slovaks in this draft as well. The majority could also ending up as second rounders- and later.
Overall the 2026 should have a lot more European talent than the 2025. So I would suggesting on having plenty of picks.

2027: Santala.
2028: Karjalahti.

I mean come on, someone in this organization. Do your f*cking job.

The Flyers and their talking heads saying that they would not get the same value from picks received by trading Konecny, Ristolainen, etc, are really saying that they a) probably won't maximize trade value with their Super Friends approach and b) are poor at drafting future top-line/pairing players.

 

[deadhead]

The Flyers and their talking heads saying that they would not get the same value from picks received by trading Konecny, Ristolainen, etc, are really saying that they a) probably won't maximize trade value with their Super Friends approach and b) are poor at drafting future top-line/pairing players.

Had they traded TK last summer, they'd probably get less than for Meier, late 1st, late 2nd, "B" prospect.
The standard return for a 1st line but not elite forward. What we got for G more or less, 1st, 3rd and Tippett.

Risto has more value this season than last summer or TDL, the longer he plays at a solid 2nd pair level, the higher his value b/c there's more confidence he can sustain this play and less term on his contract.

Laughton is a 2nd rd pick, to turn him into a 1st rd pick requires taking a bad contract and/or throwing in a 3rd or 4th rd pick (see Walker).

People have an exaggerated idea of what you can get in trades:
Guentzel (TDL) for 2nd, Koivunen (#51-2021), Ponomarev (#53-2020)
Lindholm (TDL) for 1st, 4th,
DeBrincat for 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Seth Jones for 2021 1st rd swap, 2nd, 2022 1st
Mantha for 2021 1st, 2022 2nd, Panik, Vrana
Trouba for 1st and Pionk
Karlsson for 1st (2) 2nds
ROR for 2019 1st, 2021 2nd, Tage Thompson (#30)

 

[freakydallas13]

Had they traded TK last summer, they'd probably get less than for Meier, late 1st, late 2nd, "B" prospect.
The standard return for a 1st line but not elite forward. What we got for G more or less, 1st, 3rd and Tippett.

Risto has more value this season than last summer or TDL, the longer he plays at a solid 2nd pair level, the higher his value b/c there's more confidence he can sustain this play and less term on his contract.

Laughton is a 2nd rd pick, to turn him into a 1st rd pick requires taking a bad contract and/or throwing in a 3rd or 4th rd pick (see Walker).

People have an exaggerated idea of what you can get in trades:
Guentzel (TDL) for 2nd, Koivunen (#51-2021), Ponomarev (#53-2020)
Lindholm (TDL) for 1st, 4th,
DeBrincat for 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Seth Jones for 2021 1st rd swap, 2nd, 2022 1st
Mantha for 2021 1st, 2022 2nd, Panik, Vrana
Trouba for 1st and Pionk
Karlsson for 1st (2) 2nds
ROR for 2019 1st, 2021 2nd, Tage Thompson (#30)

One the one hand, the future of this team is dependant on this upcoming draft and the 3 mid to late first round picks the team has.

One the other hand, trading our players who are too old to line up with the rebuild for mid to late first round picks is worthless and not worth considering.

A conundrum if I ever saw one.