Post-Game Talk: Jets win a score fest

[HannuJ]

Scheifele is a -1 but he also has 21 points so far this year. Too me though just go back and see how absolutely horrible we are at creating offense without Scheifele. Scheifele isn't a fast skater but he is great at lifting guys sticks and stealing a puck also has great hand eye coordination. He also has a great shot and can pass the puck, being a center also makes him invaluable to this team.

Scheifele's had a lot of good O zone pressure. some nice strips and almost-strips yesterday.
his knock is, of course, his play in our zone. and i think i'd also include his ability to get the puck OUT of our zone.

Ehlers is our best player. checks so many boxes. a bit better in our zone than Scheifele and better in zone entry and in the neutral zone.
if we had to choose 1 player for the All-Star (imaginary) game, it would be Ehlers. he is getting close to superstar level. not there yet, but he's at the point where he's almost a difference maker on every shift. he's dominant.

 

[Do or Die]

Hockey game are like art. Some games are a Rembrandt, others look like a starving artists sale.

 

[Gm0ney]

I don't think the Jets are as concerned with burning an ELC year as some would say. I think it's more about Heinola's stamina and strength, as well as lack of NA pro experience.

Oh no, it's definitely the money/ELC slide. They save $762,000 by keeping him off the Jets' roster. The Jets are losing money hand over fist this year.

 

[Jet]

Oh no, it's definitely the money/ELC slide. They save $762,000 by keeping him off the Jets' roster. The Jets are losing money hand over fist this year.

Wouldn't putting Beau on the taxi squad and bringing up Heinola mitigate that?

 

[SUX2BU]

Once PLD fets his legs back and finds chemistry, scoring (hopefully), I would seriously folks, offer Scheifele to the Oilers for RN-H! This team will not survive enough games to be division leaders and Playoffs dominant with our 2 "leaders" efforts and defensive zone "Not-give-a-_hit" ?play. Close to useless at critical times every game! With our defense , this cannot continue if ultimate winning more is the goal!

 

[DannyGallivan]

The only thing missing is an exclamation point.

 

[Gm0ney]

Wouldn't putting Beau on the taxi squad and bringing up Heinola mitigate that?

No, Beaulieu's on a one-way deal. He gets paid $1.25M whether he's on the taxi squad or not. Vesalainen's the only other guy on the Jets' roster on a two-way deal, so as soon as Thompson's off the IR, I'd expect him to head back to the taxi squad. I'm pretty sure that's why Stanley got demoted even after showing well. The team is in dire financial straits - they've got $72.5M in salary to pay and they're missing out on $50M-$70M in revenue from ticket sales, concessions, playoffs, etc.

 

[Jet]

No, Beaulieu's on a one-way deal. He gets paid $1.25M whether he's on the taxi squad or not. Vesalainen's the only other guy on the Jets' roster on a two-way deal, so as soon as Thompson's off the IR, I'd expect him to head back to the taxi squad. I'm pretty sure that's why Stanley got demoted even after showing well. The team is in dire financial straits - they've got $72.5M in salary to pay and they're missing out on $50M-$70M in revenue from ticket sales, concessions, playoffs, etc.

The whole league is in this predicament - no? Have we heard anything about how the league is helping teams through this?

 

[The Blue Baron]

I think that the D core is holding the team back from being good.
Signing D is the coaching staff's job?

The point is the system has been crap for years and no signs of improvement regardless of the talent. If you can’t see that I can’t help you.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Lowry's fight did nothing. there is no cause and effect.
having your #3 centre in the penalty box for 5 minutes is not a net positive.
having your lockdown centre in the penalty box for 5 minutes is not a net positive.
The Oilers tied the game. They didn't get into a fight first and then tie the game. Fights do not result in a team scoring.
Punching someone in the face, in this day and age, when we know the long-term brain damage it causes, is nothing that any of us should be encouraging.
the goal of hockey is to score and to prevent goals in your net. fighting does neither.
teams are no longer drafting players based on their ability to punch someone in the face.
The Jets' 2 most value players are their scoring winger and their goalie. neither of them punch people in the face.
you do not build a franchise around a face puncher.

Did i explain it well enough?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

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Thanks for that Rubiks -- I've always said that Lowry is one of the top 4 toughest guys in the league. Too bad he doesn't have more of a mean streak, because when he fights, the team gets pumped up.

When he fought Ryan Reeves, I thought he slightly got the better of that as well. Nice to have him on the Jets.

I'm happy with him fighting rarely but well.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

All this talk from fans saying "Neal Pionk and next year's 1st for"... this guy, or that guy. C'mon people. He's Jets best competitor Dman who can actually make plays!! After tonight's game, if I was Chevy, I would be calling Pionk's agent and start talking serious re-signing now!
McDavid and 2 referees against him all night, and...Jets win, Pionk won!!
And then that hit on Draisaitl. Beauty! Don Cherry would be giving him a "warrior medal" for sure. Keep Pionk and offer up somebody else.
Or, start over all over again.

Copp will rebound. Putting him Scheifele and no Ehlers is an adjustment. Scheifele and Wheeler's defensive coverage, own-zoneplay are more atrotious as each new series of games begins! At least they are producing.

It isn't about under-appreciating Pionk. Just the opposite in fact. You have to give to get and if we want to pry a really good RHD from some team it is a lot easier if we can offer them an adequate replacement. Especially if that replacement also saves them a little cap.

From our POV, if we get a true #1 RHD in the deal, Pionk becomes expendable. Not worthless, just expendable.

So Pionk + whatever for a real upgrade at the position makes sense. But only if the return really is an upgrade on Pionk.

The more good play we see from Pionk, the better value he brings to that situation, the better the 1RHD we get in return.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Once PLD fets his legs back and finds chemistry, scoring (hopefully), I would seriously folks, offer Scheifele to the Oilers for RN-H! This team will not survive enough games to be division leaders and Playoffs dominant with our 2 "leaders" efforts and defensive zone "Not-give-a-_hit" ?play. Close to useless at critical times every game! With our defense , this cannot continue if ultimate winning more is the goal!

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard, and I'm a psychiatrist.

 

[10Ducky10]

if we had to choose 1 player for the All-Star (imaginary) game, it would be Ehlers. he is getting close to superstar level. not there yet, but he's at the point where he's almost a difference maker on every shift. he's dominant.

You spelled Hellebuyck wrong.

 

[scelaton]

It isn't about under-appreciating Pionk. Just the opposite in fact. You have to give to get and if we want to pry a really good RHD from some team it is a lot easier if we can offer them an adequate replacement. Especially if that replacement also saves them a little cap.

From our POV, if we get a true #1 RHD in the deal, Pionk becomes expendable. Not worthless, just expendable.

So Pionk + whatever for a real upgrade at the position makes sense. But only if the return really is an upgrade on Pionk.

The more good play we see from Pionk, the better value he brings to that situation, the better the 1RHD we get in return.

It just doesn't make a lot of sense conceptually.
Normally, you trade from a position of strength to fill a weakness. RHD is our weakest position and Pionk is the best of 'em.
Similarly, the other team would trade a player from a position of strength to fill a weakness, so they wouldn't jump to trade a RHD just to get one back.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I disagree. They have RNH and JP, Yamamoto. They are somewhat behind us in forward talent depth but their high end beats us.

Their D is shaping up to be really good. Bear and Bouchard are legit, they have Nurse and Larsson, and Klef is hurt which people forget.

Their goaltending is definitely suspect, but the team is better than you are giving them credit for.

Their goaltending is worse than suspect. It is just plain bad. Smith is about to turn 39 and has been bad for the past 2 years. He gave them 2 good games before the real Mike Smith showed up last night.

Their D has improved a lot and they are slowly building up the rest of their forwards after the big 2. If they had our goaltending, they would probably be fighting it out with TML for 1st in this Div.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I'd say that for pure offensive ability Ehlers and Connor might be the best you have, but Scheifele and Wheeler are the more complete forwards - as they should be at this stage of their careers. If there was, say a healthy Byfuglien on that blueline, the Jets would be in a really (really) good position.

There would also be a cap problem.
I've thought about who we wouldn't have if Buff had played his contract out.

 

[Gm0ney]

The whole league is in this predicament - no? Have we heard anything about how the league is helping teams through this?

Escrow is 20% this year - and I don't think the players will ever see any of it back. So there's $14.5M savings for the Jets. On top of that, 10% of player salaries for this season are deferred into the future. $7.25M in savings this year for the Jets. That just leaves them on the hook for $50,767,500 USD - but I don't know what revenues are like. TV deals, national and local. Whatever CJOB coughed up for the radio rights. Sponsorship deals (rink board and seat cover ads, etc.). Merchandise. I doubt all that adds up to enough.

 

[Jet]

Escrow is 20% this year - and I don't think the players will ever see any of it back. So there's $14.5M savings for the Jets. On top of that, 10% of player salaries for this season are deferred into the future. $7.25M in savings this year for the Jets. That just leaves them on the hook for $50,767,500 USD - but I don't know what revenues are like. TV deals, national and local. Whatever CJOB coughed up for the radio rights. Sponsorship deals (rink board and seat cover ads, etc.). Merchandise. I doubt all that adds up to enough.

Well the good news is that TNSE built up quite the rainy day fund - lots of profits through their first 8 seasons.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not even close imo.
55 is much better.

I think Scheifele has been trying to play better in his own end this year. But Niko is still our best forward, even if he doesn't play C. And I'm tempted to agree with you that it isn't even close, but I won't go quite that far.

That said though, we would miss Scheifele a lot more if he was injured. Look at the play-in to see the effect. So Scheif is our most important player (after Helle). But once PLD gets playing at full strength that situation should change. Even with just having Stastny it would not be as serious now as it was losing him then.

 

[SUX2BU]

Eels should have mixed it up with Barrie for old time sakes .....

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I still think the Jets should have acquired Jesse Puljujarvi when everyone was crapping on him. I see a big guy, that's a good skater, with decent hands, and I believe he'll turn out to be a good NHL'r.

Everyone was crapping on him but apparently Oilers were not willing to sell him cheaply. So no, we should not have acquired him.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

His current form might not be the best of his career, but as a player I'd still say he's got all the tools to be a complete player.

In theory this is true but so far this year he looks nothing like the player he was.
The thing that made Wheeler so special was his gas tank / engine / drive and determination.
He's lost more than a step and for the most part he loses most of his board battles or avoids them completely.
He was such a big play driver and ice tilter and now he struggles to gain and maintain the puck.
He still has some "street smarts" and can pass well when he has time and space.
He used to carry other people... hell he carried the team.
Now it looks like he's the one who needs help from others.
His instinct is to dump and chase but he's not that great at chasing anymore and rarely is the one to retrieve the puck.

That speaks to holes in his game from his decline not to him being a complete player.
Wheeler from a few years ago would be steering this team to a division title quite likely.

 

[Teemusalami204]

There would also be a cap problem.
I've thought about who we wouldn't have if Buff had played his contract out.

If buff and little both played this year we would be absolutely worse off then we are now. And that was the plan. It’s weird how this gets forgotten.

Buff and little situations have made chevys job a lot easier IMO. I would say saved chevys job but it’s not going to be in danger for a long time

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

When you consider Goaltending, and offensive firepower, the Jets are just as good as Toronto, or Montreal, and I think slightly better when PLD slots in and gets rolling.

Yes - and no. The way we give up boatloads of shots, and high danger scoring chances won't just disappear when Dubois gets up to speed.

It is our D corps but also our defensively challenged forwards. Mostly the D though.

I believe part of the D problem is the way they are being used. Morrissey and DeMelo were good together. Apart, both are disappointing. Forbort has cooled off lately but I think he will recover somewhat. Good enough to be a placeholder, but that's all. But swap DeMelo and Poolman and I think our D is adequate. Just.