Prospect Info: Jets Prospects
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The Top 10 from Last August's HFJets forum poll:
1 - Lambert
2 - Salomonsson
3 - Yager
4 - Heinola
5 - Barlow
6 - Chibrikov
7 - Lucius
8 - Freij
9 - Rashevsky
10 - Milic
As of today, IMO:
1 - Chibrikov
2 - Salomonsson
3 - Lambert
4 - Walton
5 - Yager
6 - He
7 - Lucius
8 - Freij
9 - Barlow
10 - DiVincentiis
Chibrikov and Lambert both played a few games during Ehlers' injury. Chibrikov in particular looked pretty good - fiesty & skilled.
Salomonsson has been injured but seemed like a rare bright spot on the Moose D this year - good showing for a 1st year NA pro.
Walton & He are both having ridiculous seasons in the OHL. Walton's got the size and skill - even if it was only shown in flashes last year - that makes us wonder how he fell so far in the draft.
Yager is pretty good - he just inherited McGroarty's spot since that trade happened halfway through the polls last summer. If he keeps up his pace in Lethbridge the rest of the way he's bound to move back up.
Lucius' injury history is troubling but he's played for a stretch in the AHL and is starting to come around. Obvious skill, just injury concerns (and so much missed development time) holding him back.
Freij - seems to be having a respectable D+1 in the league below the SHL.
Barlow is having a(nother) tough year.
DiVincentiis has been having a better season than Milic. I don't really think the Jets have anything but longshot backups in the pipe. Long live Hellebuyck.
Heinola has graduated, and I don't think Rashevsky is ever going to come over.
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Scout's Analysis: An updated look at how 2024 NHL Draft prospects are faring
With the world juniors in the rearview, Jason Bukala provides an update on how players selected at the 2024 NHL Draft are faring so far this season.
He and Walton highlighted.
Scout's Analysis: An updated look at how 2024 NHL Draft prospects are faring
With the world juniors in the rearview, Jason Bukala provides an update on how players selected at the 2024 NHL Draft are faring so far this season.www.sportsnet.ca
He and Walton highlighted.
Thanks for this -- interesting read.
Struck by these notes about Walton: "Walton’s skating has gone to another level this season and the results speak for themselves [he] has fantastic touch, pucks are on and off his stick in a hurry."
Improved skating and mobility seem crucial for NHL success, but the comment on just how good his first touch is pointed to another reason for his elevated totals this season -- Walton plays fast, which seems exactly suited to the Jets playstyle this year and hopefully going forward.
Nice writeup on He also -- hard to believe that He's only 5'11'' ad 185, given his skating and forechecking power. Two or more impact players out of a thin draft (for the Jets, given their number or picks) would be a serious jolt for the pipeline.
He and Walton both have solid NHL potential. They also provide a classic prospect assessment issue. Walton appears to have a higher ceiling but He seems more likely to hit his ceiling.
For Walton I think it's all about how hard and consistently he's willing to work to improve. With his size and skillset, his ceiling is high.
For me:
Salomonsson
Walton
Chibrikov
Yager
Lambert
He
Freij
Lucius
Barlow
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I'm still leery of Lucius' injury history. I need to see him survive a lot longer than he has so far.
I'm not that down on Barlow, but for now, others have passed him.
Freij is only that low because he hasn't come to NA and succeeded here yet. I expect him to climb fairly quickly but time will tell.
I still have high hopes for DD but his sv% in the ECHL is nothing special. He still has 2-3 years to develop.
Lambert still has quite a way to go. Its a little hard to judge with the Moose being so bad this year but he is one of the players who should be leading them to better results if he is truly a top 6 prospect.
Chibrikov showed well in his few NHL games but he hasn't been as good as hoped in the AHL this year either.
Salomonsson and Yager are my untouchables right now.
Salomonsson
Yager
Chibrikov
Walton
Lambert
He
Freij
Barlow
Divincentiis
Lucius
I'm not that down on Barlow, but for now, others have passed him.
Freij is only that low because he hasn't come to NA and succeeded here yet. I expect him to climb fairly quickly but time will tell.
I still have high hopes for DD but his sv% in the ECHL is nothing special. He still has 2-3 years to develop.
Lambert still has quite a way to go. Its a little hard to judge with the Moose being so bad this year but he is one of the players who should be leading them to better results if he is truly a top 6 prospect.
Chibrikov showed well in his few NHL games but he hasn't been as good as hoped in the AHL this year either.
Salomonsson and Yager are my untouchables right now.
Salomonsson
Yager
Chibrikov
Walton
Lambert
He
Freij
Barlow
Divincentiis
Lucius
Huffer
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Might be wishful / positive thinking, but for some reason the fact that Lambert and Chibrikov looked decent in their albeit short stints with the Jets, but haven't put up much offense with the Moose gives me some hope that it's more a reflection on the Moose then those players.
Which then gives me a little more hope for Lucius as well.
Which then gives me a little more hope for Lucius as well.
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There's one wildcard still with Zach Nehring, he's a big boy at 6'5" and seems to be developing nicely on a good Western Michigan team. Sixth on the team in points, currently riding a 3 game point streak, likes to muck it up in front of the net and on the boards. I don't know if he'll be an NHL player but the size and playstyle is encouraging. He gets time on the power play and parks himself in the slot, good at getting his stick on pucks and mucking it up in front of the net. Knows how to maneuver his big frame to get body position. I don't know where he ranks among our prospects, he'll spend another year in college at least, but he's an interesting player.
His shot is for real,the truth is in the numbers,his release is top shelf.
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And remember when we re-signed Helle and Scheifele and everyone laughed at us because we should be rebuilding. Love or hate Chevy in some of his decisions, but this team is built for long term success.
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I appreciate Walton's progress this year but to put him ahead of Team Canada's U20 captain after half a season is premature IMHO
Salomonsson
Yager
Lambert
Chibs
Walton
He
DD
Friej
Lucius
Barlow
Hopefully Friej makes his way to the moose next season. I have a feeling we're sleeping on him a bit
Salomonsson
Yager
Lambert
Chibs
Walton
He
DD
Friej
Lucius
Barlow
Hopefully Friej makes his way to the moose next season. I have a feeling we're sleeping on him a bit
It appears I'm in the minority here but also pretty comfortable letting this one stand the test of time.
Everyone's criteria ranking these guys is different so I don't want to get too scientific about it.
I am ranking them on their likely impact one day and it just seems like Walton ceiling is so much higher than Yager right now from my POV
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That's not what happened. All indications were that Scheifele and Helle were not going to extend here. If, and only if, that was the case then Jets should have gone into rebuild after trading those 2.
Do you mean fans of other teams were laughing? I was not aware of any of that.
Whether or not we are built for long term success depends on how long Scheif and Helle can remain at their present level of play. Should be good for another year or two, at least.
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I still think Yager's #1 because it's likely IMO he becomes a 2C before Salomonsson becomes a top 4 NHL D. That would be the way I saw TC.
Also He's 3 point night vs. Walton's 0 head to head, maybe He's still ahead of him, like TC. And the draft.
Barlow/Walton to me are close. There's some work for both to do to get to the next level.
Buffdog
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I guess if you're basing it on potential ceilings, then maybe
Not sure how much you know about Yager...
For a long time he was projected as a top 5 pick until his production dipped during his draft year
He won CHL rookie of the year (same year as Bedard was a rookie)
In his D+1 season, he put up 1.67 points per game while playing a solid 2-way pro style
I'm not sure why you'd have Walton ahead of him other than he's the shinier, newer toy. Or maybe it's the underdog effect of him being a late round pick
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I'd swap Chibs and Lambert. He is a year older and seems more ready. Lambert was OK in his Jets games but still looked like needing more development. Chibs fit right in. Could have stayed if there had been room.
I think Freij is flying under the radar playing in Sweden. He is still too far away to make any firm predictions but I think he becomes a top 4 Dman eventually.
There is always a tendency to focus on recent trends with prospects, and Walton and He are on a heater this season. But all top prospects have had their moments and it's a bit hard to rank.
So it makes sense to look at longer timelines. Lambert dipped in his draft year, but has jumped back up since. Similarly, Salomonsson was a highly touted prospect in his D-1 season but sank in his draft year. Since then he's rocketed back up and looks like he should have gone much higher in his draft.
That's why I'm a bit reluctant to move prospects up or down too quickly. Walton and He deserve a bump, but we need them to show this level for a longer time period, in my view.
The hardest reads for me might be Barlow and Lucius. They had stretches of top-end performance, but injuries stalled both of them (especially Lucius), and it's hard to know if Barlow will rebound from his stall this past year.
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This is pretty close to how I’d rank the top ten as well. I’d swap Yags and Salmon but that’s about it.
I'll take a guy with high end tools that makes a huge leap over a guy who is showing steadier, more leveled off progress. Just prefer that as a better indicator of upside than consistency from age D-1 to D+2. A sharp upwards trajectory is pretty much the best green flag there is in prospects. Especially after their draft year.
Walton is outscoring Yager this year as a younger player. He is bigger, faster and is showing he may have more room to grow still.
Yager looks like a solid NHLer but nothing special to me. If Walton himself levels off next year then it's a different discussion.
What's happening this year means so much compared to long sample sizes you want from pros to evaluate.
To me evaluating off a realistic ceiling is the only way to do it. What good is evaluating a floor if it's a 3rd/4th liner vs AHLer? You can get these types in trade or FA every year.
It's not like I'm anti Yager, I just don't think his profile makes him the sure fire 2C we seem to be pegging him as out of NHL club need. I sure hope he is. Even a guy like Bryan Little was a higher scorer and made the NHL earlier than Yager.
If that makes me guilty of shiny new toy syndrome or underdog syndrome? So be it... I'm trying to go off of what I know, and not rely on accolades like CHL Rookie of the Year or Team Canada's U-20 captain to gauge what i think he will be one day.
I probably rate it
Jager
He
Barlow
Walton
For the ones not in pro,I have barlow ahead of walton because he has an nhl shot and doesn't get moved from the Puck,but kevin he plays with to many attributes to be denied an nhl job.
Jager
He
Barlow
Walton
For the ones not in pro,I have barlow ahead of walton because he has an nhl shot and doesn't get moved from the Puck,but kevin he plays with to many attributes to be denied an nhl job.
The season's not over but ranking Jets prospects' D+1 seasons over the recent past by NHLe points/game:
1. Lambert 0.451
2. Chibrikov 0.306
3. Perfetti 0.301
4. Walton 0.255*
5. Yager 0.235
6. Heinola 0.218
7. He 0.199*
8. Rashevsky 0.173
9. Barlow 0.167
10. Lucius 0.154
* D+1 season not yet complete
1. Lambert 0.451
2. Chibrikov 0.306
3. Perfetti 0.301
4. Walton 0.255*
5. Yager 0.235
6. Heinola 0.218
7. He 0.199*
8. Rashevsky 0.173
9. Barlow 0.167
10. Lucius 0.154
* D+1 season not yet complete
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