Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[JetsFan815]

Id temper expectation on Salomonsson for a bit. Dmen take time as is and he's not really taking the SHL by storm.

D production is highly dependent on PP usage and he gets no PP mins. Last I checked he led the team on 5 on 5 P/60 sometime in December. A d-man isn't gonna put up flashy numbers unless they are on the PP.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

LMFAO!

It's official. He's a head case.

We need a back up goalie as I can see Bro pricing himself out considering how cap heavy we are.

I can see Bro moving on simply because he now realizes there is no starting job to be had here in his lifetime.

 

[10Ducky10]

If LB's play keeps up, he will have earned a starter's job.
Buffalo comes to mind...something like 10m over 3 years.

 

[hardystar]

10 Ducky10's message made me think...

I wonder if we can get a trade with comrie and mittlestadt coming back to us and we send over LB with a prospect or so. Things that make you go hmmm...

The only thing is that before we trade LB we need him to start him for 5 or 6 games to give Bucky a bit of a longer break.

 

[KingBogo]

10 Ducky10's message made me think...

I wonder if we can get a trade with comrie and mittlestadt coming back to us and we send over LB with a prospect or so. Things that make you go hmmm...

The only thing is that before we trade LB we need him to start him for 5 or 6 games to give Bucky a bit of a longer break.

Buffalo is pretty much out of playoff contention so I’m not sure a pending UFA goalie has much appeal. McGroarty is probably the only prospect that gets the conversation started and we would have to add to that. I’d be a hard no on this.

 

[ello]

SHL production for D-men is wonky. Karlsson put up 10 points in 45 games 3 seasons before he exploded into one of the best offensive D-men in NHL history.

Not arguing against you, just adding that in.

No that's fair. Karlsson did have 9 points in 6 WJC games, but point taken. I guess I just don't personally see an NHL ready player in him yet

 

[Thechozen1]

As of now I am skeptical that Salomonsson’s offensive game will develop more than that of a 30 point defenseman.

Will have to see how he transitions to North America, but excitement over his potential is definitely tempered.

 

[Whileee]

As of now I am skeptical that Salomonsson’s offensive game will develop more than that of a 30 point defenseman.

Will have to see how he transitions to North America, but excitement over his potential is definitely tempered.

He might not end up being a high scoring D, but I think he'll be a very good defensive D that can chip in some offense.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

He might not end up being a high scoring D, but I think he'll be a very good defensive D that can chip in some offense.

I think he can be similar to Hampus Lindholm type of D man

 

[10Ducky10]

I think he can be similar to Hampus Lindholm type of D man

I'd be more than happy having a right handed Hampus Lindholm on our D.

 

[Whileee]

I think he can be similar to Hampus Lindholm type of D man

That would be outstanding. Maybe somewhere between Larsson and Lindholm in terms of style. Plays a pretty abrasive game, but not as physical as Larsson. Great skater and has some offense, but maybe not as polished as Lindholm. As with any defenseman, his point production will depend largely on how much PP usage he gets. I think he can play on a PP2 eventually. Might also be good on the PK.

Overall, he just seems tailor-made for the Jets current style - rapid retrievals and get the puck moving quickly, and D jumping into transition aggressively and activating in the defensive zone.

I could see him being really effective beside a LD like Morrissey/Heinola or Samberg. With an offensive D, Salomonsson can provide really strong defensive coverage. With a more defensive D like Samberg, Salomonsson has the wheels and mindset to constantly join the rush.

I'd note that he has a really good shot.

Hard to see him "miss" as a solid NHLer, based on his progress to date.

 

[Flair Hay]

As of now I am skeptical that Salomonsson’s offensive game will develop more than that of a 30 point defenseman.

Will have to see how he transitions to North America, but excitement over his potential is definitely tempered.

The beauty of that is sometimes a 30 point defenseman is way more valuable than a 50 point defenseman and the best part is they get paid half as much.

Heck, look at Samberg/DeMelo and Pionk on our team.

 

[Whileee]

Posted on Twitter by Aavco Cup. Remember, Salomonsson is one of the youngest D in the SHL. He is a factor in every shift, and dominates quite a few of his shifts.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Look at Sambergs game. A very reliable big shutdown D man. Samberg was not as polished as Salo is at the same age and I think next year Salo plays 1 year in the AHL and then challenges for a spot. Wouldn't shock me to see them play him with Morrissey at that time.

Samberg is going to be a 20+ point 15 to 20 minute a night guy in the top 4 for us for a very long time. People hate plus/minus as a stat but Samberg with us has always been a plus player

 

[surixon]

That would be outstanding. Maybe somewhere between Larsson and Lindholm in terms of style. Plays a pretty abrasive game, but not as physical as Larsson. Great skater and has some offense, but maybe not as polished as Lindholm. As with any defenseman, his point production will depend largely on how much PP usage he gets. I think he can play on a PP2 eventually. Might also be good on the PK.

Overall, he just seems tailor-made for the Jets current style - rapid retrievals and get the puck moving quickly, and D jumping into transition aggressively and activating in the defensive zone.

I could see him being really effective beside a LD like Morrissey/Heinola or Samberg. With an offensive D, Salomonsson can provide really strong defensive coverage. With a more defensive D like Samberg, Salomonsson has the wheels and mindset to constantly join the rush.

I'd note that he has a really good shot.

Hard to see him "miss" as a solid NHLer, based on his progress to date.

Yeah I like the potential blend we have with the 4 you mentioned.

 

[Weezeric]

The Jets prospect pool is looking surprisingly good despite not having any top 10 picks recently.

 

[Gm0ney]

It's kind of a different prospect pool for the Jets, compared to previously. Historically, they've tended to have a dynamite prospect (Trouba, Morrissey, Ehlers, Connor, Laine), and a few others that might make it as solid players (Copp, Appleton, etc.).

The current prospect pool might not have any with the same "star" projection, but there's a bunch that could fit into a strong middle-6 of an NHL line-up, creating a lot of depth and quality. That's sort of the signature of the Jets' line-up now - quality depth. It's more reminiscent of the Dallas Stars prospect pipeline over the past several years.

Isn't that kind of a function of draft position? Trouba, Ehlers and Laine were all Top 10 picks, and Connor should've been a Top 10 pick. Now our top picks are more solidly mid- and late-1st rounders...Perfetti being the only Top 10 pick in the 7 drafts since Laine.

 

[buggs]

Samberg is going to be a 20+ point 15 to 20 minute a night guy in the top 4 for us for a very long time. People hate plus/minus as a stat but Samberg with us has always been a plus player

Random thought, unrelated to prospects, that jumped into my head.

You mentioned +/- and most of us operate under the impression that it has limited value as a statistic of meaning. But is that true of defensemen?

When I think about +/- I think about the forward making a line change that is on the ice or one that just comes on the ice when the other team scores. They're not in the play but they are given a -1 for being on the ice. That's where some of the limit of the value of the measure is in my mind.

But is that true of a D? They don't tend to change when the puck is coming into our zone so never really have that opportunity to not be involved in the play when scoring occurs. Obviously it can happen in odd ways and so it's not impossible, just less likely than a forward.

I guess my question is has anyone looked closely at the measure and separated it out for D vs. F?

Statistical measures are rarely ever as straightforward as we like so I wonder if there's some nuance there that someone may be able to be more informative about @garret9

 

[Atoyot]

Looks like Wagner has been loaned to Almtuna in Allsvenskan, Hopefully gets some ice time there, not a bad place to be for a 19 year old.

 

[Gm0ney]

Random thought, unrelated to prospects, that jumped into my head.

You mentioned +/- and most of us operate under the impression that it has limited value as a statistic of meaning. But is that true of defensemen?

When I think about +/- I think about the forward making a line change that is on the ice or one that just comes on the ice when the other team scores. They're not in the play but they are given a -1 for being on the ice. That's where some of the limit of the value of the measure is in my mind.

But is that true of a D? They don't tend to change when the puck is coming into our zone so never really have that opportunity to not be involved in the play when scoring occurs. Obviously it can happen in odd ways and so it's not impossible, just less likely than a forward.

I guess my question is has anyone looked closely at the measure and separated it out for D vs. F?

Statistical measures are rarely ever as straightforward as we like so I wonder if there's some nuance there that someone may be able to be more informative about @garret9

I think it's the arbitrary nature of whether a goal counts or not in standard +/- that makes it such a maligned stat.

It tends to punish offensive players and reward defensive players the way goals are counted (e.g. PP players can only earn minuses, PK players can only earn pluses).

You can't really just look at +/- with no other context and make an accurate judgement of a player.

 

[Atoyot]

I think it's the arbitrary nature of whether a goal counts or not in standard +/- that makes it such a maligned stat.

It tends to punish offensive players and reward defensive players the way goals are counted (e.g. PP players can only earn minuses, PK players can only earn pluses).

You can't really just look at +/- with no other context and make an accurate judgement of a player.

Another thing is that there isn't anything that +/- can tell you that 5v5 +/- doesn't tell you more accurately. There's no reason for empty net and shorthanded goals to be included, they just add noise, and figuring out 5v5 +/- is easy.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Buffalo is pretty much out of playoff contention so I’m not sure a pending UFA goalie has much appeal. McGroarty is probably the only prospect that gets the conversation started and we would have to add to that. I’d be a hard no on this.

I don't agree that McG is the only convo starter, but the price would be high. McG is untouchable IMO.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

As of now I am skeptical that Salomonsson’s offensive game will develop more than that of a 30 point defenseman.

Will have to see how he transitions to North America, but excitement over his potential is definitely tempered.

I don't see why it takes more than 30 pt production to justify getting excited about a Dman. I want a big, physical D first Dman who can defend the rush and gain possession in our zone and move it out. That could be as little as passing it to Morrissey and relying on him to move the puck. Anything beyond that is pure bonus. Give me a younger, quicker, RHS Dillon.

 

[JetsFan815]

I don't agree that McG is the only convo starter, but the price would be high. McG is untouchable IMO.

Yeah if Buffalo is serious about trading Mittlestadt I doubt they'd get a more high end piece back than Rutger, they would jump at it instead it merely being a conversation starter... of course the Jets probably have no intention of moving him. Nik from TopLyneMedia said that last year when Chychrun was available the Jets kicked tires on him but the Coyotes wanted McGroarty which ended those conversation. If they were not willing to move him for a star like Chychrun with 3 years of team control... doubt they do it for anyone else realistic.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Look at Sambergs game. A very reliable big shutdown D man. Samberg was not as polished as Salo is at the same age and I think next year Salo plays 1 year in the AHL and then challenges for a spot. Wouldn't shock me to see them play him with Morrissey at that time.

Samberg is going to be a 20+ point 15 to 20 minute a night guy in the top 4 for us for a very long time. People hate plus/minus as a stat but Samberg with us has always been a plus player

In that shift by shift video above your post he looks very much NHL ready now (to me, FWIW). That isn't a highlight reel. It is shift by shift.

He will need to adjust to the smaller ice surface and the time and space. I doubt that takes a whole season but that varies a lot from player to player so you never know.