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HawkeyTalkMan said:
Aside from the actual pieces of the trade being terrible, WPG is a budget team and much like Anaheim, has stated numerous times they have an internal budget

Adding $10 mil in cap with Girardi and McD is not something they are interested in
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We're not a budget team and have never claimed to be. People who don't know our team may have told you that, but ownership is on record saying they have no problem spending to the cap for a contending roster.

Kinda tired of the "little engine that can't afford to" narrative. We have thousands lined up to pay through the nose for season tickets and the richest owner in sports. All sports. Worldwide.
 
HawkeyTalkMan said:
Aside from the actual pieces of the trade being terrible, WPG is a budget team and much like Anaheim, has stated numerous times they have an internal budget
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While the trade proposal in this thread is terrible, so is your comment that Winnipeg is a budget team. That comment is utter nonsense in fact. They are not a budget team, and have never really claimed to be one, contrary to your assertion.

Here is a radio interview with the owner, from a few months ago.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/chipman-we-ve-got-right-people-executing-the-plan-1.472111

Their expenditures have always been based-upon their forward contractual obligations. Their obligations are now growing as players on their young roster have begun to hit RFA status, and their spending is now increasing to meet those obligations, FYI.
 
Moving McDonagh makes little sense for NYR, even if the return is Trouba. I'm not saying the original proposal doesn't favor NY either, because it does, but NYR have no one behind McD on the left side.

Could something around Kreider and Trouba be worked? I know NY needs to add, the question is how much.
 
obviously, the only productive conversation to be had here is McD + Trouba as core of a deal, maybe only fringe add ons.

back to the drawing board OP, live and learn.

yeah, close thread\
 
HawkeyTalkMan said:
Aside from the actual pieces of the trade being terrible, WPG is a budget team and much like Anaheim, has stated numerous times they have an internal budget

Adding $10 mil in cap with Girardi and McD is not something they are interested in
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It's actually been stated numerous times that they don't and that the reason they've been spending so conservative is to keep cap space for when the time is right with our prospects. We're 8 mil below the cap right now and haven't signed trouba yet
 
ellismate said:
It's actually been stated numerous times that they don't and that the reason they've been spending so conservative is to keep cap space for when the time is right with our prospects. We're 8 mil below the cap right now and haven't signed trouba yet
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Capfriendly says $10,018,333 below the cap currently with Scheifele already paid. Only big deal to be made is with Trouba currently, and then Stafford's $4,350,000 is likely gone after next season either by the TDL or he potentially walks. Thorburn's likely done as well when his contract is up and that's another $1,200,000 after the upcoming season. Then you have Pavelec's $3,900,000 which is almost certainly to be gone after next season. This leaves Dano, Hellebuyck, Copp and Burmistrov to re-up the following year should we not lose any of them to Vegas.

So we're likely parting with $9,450,000 from Stafford, Thorburn and Pavs by next off season with the guys up for renewal being Burmistrov, Copp, Postma, Chiarot, Dano, Kosmachuk, Hellebuyck, Howden, and Olsen. All of them are depth right now with Dano and Hellebuyck being the only ones with a good upside. It's the following years off season that we have some interesting decisions to make with Little, Lowry, Armia, Ehlers, Enstrom, Stuart (probably retires $2,625,000 AAV), and then from our current farm we have decisions to make on the futures of Morrissey, Petan, De Leo, Kostalek, Phillips, Lodge, Comrie, Melchiori, and Blomqvist assuming Vegas doesn't poach any of them. That will be the year we need to have cap space the most as we might still need guys like Little or Enstrom and Ehlers will surely command a raise as well as Morrissey and Comrie should they continue improving. Who knows what happens to the rest of that depth? The following year you have Wheeler, Laine, Connor, Myers, and Lemieux up for new contracts.

I hope that some people can begin to grasp the reasoning behind why the Jets aren't spending to the cap right now and why it's important to the teams future that they let a great leader on the team like Ladd go. The future they've been building is coming, and it won't come cheap.
 
heretik27 said:
Capfriendly says $10,018,333 below the cap currently with Scheifele already paid. Only big deal to be made is with Trouba currently, and then Stafford's $4,350,000 is likely gone after next season either by the TDL or he potentially walks. Thorburn's likely done as well when his contract is up and that's another $1,200,000 after the upcoming season. Then you have Pavelec's $3,900,000 which is almost certainly to be gone after next season. This leaves Dano, Hellebuyck, Copp and Burmistrov to re-up the following year should we not lose any of them to Vegas.

So we're likely parting with $9,450,000 from Stafford, Thorburn and Pavs by next off season with the guys up for renewal being Burmistrov, Copp, Postma, Chiarot, Dano, Kosmachuk, Hellebuyck, Howden, and Olsen. All of them are depth right now with Dano and Hellebuyck being the only ones with a good upside. It's the following years off season that we have some interesting decisions to make with Little, Lowry, Armia, Ehlers, Enstrom, Stuart (probably retires $2,625,000 AAV), and then from our current farm we have decisions to make on the futures of Morrissey, Petan, De Leo, Kostalek, Phillips, Lodge, Comrie, Melchiori, and Blomqvist assuming Vegas doesn't poach any of them. That will be the year we need to have cap space the most as we might still need guys like Little or Enstrom and Ehlers will surely command a raise as well as Morrissey and Comrie should they continue improving. Who knows what happens to the rest of that depth? The following year you have Wheeler, Laine, Connor, Myers, and Lemieux up for new contracts.

I hope that some people can begin to grasp the reasoning behind why the Jets aren't spending to the cap right now and why it's important to the teams future that they let a great leader on the team like Ladd go. The future they've been building is coming, and it won't come cheap.
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Going to put this in every response when people say Jets are a budget team.
 
HawkeyTalkMan said:
I mean, in an article directly that is also quoting a convo with a co-owner direct stating the jets are a budget conscious team (a year and a half ago) doesnt really constitute a misperception or else it wouldnt fly

"How the Jets play on the ice and operate financially are ultimately Chipman's responsibility. His focus and his vision has been to operate the club in a fiscally responsible manner while still trying to achieve success on the ice. To that end, the Jets operate on a budget handed down from Chipman to GM Kevin Cheveldayoff."

EDIT: link http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/a-view-from-the-top-285324501.html
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The budget changes each year and the same owner has said that they'll spend to the NHL cap when it makes sense.
 
TheGrapesOfMcIlrath said:
Moving McDonagh makes little sense for NYR, even if the return is Trouba. I'm not saying the original proposal doesn't favor NY either, because it does, but NYR have no one behind McD on the left side.

Could something around Kreider and Trouba be worked? I know NY needs to add, the question is how much.
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We are way too stacked at both wings for it to make sense.
 
heretik27 said:
trifecta of suck
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This is epic. Thank you.

I am not a fan of Girardi but he is not THAT terrible, he played old last season and it showed, whether he can bounce back, IDK. He has played around 60ish playoff games in the last 4 seasons, that might take a toll on a shot blocker like him. His contract is terrible, but I think he can be serviceable to someone, not necessarily Win..
 
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