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AKA the ""Chevy is a dinosaur and I could do a better job because I read graphs on Twitter and I was the manager of my kid's Timbits team" thread
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Joe Hallenback
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In the last 5 years here is NHL teams win/lose records
I also think that there will need to be a successor in place now or in the future because it will happen when they need to move on
Just looking at those records the Jets had to do that against 3 teams that also are in the central its pretty remarkable actually
- Colorado Avalanche: 261-113-36
- Carolina Hurricanes: 258-116-36
- Dallas Stars: 245-118-47
- Boston Bruins: 241-124-45
- Florida Panthers: 239-143-28
- Tampa Bay Lightning: 239-135-36
- Edmonton Oilers: 237-136-37
- Toronto Maple Leafs: 234-130-46
- Minnesota Wild: 229-134-47
- Winnipeg Jets: 228-146-36
- Vegas Golden Knights: 228-130-52
I also think that there will need to be a successor in place now or in the future because it will happen when they need to move on
Just looking at those records the Jets had to do that against 3 teams that also are in the central its pretty remarkable actually
tarozi
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I don't see why this is so hard... trade for McDavid. Voila solved!!!! I mean vegas does it.....
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Is the problem just Chevy? Some people seem to think Chipman is too hands on...
WolfHouse
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Carolina - new GM in 2024
Colorado - new GM 2026
Edmonton - new GM 2024
Leafs - new GM 2026
Now how many of these teams have tanked and held onto their GM? Florida and Boston - both cup winners...
WolfHouse
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Just put Scheif above Chipman...Is the problem just Chevy? Some people seem to think Chipman is too hands on...
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I think the scouting department needs an overhaul, we haven't many hits lately and the prospects pool is pretty shallow.
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Hey Tiny Ford, Slow Gus, Do-Her, Little Chibby, Lame-Bert have AHL potential written all over them!
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WolfHouse
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I will keep harping on this…. Ive already listed Dallas, Carolina and Vegas hockey ops staff
Now Florida..
2 assistant GMs
3 special advisors to the GM
VP hockey operations
Dir player dev
Mgr payer dev
Euro dev coach
Scout and dev consultant
Dir of Hockey ops and player evaluation
Vp of Player engagement
Anayltics Dept
Senior systems architect
Data analyst
Data scientist
Director of scouting
12 amateur scouts
4 professional scouts
Total staff of 35-40 peopple in hockey ops/scouting
Not saying TNSE is not competitive but I’d like to see a full list of their actual personnel because theres not much on the website
Now Florida..
2 assistant GMs
3 special advisors to the GM
VP hockey operations
Dir player dev
Mgr payer dev
Euro dev coach
Scout and dev consultant
Dir of Hockey ops and player evaluation
Vp of Player engagement
Anayltics Dept
Senior systems architect
Data analyst
Data scientist
Director of scouting
12 amateur scouts
4 professional scouts
Total staff of 35-40 peopple in hockey ops/scouting
Not saying TNSE is not competitive but I’d like to see a full list of their actual personnel because theres not much on the website
They used to list all their scouts...now they don't even list Hillier or Ratchuk, who are the Directors of Amateur and Pro Scouting respectively (last I heard, anyway).
It looks like they removed the scouts from the site around the summer of 2023...so before the 2023-24 season. Bones was heading into his 2nd/final year as HC.
So at the end of the 2022-23 season, the Jets had:
- 11.5 Amateur Scouts (10 "Amateur Scouts", 1 "College Scout" and 1 "Pro & College Scout" - that's the 0.5)
- 5.5 Pro Scouts
- 1 "Scout" - Evgeny Bogdonovich, who'd been listed as "Head European Scout" from 2011?-2022. Long time, anyway. I assume he still was scouting Europe, they just changed the title for some reason?
- 1 Director of Pro Scouting (Pete Ratchuk)
- 1 Director of Amateur Scouting (Mark Hillier)
- 1 Scouting Coordinator (Barrett Leganchuk)
- Total staff: 21
- 12 Amateur Scouts (including Comeau, and a "European Amateur Scout")
- 4 Pro Scouts (including a "European Pro Scout")
- 1 Head European Scout (Bogdanovich)
- 1 Director of Pro Scouting (Mark Dobson)
- 1 Director of Amateur Scouting (Mark Hillier)
- 1 Coordinator, Scouting and Hockey Video (Barrett Leganchuk)
- Total staff: 20
- 13 Amateur Scouts (including Hillier, who was "Head Amateur Scout")
- 5 Pro Scouts
- 1 Director of Pro Scouting (Dobson)
- 1 Director of Amateur Scouting (Comeau)
- 1 Head European Scout (Bogdanovich)
- Total staff: 21
WolfHouse
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I forgot about the wayback machine…. wonder if my old polar bear blog is thereThey used to list all their scouts...now they don't even list Hillier or Ratchuk, who are the Directors of Amateur and Pro Scouting respectively (last I heard, anyway).
It looks like they removed the scouts from the site around the summer of 2023...so before the 2023-24 season. Bones was heading into his 2nd/final year as HC.
So at the end of the 2022-23 season, the Jets had:
In 2016 the Jets had:
- 11.5 Amateur Scouts (10 "Amateur Scouts", 1 "College Scout" and 1 "Pro & College Scout" - that's the 0.5)
- 5.5 Pro Scouts
- 1 "Scout" - Evgeny Bogdonovich, who'd been listed as "Head European Scout" from 2011?-2022. Long time, anyway. I assume he still was scouting Europe, they just changed the title for some reason?
- 1 Director of Pro Scouting (Pete Ratchuk)
- 1 Director of Amateur Scouting (Mark Hillier)
- 1 Scouting Coordinator (Barrett Leganchuk)
- Total staff: 21
In 2013:
- 12 Amateur Scouts (including Comeau, and a "European Amateur Scout")
- 4 Pro Scouts (including a "European Pro Scout")
- 1 Head European Scout (Bogdanovich)
- 1 Director of Pro Scouting (Mark Dobson)
- 1 Director of Amateur Scouting (Mark Hillier)
- 1 Coordinator, Scouting and Hockey Video (Barrett Leganchuk)
- Total staff: 20
The Wayback Machine is giving me lots of trouble looking back farther than this. But Seems like the total staff has been pretty stable around 20 or 21 scouts. Amateur scouts slightly fewer, going from 13 to 11.5 over the years. That Leganchuk guy does video scouting...and "coordination"? Which may mean he sees some guys on video and dispatches some scout to get live eyes on him...? They dropped the video part from his title in the last known listing, so maybe he just books their hotels?
- 13 Amateur Scouts (including Hillier, who was "Head Amateur Scout")
- 5 Pro Scouts
- 1 Director of Pro Scouting (Dobson)
- 1 Director of Amateur Scouting (Comeau)
- 1 Head European Scout (Bogdanovich)
- Total staff: 21
I have managed very well.... indulging in HFJets all these years...
And keeping my sanity...
And keeping my sanity...
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Cheveldayoff is in a real bind.
Undesirable market and the owner probably doesn’t want to rebuild.
No matter what Chevy does this offseason I’m not so sure that anyone he may bring in will be a huge difference maker.
There doesn’t seem to be any real chemistry like seasons past.
Helle publicly challenged Chevy to not run this back, I’m guessing that includes coaching. ( I can’t understand why they are bringing the same group back??? )
I’m sure the other guys who are near the end of their current deals are going to follow suit if there is not a bounce back year.
This year is the year that Chevy is forced to begin a rebuild next season.
This is going to be a great year on HF
Draft
Moves or no moves
First 25 games
Buckle up
Undesirable market and the owner probably doesn’t want to rebuild.
No matter what Chevy does this offseason I’m not so sure that anyone he may bring in will be a huge difference maker.
There doesn’t seem to be any real chemistry like seasons past.
Helle publicly challenged Chevy to not run this back, I’m guessing that includes coaching. ( I can’t understand why they are bringing the same group back??? )
I’m sure the other guys who are near the end of their current deals are going to follow suit if there is not a bounce back year.
This year is the year that Chevy is forced to begin a rebuild next season.
This is going to be a great year on HF
Draft
Moves or no moves
First 25 games
Buckle up
If you can figure out what number 1 center that gets 103 points we could trade Scheifele for I'm all ears , or eyes in this case .
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So basically where we're at is that nothing can be done because everyone's hands are tied by market circumstances and nobody wants to come here and anyone new is likely to be at best no better than what we have and also there's no need to change anything because everyone is doing as good as can be expected anyway and also don't be math'n stats nerd! Got it.
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I don't think Hellebuyck includes coaching in that. I think most players think of coaching changes as tuning out the message (like what happened with Cassidy in Vegas, or Tortorella after a couple of years each place he goes) and less the Xs and Os stuff. I think most of the team believes they can win with this core group, and the coach since they did that just a year before, but they see other teams loading up, especially in the division, and want some big time help to compete. The problem is, and Hellebuyck I think is aware of it to some degree, that's not as easy here as it is in places like Colorado (two superstars plus a good market), Dallas (good team and no state tax, warm climate and much more anonymity), or Minnesota (similar weather to Winnipeg but a strong tradition of hockey from the high school state championships, NCAA Frozen Four, etc). Plus I'm sure a lot of players, American or not, just prefer to play in the US for many reasons. The team is going to quickly fall behind. I think they are confident themselves, though, that they can compete with those three, with some additional help.
My theory on the Hellebuyck noise coming out now, after his comments didn't say he was ready to move on, is that they've tried to make a few trades that would satisfy the core by not removing key roster players so they can improve the roster, and/or the 8th overall for a player that's of the value that an 8th overall pick would be, and he's been unable to do it, has told Hellebuyck as much, and now the trade rumours are coming out. Also, I think a lot of it is driven through the media. Teams are calling on Hellebuyck, they let it out that they're calling, now more teams call thinking he's available, and then the story becomes he wants a move, and then he starts thinking maybe now's the time.
If you can figure out what number 1 center that gets 103 points we could trade Scheifele for I'm all ears , or eyes in this case .
I think the point is that other teams have players that score 100+ points that don't seem to have undue influence on who they play with. I don't think it's as bad as some people think, like I don't believe he's filling out the lineup card and writing the lines on the board, but I do think that Chipman and Chevy feel he's what the Jets are all about and he knows that he can ask for almost anything and probably get it.
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How confident are you of a bounce back , by leaving it as is? I’m not.
Are you confident that Arneil can get the core guys playing a responsible 2 way game? , I’m not.
Cheveldayoff has a huge challenge on landing a big fish, it’s possible of course but unlikely.
I really think we could have used a change behind the bench, a hard ass that would not be afraid to be strict like Bones was.
YMMV all good
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Hey! Not everyone can afford the tuition for the "I'll just make up some fairy tale about how the Jets actually have a massive, hidden, secret, cutting-edge Department of Player Development based on what some guy at the Rink told me" school...
I just thought it was a bit odd that the Jets dropped their scouts from the website in 2023.
But wait! I just found their Media Guide! It's a 65 MB PDF file hidden under News > Jets Media PR > 25-26 Jets Media Guide. I guess they don't know about compressing PDFs? Maybe talk to those geeks in Data Science.
I'll just link to their Media PR page so it doesn't trigger that big download. The link to the guide is near the top right.
Anyway, on page 135 of the media guide, there's a full staff listing.
A few new positions - 2 ADs of Amateur Scouting and a Director, College Free Agency & Pro Scout (so he's also a 50/50 college/pro scout?). The Head European Scout position is back - now filled by Jari Kekalainen (Jarmo's kin? Maybe that's how we unloaded Stanley and Schenn on the Sabres!
). Total department size: 19. I assume the ADs do some scouting...they're just like more senior scouts.
And on the following page, the Moose staff lists a couple of related jobs. Drew MacIntyre, Developmental Goaltending Coach & Scout. A Faceoff Coach, Vaughan Rody. Another Pro Scout, Chris Dennis (I guess he's scouting AHL opps and elsewhere looking for players at that level?).
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I don't think the suggestion is that nothing can be done, I think the suggestion that what players like Hellebuyck want to happen and maybe what some fans think is possible here, are probably out of reach here.
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