Post-Game Talk: Jets lose crucial game 3-1

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Losing to Calgary when they lost night before to Chicago at home is just sad.
This team deserves to miss the playoffs because of this game alone.

Wasn't everybody saying the same thing after the 3-0 loss to San Jose? Maybe we just suck.

 

[Ggg99]

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Anyway, I'd label this game as a big missed opportunity to bury them. We still control our own destiny so should be ok.

Playing against Markstrom and a reeling team off a back to back I was hoping the previous 2-game rise in goal scoring continued. IMO the pp again wasn't great. I know they got the goal on the double-minor, however id say they really didn't muster much before for the first 2.5min or after, and the other pp's after that weren't super dangerous. It was going likely always going to be a close game the Flames usually play teams pretty tight (most games decided by a goal in the nhl).

I'm glad we brought in nino not only can he generate chances and score he along with Dubois are the only fwds with some consistency in physicality, net front offense or mixing it up with the opposition. If pld leaves will be even softer.

This was also a game I was expecting Scheifele To show up and really be a dangerous player on the ice. Given the hype, implications and it being billed as a "PO game". I don't think we got that from him at all.

Thanks for posting this. I think WPGChief's commentary is spot on for this one and actually just echos what most posters have said. And the deserve to win meter is pretty much correct for this one too.

Ya Nino's physicality stood out against Calgary. The gap in that department between PLD/Nino and the rest of the team was really glaring last night.
Nino needs to replace Wheeler in the top 6. It's ridiculous already how Wheeler kills plays losing pucks/fumbling/falling.

EDIT: I see the deserve to win meter actually got it wrong. So stop posting this crap already.

 

[cbcwpg]

Those two wins against Detroit and New Jersey were an aberration, not the norm for this team.

 

[voyageur]

Some good points about the Jets getting drawn into the type of game the Flames wanted to play.

Still think we had more then enough chances to win that game with better finish. Their goalie played a real strong game but we also missed the net way too much.

I'm not really a fan of the makeshift top line, they are too uneven in their own end for my liking.



Yeah outside of his play with Perfetti and Wheeler earlier he's really dragged his linemates down for a good chunk of the back half of this season. Last night was another example of that.

Time to move on.

Blake trys but at his age also tends to hurt his line in certain areas of the game.

Kyle Connor is playing bad hockey right now...I wish someone would say it. Mark Scheifele had a better effort than him if you watched the game objectively. Scheifele was engaged in battles all night long. He also set up good scoring chances again, that players can't finish. I mean Scheifele should have 40 assists this year if players could f***ing hit the net, or deflect a puck over the pads. So I'm not looking forward to the team without him, that can't score or pass...Maybe they will defend better, but we'll see about that.

This game got me thinking about what the Jets identity is, if they played the Flames way. They are not fast, since there too many slow skaters out there, they are not physical except a couple of guys. They are not good defensively as we are starting to see. So what's the identity of this team, that Chevy has only tinkered with for about 4 years now?

 

[GaryPoppins]

Chevy built a team that can skate with the best of them. The problem is when we play teams that don't want to play a skating game.

Calgary plays "in your face", "hit anything that moves" hockey and the Jets have issues playing that way.

It also doesn't help when we put the winning goal into our own net.

Imo, I wouldn’t consider us a fast team. We can keep up but I’d have us bottom third imo

 

[surixon]

Kyle Connor is playing bad hockey right now...I wish someone would say it. Mark Scheifele had a better effort than him if you watched the game objectively. Scheifele was engaged in battles all night long. He also set up good scoring chances again, that players can't finish. I mean Scheifele should have 40 assists this year if players could f***ing hit the net, or deflect a puck over the pads. So I'm not looking forward to the team without him, that can't score or pass...Maybe they will defend better, but we'll see about that.

This game got me thinking about what the Jets identity is, if they played the Flames way. They are not fast, since there too many slow skaters out there, they are not physical except a couple of guys. They are not good defensively as we are starting to see. So what's the identity of this team, that Chevy has only tinkered with for about 4 years now?

Well to me Conner is what he is, a player who is elite at what he does (complimentary offense) but has significant weaknesses in his game.

He isn't a driver nor has he ever been imo. He can link up and finish in the ozone but is incredibly limited elsewhere. So I really don't care to continually complain about the clear deficiencies in his game. He's always been dependent on his center to drive things for him.

Mark to me is supposed to be the driver of this team up front and hasn't gotten it done. I expect more from our so called best forward then what he's given.

As for our identity that is a tough one. I'd say the identity should be a quick puck movement team that breaks teams down through rotation and switches. Unfortunately it's not a game plan we see consistiently. When we play that way and move the puck cleanly and consistiently we have our way with the oppositon.

Imo, I wouldn’t consider us a fast team. We can keep up but I’d have us bottom third imo

When we are at our best we play fast by letting the puck do the work. But I agree that as a collective we don't have many players with high end top speed.

 

[SensibleGuy]

EDIT: I see the deserve to win meter actually got it wrong. So stop posting this crap already.

can you explain how the DTW meter got it wrong? As far as I can see, the DTW meter says The Flames win that game 32 out of 100 times. Presumably, last night falls under one of those 32 out of 100 times does it not?

 

[Hobble]

If this was the Jets playing like it’s a Game 7, they’d be lucky to make it past Game 4 in the first round if they make it in.

 

[Inanna]

Back to the hired killer racket?

You bet. Killer smile, glam dress, greet them at the door, walk them into the ballroom, inane small talk, hide the fact that my heels are killing me. Repeat.

The things we do for money.

I'm hoping this time my phone won't be locked away with my coat so I can check up on the game during breaks. With both Calgary and Nashville now in the hot mix on our tail, this could be a really important evening. But I'm happy to take one for the team with my "not looking" jinx. (Oh, and also take the money. Very happy for the money.)

 

[Keystone]

Kyle Connor is playing bad hockey right now...I wish someone would say it. Mark Scheifele had a better effort than him if you watched the game objectively. Scheifele was engaged in battles all night long. He also set up good scoring chances again, that players can't finish. I mean Scheifele should have 40 assists this year if players could f***ing hit the net, or deflect a puck over the pads. So I'm not looking forward to the team without him, that can't score or pass...Maybe they will defend better, but we'll see about that.

This game got me thinking about what the Jets identity is, if they played the Flames way. They are not fast, since there too many slow skaters out there, they are not physical except a couple of guys. They are not good defensively as we are starting to see. So what's the identity of this team, that Chevy has only tinkered with for about 4 years now?

100%. Kyle Con-man is a complete liability if he isn’t filling up the net. I see him wanting to be part of the exodus out of here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Better team got goalied. Calgary is one of the most unlikeable teams in the league.

Jets got goalied - again - by one of the weakest goalies in the league.

Does any other team get goalied as often as the Jets? Just asking.

 

[raideralex99]

can you explain how the DTW meter got it wrong? As far as I can see, the DTW meter says The Flames win that game 32 out of 100 times. Presumably, last night falls under one of those 32 out of 100 times does it not?

Markstrom the night before vs Hawks .826 SV%
Markstrom vs Jets .971 SV%
Markstrom vs NHL (57 games) .881 SV%
See the difference.

 

[Stumbledore]

100%. Kyle Con-man is a complete liability if he isn’t filling up the net. I see him wanting to be part of the exodus out of here.

Not a complete liability, but his defensive skills are non-existant and he puts little effort into getting into the corners. He signed a multi-year so I don't think he wants out of here, he just wants more of his shots to go in.

 

[voyageur]

They should have kept trotting out the 2nd and third lines and split the rest between 1 and 4.

At some point you have to realize certain players are hurting the team.

At least if 81 80 55 were generating chances you could keep them out there but they're spending practically their whole shift in their zone and when they do get the puck they just make a stupid pass on the offensive zone for a turnover.

It's embarrassing.

They should make line 2 line 1 and then put those three on separate lines

A top line of Ehlers-Namestnikov-Wheeler? That's ugly.

The top line lost the game but they got no help from the defense...Brendon Dillon this offseason is worth a 3rd round pick they way he is playing. I'd love to see him fly up the ice and bury one from the slot like Zadorov did, but he's not capable of that kind of offense. He can play a 2-1 like a dog, get beat in foot races, turn over the puck in the defensive zone, trip on his own player's skates, put sticks in the opponents feet. I think of the pass he got in the offensive zone off the boards, and he just shot it into the corner to no one, with a tired Wheeler on the ice, and then it is back to defending.

I'll reiterate this if we compare the two defenses:

Morrissey is a better player than Rasmus Andersson as the leader of the defense.

As a #2 Noah Hanifin is better than Pionk.

As a #3 Mackenzie Weegar is better and more physical than Schmidt

As a shutdown d-man I'll take Tanev over De Melo

I'll take Zadorov over Dillon anyday.

So #6 Samberg is better than Stetcher, though Stetcher had a good game, made some strong defensive plays, and the guy Stetcher is replacing Kylington is probably on par with Samberg.

The Jets defense is the shits...teams that wanted to compete for the Cup, to keep pace with Colorado moved to improve their defenses. Ekholm has done wonders for the Oilers, Gavrikov has solidified the Kings. Klingberg has helped Minnesota. The Jets defense is scarcely better than the 2021 team, Dillon is a marginal upgrade on Forbort at the cost of 2 2nd round picks, and Nate Schmidt is putting up 2020 Tucker Poolman numbers when he was here. Definitely not as good of a skater. We can change up the forwards all we want but this defense needs an overhaul.

 

[raideralex99]

A top line of Ehlers-Namestnikov-Wheeler? That's ugly.

The top line lost the game but they got no help from the defense...Brendon Dillon this offseason is worth a 3rd round pick they way he is playing. I'd love to see him fly up the ice and bury one from the slot like Zadorov did, but he's not capable of that kind of offense. He can play a 2-1 like a dog, get beat in foot races, turn over the puck in the defensive zone, trip on his own player's skates, put sticks in the opponents feet. I think of the pass he got in the offensive zone off the boards, and he just shot it into the corner to no one, with a tired Wheeler on the ice, and then it is back to defending.

I'll reiterate this if we compare the two defenses:

Morrissey is a better player than Rasmus Andersson as the leader of the defense.

As a #2 Noah Hanifin is better than Pionk.

As a #3 Mackenzie Weegar is better and more physical than Schmidt

As a shutdown d-man I'll take Tanev over De Melo

I'll take Zadorov over Dillon anyday.

So #6 Samberg is better than Stetcher, though Stetcher had a good game, made some strong defensive plays, and the guy Stetcher is replacing Kylington is probably on par with Samberg.

The Jets defense is the shits...teams that wanted to compete for the Cup, to keep pace with Colorado moved to improve their defenses. Ekholm has done wonders for the Oilers, Gavrikov has solidified the Kings. Klingberg has helped Minnesota. The Jets defense is scarcely better than the 2021 team, Dillon is a marginal upgrade on Forbort at the cost of 2 2nd round picks, and Nate Schmidt is putting up 2020 Tucker Poolman numbers when he was here. Definitely not as good of a skater. We can change up the forwards all we want but this defense needs an overhaul.

Calgary has given up 242 goals while the Jets have given up only 217 goals please explain how the Flames have a better defense?
Are you going by one game?

 

[voyageur]

Calgary has given up 242 goals while the Jets have given up only 217 goals please explain how the Flames have a better defense?
Are you going by one game?

Markstrom has been the shits all year, that's pretty much a consensus. There's your 25 goals. The Jets have made James Reimer, Joel Hofer and now Markstrom look invicible. Our PK is maybe the one thing that saves us game after game from having similar numbers.

 

[Gm0ney]

Hellebuyck has been way below average for the last 6 weeks, and combined with the lack of finish and the ineffectual powerplay since basically the start of 2023, it's been more than enough to torpedo the Jets.

Hellebuyck is currently 6th with a +0.44 GSAA/60 and a .918 SV% (all situations) for the season to date. Pretty good! But...

...Over the last 6 weeks he's 24th at -0.08 GSAA/60 with an .898 SV%.

From the start of the season up 6 weeks ago, he was 3rd with a +0.65 GSAA/60 and .926 SV%.

The powerplay over the last 6 weeks is 31st in the NHL with an abysmally low conversion rate of 13.2%.

The big wins over Detroit and New Jersey had me thinking, well, if they can get their SH% back up and get decent goaltending and maybe get the powerplay working we could be in business. But alas...

 

[SensibleGuy]

Markstrom the night before vs Hawks .826 SV%
Markstrom vs Jets .971 SV%
Markstrom vs NHL (57 games) .881 SV%
See the difference.

no.

I mean does the goal-tender performance not play into the statistical analysis leading to the DTW meter score?

 

[surixon]

Markstrom has been the shits all year, that's pretty much a consensus. There's your 25 goals. The Jets have made James Reimer, Joel Hofer and now Markstrom look invicible. Our PK is maybe the one thing that saves us game after game from having similar numbers.

The Flames defensive play has been better this year but you sell the Jets short. They have been quite good at reducing chances against. Significantly better than past years. They have gone from a bottom 3 dcore to a slightly above league average dcore.

 

[Gm0ney]

Calgary has given up 242 goals while the Jets have given up only 217 goals please explain how the Flames have a better defense?
Are you going by one game?

2nd lowest CA/60, 3rd lowest SA/60, 3rd lowest xGA/60 and 31st in SV%. Tremendous defense. Terrible Markstrom.

Their offensive numbers are Top 10 as well (2nd CF/60, 2nd SF/60, 8th GF/60, 5th xGF/60).

If the Flames didn't have sub-Pavlecian goaltending they'd be fighting for top spot in the Pacific.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets don’t like to make it easy for themselves, that’s for sure. That was a pretty brutal showing. The free fall down the standings is quite spectacular. I don’t feel great about their chances even if they squeak their way into the playoffs… this core has not been good for awhile now and there really needs to be some changes in the offseason.

Jets 2nd half collapse is epic. It is worthy of Leafs in 1st rd of PO.

 

[AlaskaJet]

The fact that our team has more ups and downs than a yo-yo suggests that team morale is extremely flammable and bi-polar. Confidence seems great at times but fragile. What happens or doesn’t in the locker room each game probably has a lot to do with it, and it may be as much what isn’t said as what is..

The last two wins generated a lot of hope around here, and it ain’t over by a long shot. If the team wants it badly enough, anything is possible, but all the lines need to have at least one primer on the blast cord.
Let’s see who can bring the spark in the remaining games.

 

[jetsfan91]

Those two wins against Detroit and New Jersey were an aberration, not the norm for this team.

For every big win this team has, has followed up with an equally disappointing loss, especially to teams behind us in the standings. The definition of a treadmill team. I want us to make the playoffs and go on a run but I’m not blind to see this team has some deep rooted cultural problems, if we collapse and lose out on a playoff bid atleast we know major changes are happening, so I’m not going to get my self worked up over this team either we make a run or we tear it all down that’s how I see it at this point.

 

[King Woodballs]

Wasn't everybody saying the same thing after the 3-0 loss to San Jose? Maybe we just suck.

You are what your record says you are.
The jets certainly have sucked for 3/4 of the year.

 

[Guffman]

I just can't take advanced stats seriously as long as they tell me I should build my team around Nic Petan and Marco Dano.

LOL… yup!