BrianFromAIH
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Sean Bergenheim. He had to play overseas and then came back the next season for the Isles.
Now that Wang is no longer in charge, not sure this policy is still in play though.
You can do that with a player like Bergenheim, but not with a really good player. I really doubt that the Isles would do that with a stud player, unless they don't care about winning.
Related to contracts, it is true that Hamonic is on a very good deal. However, he's 25 and only signed for the next 4 years. I think the Jets would want to lock Trouba up for 7-8 more years, and would be willing to pay in terms of AAV to get there. If Hamonic maintains a high level of play through this contract, he'll be commanding $7M+ as a UFA after 4 years. At that time, the Jets will be needing to pay players like Ehlers, Connor and Laine on their second contracts and would then like to have Trouba at $6M or less, instead of trying to re-sign Hamonic at $7M+.
My issue with a Trouba for Hamonic swap, is that sources like E. Friedman indicate Trouba will be a difficult signing, that he wants to be paid more for his potential then actual on ice accomplishments.
And don't dismiss the rep and MO of Trouba's agent, who has had several other rfa clients involved in drawn out and messy contract battles.
I would love to have Trouba, think he has terrific upside, but not would not give up Hamonic signed for 4 more yrs ( with a $3.8m caphit).
Too much risk in a holdout imo.
You can do that with a player like Bergenheim, but not with a really good player. I really doubt that the Isles would do that with a stud player, unless they don't care about winning.
Related to contracts, it is true that Hamonic is on a very good deal. However, he's 25 and only signed for the next 4 years. I think the Jets would want to lock Trouba up for 7-8 more years, and would be willing to pay in terms of AAV to get there. If Hamonic maintains a high level of play through this contract, he'll be commanding $7M+ as a UFA after 4 years. At that time, the Jets will be needing to pay players like Ehlers, Connor and Laine on their second contracts and would then like to have Trouba at $6M or less, instead of trying to re-sign Hamonic at $7M+.
I've said this on multiple occasions to my own Islander fans. Trouba is absolutely as good as Hamonic right now, maybe even a little bit better. Advanced stats echo this. I would have been thrilled if Trouba was the return for Hamonic back when we seemed to be forced to make a trade. However, the fact that Hamonic has such a great salary and Trouba will almost certainly make more in his next contract puts their value much closer to even.
I'd like to sum up these thought by saying, yes I think Trouba is a little bit better than Hamonic. Yes, I think the value is similar and Jets definitely wouldn't have to add to get the trade. No, I don't think the Jets would be smart making that trade with Trouba's ceiling.
Part of the reason Hamonic's value is sky high in Islander's fans minds is because of his draft position and him far exceeding his ceiling, however, that doesn't mean he's suddenly better than Trouba. Trouba was a higher draft pick, with a higher ceiling and is still developing. Hamonic's proven a valuable draft pick where he was selected. That's where the conversation should stop though.
This is kind of why I started this thread. I feel Trouba will either sign a bridge around 4, to his ufa slightly over that, max about 5.5.
Whichever he signs for has a huge impact.
Well stated, leaponover.
Having said that, if the Jets sign Trouba for 4.5 x 2, who should give something up?
Well, if the Jets had Trouba signed at 4.5 x 2, removing emotion I think the Islanders would need a small add. Nothing major, like a 2nd round pick or B prospect like Mayfield or Quine. 2 years at 4.5 is inviting, but still 2 years away from big money. Hamonic is locked up until 2020 at a cap hit of less than 4 million. So his contract is still an amazing value. It's truly a work of art, lol and I marvel at Snows ability to get guys locked up like that. Really shows Hamonic's loyalty to the team. In fact, I think the value is still really close. I think the Isles only need to add if Trouba gets something like 4.5 for 4 years. Now we are talking about more value, but I can't imagine Trouba signing for that. I agree what you say about Trouba taking a bridge deal if he can't get a 5.5m commitment from the Jets. Heck, if we really does want a pay day he'll take the bridge deal regardless and then cash in big time after two years. He's in a pretty good spot if he keeps playing the way he does.
Pulock >>Trouba
Pulock is only 8 months younger than Trouba and has 15 career NHL games. Trouba has 211 as a proven top 4 NHL defenseman
I'm not looking to rip off the jets ; just looking for alternatives considering its trade proposal forum & isles fans believe hamonic is off the table .
I'm not looking to rip off the jets ; just looking for alternatives considering its trade proposal forum & isles fans believe hamonic is off the table .
OMG. I just heard a Lawless interview and he said Trouba is a top 4 defenceman. What an insult to the great Jacob Trouba!
How is Pulock worth more than Trouba?
How is Pulock worth more than Trouba?
Quite easily if Trouba's contract demands are as high as rumored. Pulock has two ELC years left so it's quite fair to think a lot of teams would prefer the cheaper option.
Quite easily if Trouba's contract demands are as high as rumored. Pulock has two ELC years left so it's quite fair to think a lot of teams would prefer the cheaper option.
Quite easily if Trouba's contract demands are as high as rumored. Pulock has two ELC years left so it's quite fair to think a lot of teams would prefer the cheaper option.