Speculation: Jets-Islanders...Hamonic-Trouba

[JetsHomer]

If all you are going to post is hyperbole there is no point continuing this discussion. If you are ever interested in learning about how your ignorant rather than just basking in it perhaps try to argue without using ridiculous exaggerations

 

[CodeE]

Dude, I'm providing valid proof of what I'm saying, that there's a ton of internet chatter about Trouba right now, and recently guys with a lot of internet chatter have been traded to the behest of their fanbases.

You're raging about one article I've never heard of and calling me ignorant. Maybe address my points instead of using the "OMG I can't even begin to address what you're saying I simply cannot have this conversation" internet argument.

 

[JetsHomer]

Dude, I'm providing valid proof of what I'm saying, that there's a ton of internet chatter about Trouba right now, and recently guys with a lot of internet chatter have been traded to the behest of their fanbases.

You're raging about one article I've never heard of and calling me ignorant. Maybe address my points instead of using the "OMG I can't even begin to address what you're saying I simply cannot have this conversation" internet argument.

The Tim Campbell article is the source that all those reports and Internet chatter are based off of dude, he had the original report that said Trouba wanted big money. There have been no other sources that have leaked any kind of information whatsoever about Trouba's current contract negotiations.

You are basing your opinion off of random internet traffic that is basing their writings off of a wack report from a small time reporter. That is why you are ignorant. I hope this explaination suffices, thanks for keeping the hyperbole out of your post

 

[CodeE]

The Tim Campbell article is the source that all those reports and Internet chatter are based off of dude, he had the original report that said Trouba wanted big money. There have been no other sources that have leaked any kind of information whatsoever about Trouba's current contract negotiations.

You are basing your opinion off of random internet traffic that is basing their writings off of a wack report from a small time reporter. That is why you are ignorant. I hope this explaination suffices, thanks for keeping the hyperbole out of your post

Let's just take an excerpt from one of those articles and see what it says, shall we?

http://thehockeywriters.com/replacing-jacob-trouba/

With rumors looming over Jets defenseman Jacob Trouba, the team and their fan base must deal with the chances that the team will be without one of their top defenders next season. Last week The Hockey Writers Rob Mahon discussed rumors surrounding Trouba, originally reported by Hockey Night in Canada’s Elliot Friedman. Friedman reported on his segment Saturday night that the Avalanche, in particular, have their eyes on the Jets defenseman, stating:

“Not saying Winnipeg’s going to do it, but I think that’s a player Colorado would like to get its hands on.”

Now, yes, this is just a rumor and Friedman even qualifies it, but it is worth discussing due to Trouba’s contract status and the perceived interest in Winnipeg’s young American defenseman. With what seems like no movement towards resigning Trouba, this topic is becoming more and more real everyday, and it seems more likely the Jets will be without him going forward. That being said, the most interesting aspect of this possibility would be Trouba’s replacement, and where that player would come from.

I suppose this is based on the one random internet article you claimed to have debunked and is also directly responsible for literally every other Trouba rumor on the internet, right?

 

[JetsHomer]

Let's just take an excerpt from one of those articles and see what it says, shall we?

http://thehockeywriters.com/replacing-jacob-trouba/



I suppose this is based on the one random internet article you claimed to have debunked and is also directly responsible for literally every other Trouba rumor on the internet, right?

Uhhh pretty much yeah. The topic of Trouba being avaliable and wanting big money exploded after Campbell said he was asking for 7x7 and since then there has been constant chatter about him.

What do you think posting an article about Colorado valuing Trouba shows about Trouba's contract demands or contract situation exactly?

 

[Huffer]

All season long we've been hearing rumors that Trouba's salary demands were fine, coupled with Jets fans saying everything is hunky dory and he'll take a sweetheart deal when he resigns.

Considering Oiler fans spent all season ignoring the rumors that their veteran forwards were "damaged goods" and insisted that they could quite easily land a Pietrangelo/Subban level defenseman for Taylor "Untouchable" Hall, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the rumors that Trouba's contract negotiations have been difficult.

Who said he would take a sweatheart deal? Link?

The comparables for Trouba are already set. I wouldn't doubt that negotiations have been difficult. That's the m.o of his agent. Doesn't mean he'll get a dime more than the Jets feel he's worth in comparison to the market. Either he signs or sits.

 

[sully1410]

I don't even know what the "Campbell article" is. However, if I do a google search for Jacob Trouba and then click on the news tab, some interesting articles pop up. Some of the recent articles include headlines like:

"Rumour: Boston Bruins prepping monster offer sheet for Jacob Trouba
Arctic Ice Hockey (blog)-Jun 29, 2016"

"Replacing Jacob Trouba
The Hockey Writers-Jun 17, 2016"

"The trouble with Trouba trade talk
Winnipeg Free Press-Jun 22, 2016"

"Trouba's contract negotiations with the Winnipeg Jets could prove fascinating
MetroNews Canada-Jun 16, 2016"

But I guess if you refute the "Campbell article" it proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Trouba will resign for less money than Hamonic makes, right? Things couldn't possibly go wrong for your franchise, only all the other franchises.

All of these stemmed from the initial article about the contract demands...which has been proven baseless. There 's no desire from the Jets to trade Trouba and there has been no report that he has asked for a trade. Even if Trouba is being difficult and doesn't like Winnipeg, we still don't have to trade him. If you want proof of this...look no further than Evander Kane who reportedly asked for a train every offseason, yet still signed a 6yr deal and played his hardest every night.

 

[Evil Little]

I don't even know what the "Campbell article" is. However, if I do a google search for Jacob Trouba and then click on the news tab, some interesting articles pop up. Some of the recent articles include headlines like:

"Rumour: Boston Bruins prepping monster offer sheet for Jacob Trouba
Arctic Ice Hockey (blog)-Jun 29, 2016"

"Replacing Jacob Trouba
The Hockey Writers-Jun 17, 2016"

"The trouble with Trouba trade talk
Winnipeg Free Press-Jun 22, 2016"

"Trouba's contract negotiations with the Winnipeg Jets could prove fascinating
MetroNews Canada-Jun 16, 2016"

But I guess if you refute the "Campbell article" it proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Trouba will resign for less money than Hamonic makes, right? Things couldn't possibly go wrong for your franchise, only all the other franchises.

None of those articles even purport to have any new, unreported inside information.

Indeed, if you'd been willing to pay the $0.26 CDN you'd have seen that one of them was written by Tim Campbell himself, and makes no reference to any $7m x 7 number (which Overhardt denied the day it was initially reported) or any exorbitant demands on Trouba's part, despite the fact that the article lists all of the reasons the Jets may want to trade Trouba.

Take note that McKenzie--the only insider who has opted to shut up instead of make **** up--has not made one peep about Trouba.

 

[CodeE]

You guys can keep claiming only one debunked article is relevant... have you ever heard of the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

We heard all sorts of rumors that Chia might look to trade Hall/RNH for defense, Oiler fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their assets, eventually they traded Hall for Larsson.

We heard all sorts of rumors that Montreal management wanted to move Subban before his NMC kicked in, Habs fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their asset, eventually they traded Subban for Weber.

We heard very few rumors about, say, Seth Jones being moved, other than some Oiler fans saying how great it would be to offer sheet him and not have Columbus match. Sure, part of it is due to Canadian markets having a ton more coverage than Ohio, but Jones signed his extension without any problems being reported.

Now, we're hearing all sorts of rumors that Winnipeg management is having trouble getting Trouba to agree. Jets fans are brushing them off, demanding an overpayment for their player, or saying things like "if he signs a 4 year deal it'll be for a less cap hit than Hamonic because I say so".

Do you get where I'm coming from? The two previous situations, fanbases swore up and down that everything was fine, all the rumormongers were making up lies about their players for pageviews, same old rhetoric. In both cases, eventually the player got moved, at a price many fans weren't happy with.

Now, Jets fans are making the same claims: everything is fine, the rumormongers are making up lies for pageviews, nobody knows what they're talking about except us. Considering what JUST happened with Hall and what just happened with Subban, what exactly makes this situation so radically different from Hall/Subban? I haven't heard any logical argument to counter that, just a lot of "well every single Trouba rumor is based on this one article which is totally bogus!" which I've heard before.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Now, Jets fans are making the same claims: everything is fine, the rumormongers are making up lies for pageviews, nobody knows what they're talking about except us. Considering what JUST happened with Hall and what just happened with Subban, what exactly makes this situation so radically different from Hall/Subban? I haven't heard any logical argument to counter that, just a lot of "well every single Trouba rumor is based on this one article which is totally bogus!" which I've heard before.

But how many rumors don`t come true? Buff was rumored to be traded way more then Trouba was and we all know how that turned out. Just because there's fire doesn't mean that it will happen or that it won't, it just means that people like to conjecture and take any hint of a possible trade and let their imaginations run with it.

I think most Jets fans get frustrated and try and dismiss this rumor is that Trouba is a great young player that the team doesn't want to lose. So they say that these are just rumors that he will be traded (which is completely true) and that they would only want to trade him for a equivalent young defenseman (since that's the Jets biggest need). Of course very few offers are of that quality so Jets fans say we'd rather keep Trouba and those and it's just dumb rumors that he'd be traded.

What makes it different then those other rumors is that the team has only ever said they want to sign Trouba, and the fact that he is the biggest team need (it's not like the Jets are overflowing with young defensemen).

 

[sully1410]

You guys can keep claiming only one debunked article is relevant... have you ever heard of the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

We heard all sorts of rumors that Chia might look to trade Hall/RNH for defense, Oiler fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their assets, eventually they traded Hall for Larsson.

We heard all sorts of rumors that Montreal management wanted to move Subban before his NMC kicked in, Habs fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their asset, eventually they traded Subban for Weber.

We heard very few rumors about, say, Seth Jones being moved, other than some Oiler fans saying how great it would be to offer sheet him and not have Columbus match. Sure, part of it is due to Canadian markets having a ton more coverage than Ohio, but Jones signed his extension without any problems being reported.

Now, we're hearing all sorts of rumors that Winnipeg management is having trouble getting Trouba to agree. Jets fans are brushing them off, demanding an overpayment for their player, or saying things like "if he signs a 4 year deal it'll be for a less cap hit than Hamonic because I say so".

Do you get where I'm coming from? The two previous situations, fanbases swore up and down that everything was fine, all the rumormongers were making up lies about their players for pageviews, same old rhetoric. In both cases, eventually the player got moved, at a price many fans weren't happy with.

Now, Jets fans are making the same claims: everything is fine, the rumormongers are making up lies for pageviews, nobody knows what they're talking about except us. Considering what JUST happened with Hall and what just happened with Subban, what exactly makes this situation so radically different from Hall/Subban? I haven't heard any logical argument to counter that, just a lot of "well every single Trouba rumor is based on this one article which is totally bogus!" which I've heard before.

Did you read my post earlier? Every single scrap of speculation comes from one article. And that article was debunked by Trouba's agent as false.

Winnipeg has no issues forcing Trouba to play here until we decide to trade him or until he leaves via UFA. We've done it before with Evander Kane, and we will do it again with Jacob Trouba if need be.

He has no bargaining power. We own him. And if he doesn't want to sign a contract, he can sit until he does. We can be patient. It's kind of our thing. It's really not a big deal.

 

[Evil Little]

You guys can keep claiming only one debunked article is relevant... have you ever heard of the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

We heard all sorts of rumors that Chia might look to trade Hall/RNH for defense, Oiler fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their assets, eventually they traded Hall for Larsson.

We heard all sorts of rumors that Montreal management wanted to move Subban before his NMC kicked in, Habs fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their asset, eventually they traded Subban for Weber.

I don't know what the hell is wrong with Bergevin, but the Oilers were openly shopping for D.

The Jets, on the other hand, need Trouba and more players like him: young, high-end defensemen who will be in their prime concurrently with Laine, Scheifele, Hellebuyck, Ehlers, and Connor.

We heard very few rumors about, say, Seth Jones being moved, other than some Oiler fans saying how great it would be to offer sheet him and not have Columbus match. Sure, part of it is due to Canadian markets having a ton more coverage than Ohio, but Jones signed his extension without any problems being reported.

Well, Seth Jones was signed before teams were able to make offer sheets. There's a reason for that. (hint: it's not because Columbus have spent the last couple of years securing enough cap space so that they don't need to worry about a Jones offer sheet).

The Jets made themselves offer sheet proof this year. They're now spending that capital this summer by using as much time as they need to sign their players.

If I were Overhardt, I might be desperate enough to try to get my hack writer friends to try to artificially inflate Trouba's perceived value by suggesting in the media he's worth Duchene or four 1st rounders from a non-playoff team.

Now, we're hearing all sorts of rumors that Winnipeg management is having trouble getting Trouba to agree.

You might be; I'm not. And I actively follow the Jets.

Jets fans are [...] saying things like "if he signs a 4 year deal it'll be for a less cap hit than Hamonic because I say so".

I'm the one who stated that if Trouba signs a four year deal it would be for less than Hamonic's cap hit and I don't know why you're smearing me while only remembering part of my statement.

In any case, it would not be 'because I said so' it would be because signing a young star player who's ineligible for arbitration to a contract that comprises all of their RFA years and none of their UFA years is so dis-advantageous to the signing team that the player would take a large pay cut to make it so. It would also be a terrible idea and an instantly-fireable offense on Cheveldayoff's part. It could also be noted that--in large part because it's a terrible idea--it never happens.

 

[CodeE]

But how many rumors don`t come true? Buff was rumored to be traded way more then Trouba was and we all know how that turned out. Just because there's fire doesn't mean that it will happen or that it won't, it just means that people like to conjecture and take any hint of a possible trade and let their imaginations run with it.

I think most Jets fans get frustrated and try and dismiss this rumor is that Trouba is a great young player that the team doesn't want to lose. So they say that these are just rumors that he will be traded (which is completely true) and that they would only want to trade him for a equivalent young defenseman (since that's the Jets biggest need). Of course very few offers are of that quality so Jets fans say we'd rather keep Trouba and those and it's just dumb rumors that he'd be traded.

What makes it different then those other rumors is that the team has only ever said they want to sign Trouba, and the fact that he is the biggest team need (it's not like the Jets are overflowing with young defensemen).

The rumors with Buff were that he would either be resigned (for a sizable cap hit), traded, or walk via UFA. He ended up being resigned for a sizable cap hit. Trouba is now in a similar position, just subtract the "walk via UFA" option and add a "sit out until I get my money" and "sign an offer sheet".

And I disagree that Trouba is the biggest team need - Buff and Myers can easily be your RHD top-4 defensemen, provided Myers doesn't come back a different player after all the surgeries this offseason. LHD? Different story entirely, but the team isn't going to have a massive hole in their lineup if they trade Trouba - similar to how the Islanders could have managed a Boychuk/Pulock top-4 if Hamonic did end up getting traded. Winnipeg needs LHD and a #1 center.

Did you read my post earlier? Every single scrap of speculation comes from one article. And that article was debunked by Trouba's agent as false.

Winnipeg has no issues forcing Trouba to play here until we decide to trade him or until he leaves via UFA. We've done it before with Evander Kane, and we will do it again with Jacob Trouba if need be.

He has no bargaining power. We own him. And if he doesn't want to sign a contract, he can sit until he does. We can be patient. It's kind of our thing. It's really not a big deal.

"Well every single Trouba rumor is based on this one article which is totally bogus!"

It just seems like faulty reasoning, handwaving away every single Trouba rumor by associating it to one that was debunked by Trouba's agent, and player agents are always known to speak the absolute truth and not do whats best for their client, right?

Sitting out is a possibility, however that's a bad road to go down. I see the situation ending in one of a few ways:

1. Trouba gets his money and resigns long-term
2. Trouba gets traded
3. Trouba and Chevy play a cat-and-mouse game and see who breaks first

What I don't see is:

1. Chevy convinces Trouba to sign for a sweetheart deal, no matter how long the term is.

 

[Maukkis]

And I disagree that Trouba is the biggest team need - Buff and Myers can easily be your RHD top-4 defensemen, provided Myers doesn't come back a different player after all the surgeries this offseason. LHD? Different story entirely, but the team isn't going to have a massive hole in their lineup if they trade Trouba - similar to how the Islanders could have managed a Boychuk/Pulock top-4 if Hamonic did end up getting traded. Winnipeg needs LHD and a #1 center.

XXX-Buff
XXX-Myers
Nogier-XXX

When you say "trading Trouba isn't leaving a massive hole in Winnipeg's line-up", I immediately think of this. The pairings above is what we have signed for 18-19 season. Big Buff, 33 years old and hopefully still going strong enough to hold the fort down. Myers, 28 and one year away from UFA. Nelson Nogier, a prospect with zero NHL experience as of now. That's all.

The X's should be filled by our prospects. The problem is, our defense pipeline is shocking. After Morrissey and Stanley, there's practically nothing worth mentioning. If we assume that Morrissey can fill the second pairing LHD role and Stanley can fill the remaining RHD role, we're still looking at a glaring hole in our top pairing (and even that's a long shot, since defensemen are more or less a crapshoot), and another hole when Myers leaves next season (Laine and Wheeler have to be re-signed in 2019, when Myers' contract ends, so he is gone for good) in our top 4.

Long story short: we can't let go of Trouba without getting another one back, it's that simple. The hole might not be there next season, or even the season after that. But when Enstrom goes to UFA (can't see him returning due to the cap space we need after signing all of our young guns in a few seasons), then we would start to feel the consequences.

 

[Whileee]

The rumors with Buff were that he would either be resigned (for a sizable cap hit), traded, or walk via UFA. He ended up being resigned for a sizable cap hit. Trouba is now in a similar position, just subtract the "walk via UFA" option and add a "sit out until I get my money" and "sign an offer sheet".

And I disagree that Trouba is the biggest team need - Buff and Myers can easily be your RHD top-4 defensemen, provided Myers doesn't come back a different player after all the surgeries this offseason. LHD? Different story entirely, but the team isn't going to have a massive hole in their lineup if they trade Trouba - similar to how the Islanders could have managed a Boychuk/Pulock top-4 if Hamonic did end up getting traded. Winnipeg needs LHD and a #1 center.

"Well every single Trouba rumor is based on this one article which is totally bogus!"

It just seems like faulty reasoning, handwaving away every single Trouba rumor by associating it to one that was debunked by Trouba's agent, and player agents are always known to speak the absolute truth and not do whats best for their client, right?

Sitting out is a possibility, however that's a bad road to go down. I see the situation ending in one of a few ways:

1. Trouba gets his money and resigns long-term
2. Trouba gets traded
3. Trouba and Chevy play a cat-and-mouse game and see who breaks first

What I don't see is:

1. Chevy convinces Trouba to sign for a sweetheart deal, no matter how long the term is.

Chevy doesn't need to sign Trouba for a "sweetheart deal", just a fair one. They've drafted and developed Trouba and now are in the position to sign a young, top-end defenseman to a fair, long-term contract. They've managed their cap space for just this situation. Still, Chevy is very methodical in contract negotiations and other players have referred to him as a "grinder" in negotiations. He's not much different from Snow in that regard.

There were a ton of rumours that started after Campbell's ridiculous article about the contract demands of Ladd, Buff and Trouba. Most early rumours suggested that the Jets would sign Ladd and trade Buff. They signed Buff for 40% less than his rumoured asking price (total salary). They traded Ladd. The echo chamber around Trouba continues, but I think you should acknowledge that a lot of this is originating outside of Winnipeg, quite possibly stirred up by other teams that would love to pry Trouba away from the Jets.

It's quite normal for teams to be negotiating through the summer with RFAs. Trouba is far from the only player in that situation - Lindholm, Ristolainen, Barrie, Ceci, Monahan, Gaudreau, just to name some.

I find it quite ironic that this discussion is occurring in this thread, considering all of the drama around Hamonic over the past year that ended up being much ado about nothing.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Hamonic isn't going anywhere.

 

[Say What]

You guys can keep claiming only one debunked article is relevant... have you ever heard of the expression "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

We heard all sorts of rumors that Chia might look to trade Hall/RNH for defense, Oiler fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their assets, eventually they traded Hall for Larsson.

We heard all sorts of rumors that Montreal management wanted to move Subban before his NMC kicked in, Habs fans brushed them off or demanded an overpayment for their asset, eventually they traded Subban for Weber.

We heard very few rumors about, say, Seth Jones being moved, other than some Oiler fans saying how great it would be to offer sheet him and not have Columbus match. Sure, part of it is due to Canadian markets having a ton more coverage than Ohio, but Jones signed his extension without any problems being reported.

Now, we're hearing all sorts of rumors that Winnipeg management is having trouble getting Trouba to agree. Jets fans are brushing them off, demanding an overpayment for their player, or saying things like "if he signs a 4 year deal it'll be for a less cap hit than Hamonic because I say so".

Do you get where I'm coming from? The two previous situations, fanbases swore up and down that everything was fine, all the rumormongers were making up lies about their players for pageviews, same old rhetoric. In both cases, eventually the player got moved, at a price many fans weren't happy with.

Now, Jets fans are making the same claims: everything is fine, the rumormongers are making up lies for pageviews, nobody knows what they're talking about except us. Considering what JUST happened with Hall and what just happened with Subban, what exactly makes this situation so radically different from Hall/Subban? I haven't heard any logical argument to counter that, just a lot of "well every single Trouba rumor is based on this one article which is totally bogus!" which I've heard before.

I would say, age & status. Jacob Trouba is a 22 year old RFA. Hall (25), Larrson (24), Weber (31) and Subban (27) don't really compare to this kind of negotiation.

Young, talented players, under team control (RFA Status), are extremely valuable assets. Jacob's size and the position he plays, just increases the demand (if he were to be put on the market), IMO.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Only, no we wouldn't. Trouba >>hamonic. Trouba still improving too..

I've said this on multiple occasions to my own Islander fans. Trouba is absolutely as good as Hamonic right now, maybe even a little bit better. Advanced stats echo this. I would have been thrilled if Trouba was the return for Hamonic back when we seemed to be forced to make a trade. However, the fact that Hamonic has such a great salary and Trouba will almost certainly make more in his next contract puts their value much closer to even.

I'd like to sum up these thought by saying, yes I think Trouba is a little bit better than Hamonic. Yes, I think the value is similar and Jets definitely wouldn't have to add to get the trade. No, I don't think the Jets would be smart making that trade with Trouba's ceiling.

Part of the reason Hamonic's value is sky high in Islander's fans minds is because of his draft position and him far exceeding his ceiling, however, that doesn't mean he's suddenly better than Trouba. Trouba was a higher draft pick, with a higher ceiling and is still developing. Hamonic's proven a valuable draft pick where he was selected. That's where the conversation should stop though.

 

[snowkiddin]

The rumors with Buff were that he would either be resigned (for a sizable cap hit), traded, or walk via UFA. He ended up being resigned for a sizable cap hit. Trouba is now in a similar position, just subtract the "walk via UFA" option and add a "sit out until I get my money" and "sign an offer sheet".

And I disagree that Trouba is the biggest team need - Buff and Myers can easily be your RHD top-4 defensemen, provided Myers doesn't come back a different player after all the surgeries this offseason. LHD? Different story entirely, but the team isn't going to have a massive hole in their lineup if they trade Trouba - similar to how the Islanders could have managed a Boychuk/Pulock top-4 if Hamonic did end up getting traded. Winnipeg needs LHD and a #1 center.

The reason that those were the rumours with Buff is because those were literally the only 3 ways it could've played out. Either he's resigned, walks or is traded.

While the LHD part is correct, the Jets are not in dire need of a 1C. We have Schief and Little and while they aren't Sidney Crosby, they'll suffice much in the way that Boychuk and Pulock would suffice in the NYI top 4. This is completely anecdotal of course, but it might explain why some Jet fans would really only trade Trouba for an equally good and young LHD.

 

[CREW99AW]

I've said this on multiple occasions to my own Islander fans. Trouba is absolutely as good as Hamonic right now, maybe even a little bit better. Advanced stats echo this. I would have been thrilled if Trouba was the return for Hamonic back when we seemed to be forced to make a trade. However, the fact that Hamonic has such a great salary and Trouba will almost certainly make more in his next contract puts their value much closer to even.

I'd like to sum up these thought by saying, yes I think Trouba is a little bit better than Hamonic. Yes, I think the value is similar and Jets definitely wouldn't have to add to get the trade. No, I don't think the Jets would be smart making that trade with Trouba's ceiling.

Part of the reason Hamonic's value is sky high in Islander's fans minds is because of his draft position and him far exceeding his ceiling, however, that doesn't mean he's suddenly better than Trouba. Trouba was a higher draft pick, with a higher ceiling and is still developing. Hamonic's proven a valuable draft pick where he was selected. That's where the conversation should stop though.

My issue with a Trouba for Hamonic swap, is that sources like E. Friedman indicate Trouba will be a difficult signing, that he wants to be paid more for his potential then actual on ice accomplishments.
And don't dismiss the rep and MO of Trouba's agent, who has had several other rfa clients involved in drawn out and messy contract battles.

I would love to have Trouba, think he has terrific upside, but not would not give up Hamonic signed for 4 more yrs ( with a $3.8m caphit).
Too much risk in a holdout imo.

 

[Brock Radunske]

OMG. I just heard a Lawless interview and he said Trouba is a top 4 defenceman. What an insult to the great Jacob Trouba!

 

[CupHolders]

Still, Chevy is very methodical in contract negotiations and other players have referred to him as a "grinder" in negotiations. He's not much different from Snow in that regard.

Just out of curiosity... Do the Jets have the same policy as the Isles regarding unsigned players by the start of training camp... All negotiations cease and the player is left unsigned for the entire season?

 

[Evil Little]

Just out of curiosity... Do the Jets have the same policy as the Isles regarding unsigned players by the start of training camp... All negotiations cease and the player is left unsigned for the entire season?

Why would the Jets do that?

Talk about injuring yourself through spite...have they actually backed that up at all?

 

[Maukkis]

Just out of curiosity... Do the Jets have the same policy as the Isles regarding unsigned players by the start of training camp... All negotiations cease and the player is left unsigned for the entire season?

I don't think it has happened during the Jets 2.0 lifespan.

 

[PWJunior]

Why would the Jets do that?

Talk about injuring yourself through spite...have they actually backed that up at all?

Sean Bergenheim. He had to play overseas and then came back the next season for the Isles.

Now that Wang is no longer in charge, not sure this policy is still in play though.