Speculation: Jets-Islanders...Hamonic-Trouba

[Mortimer Snerd]

I know that is apparently "off the table" on the Hamonic side, but if it was a possibility, how does it get evened up?

It was never on the table from Trouba side.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That doesn't mean it was offered. Chevy would have had to have been out of his mind to offer Trouba for Hamonic. It is just wrong on so many levels.

 

[JetsHomer]

Nicely played.

I think Edmonton has to add though. Eberle, Yak, and Fayne for Trouba. That's fair.

Haha

 

[sully1410]

Okay so it's Eberle for Trouba and Hamonic stays in Brooklyn, Yeah nice 3-way here. If Trouba is heading for Edmonton then at least Nurse is going to Winnipeg that is what Kevin Cheveldayoff would be seeking he needs LHD not more Wingers.

I'm pretty sure that that is the joke man.

 

[CREW99AW]

So who said Trouba here? The deal was Travis Hamonic for Jordan Eberle and Hamonic rescinded his trade request.

The deal was never Eberle for Hamonic.

Multiple credible sources, were saying as far back as Nov. that the isles had no interest in Eberle for Hamonic.

 

[Golden Gophers 4649]

Jets would need to add a significant piece to make this deal based on Trouba's salary demands vs. Hamonic's reasonable contract.

 

[Huffer]

Jets would need to add a significant piece to make this deal based on Trouba's salary demands vs. Hamonic's reasonable contract.

Not really. How much do you think Trouba would be able to get if he only signed for 4 years? IOW, 0 UFA years? Probably less than Hamonic currently makes.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Jets would need to add a significant piece to make this deal based on Trouba's salary demands vs. Hamonic's reasonable contract.

No because Trouba > Hamonic derrrrr (I'm in agreement with you, but the add doesn't have to be significant).

Not really. How much do you think Trouba would be able to get if he only signed for 4 years? IOW, 0 UFA years? Probably less than Hamonic currently makes.

There's no way on a 4 year deal that Trouba takes less than what Hamonic is making.

 

[SoupaTroupa]

ladd for trouba

wait wot

I think this was actually a proposal on here a week or so ago.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The deal was never Eberle for Hamonic.

Multiple credible sources, were saying as far back as Nov. that the isles had no interest in Eberle for Hamonic.

Okay so there was an offering mentioning a possible Eberle for Hamonic deal but Snow didn't want Eberle or something like that then.

 

[CodeE]

Not really. How much do you think Trouba would be able to get if he only signed for 4 years? IOW, 0 UFA years? Probably less than Hamonic currently makes.

All season long we've been hearing rumors that Trouba's salary demands were fine, coupled with Jets fans saying everything is hunky dory and he'll take a sweetheart deal when he resigns.

Considering Oiler fans spent all season ignoring the rumors that their veteran forwards were "damaged goods" and insisted that they could quite easily land a Pietrangelo/Subban level defenseman for Taylor "Untouchable" Hall, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the rumors that Trouba's contract negotiations have been difficult.

 

[Whileee]

All season long we've been hearing rumors that Trouba's salary demands were fine, coupled with Jets fans saying everything is hunky dory and he'll take a sweetheart deal when he resigns.

Considering Oiler fans spent all season ignoring the rumors that their veteran forwards were "damaged goods" and insisted that they could quite easily land a Pietrangelo/Subban level defenseman for Taylor "Untouchable" Hall, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the rumors that Trouba's contract negotiations have been difficult.

Contract negotiations are often difficult, but the Jets hold all the cards and will offer a fair deal. Trouba is far from the only prominent RFA that is still negotiating...

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Rakell
Ceci
Ristolainen
Barrie
etc.

It's a bit early to draw conclusions about where negotiations stand.

The reality is that good young D (especially RHD) hold huge value, which is the main lesson behind the Hall for Larsson deal.

 

[CodeE]

Contract negotiations are often difficult, but the Jets hold all the cards and will offer a fair deal. Trouba is far from the only prominent RFA that is still negotiating...

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Rakell
Ceci
Ristolainen
Barrie
etc.

It's a bit early to draw conclusions about where negotiations stand.

The reality is that good young D (especially RHD) hold huge value, which is the main lesson behind the Hall for Larsson deal.

The only other player on that list rumored to be engaged in difficult negotiations is Barrie though. Haven't heard a peep about any of the other guys.

 

[Homesick]

Jets would be adding a lot to Trouba to get Hamonic. Hamonic has proven he can handle #2 minutes and will most likely be significantly cheaper very soon

 

[JetsHomer]

The only other player on that list rumored to be engaged in difficult negotiations is Barrie though. Haven't heard a peep about any of the other guys.

Why aren't they signed yet then?

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Trouba has the potential to be better.

Hamonic is better right now and on a sweet contract. He's apparently happy to stay in NY and he fits the team and has been there from the start.

Why trade the known commodity on the bargain contract for the guy who has the potential to be an upgrade, but currently isn't, yet will demand a fat contract before he ever suits up?

 

[sully1410]

Jets would be adding a lot to Trouba to get Hamonic. Hamonic has proven he can handle #2 minutes and will most likely be significantly cheaper very soon

Nope. Trouba is already as good if not better than Hamonic.

 

[CodeE]

Why aren't they signed yet then?

The time it takes to negotiate with a player and the difficulty of dealing with a player who is being unreasonable with their contract demands are two entirely different things.

 

[JetsHomer]

The time it takes to negotiate with a player and the difficulty of dealing with a player who is being unreasonable with their contract demands are two entirely different things.

And you have zero clue as to the reasons for any player that is yet unsigned, including Trouba. So why speculate on Trouba constantly when there are other high proflie RFAs that don't look any closer to new deals

 

[broc]

Jets would be adding a lot to Trouba to get Hamonic. Hamonic has proven he can handle #2 minutes and will most likely be significantly cheaper very soon

Only, no we wouldn't. Trouba >>hamonic. Trouba still improving too..

 

[CodeE]

And you have zero clue as to the reasons for any player that is yet unsigned, including Trouba. So why speculate on Trouba constantly when there are other high proflie RFAs that don't look any closer to new deals

At many points during the year I was told by Oilers fans that every rumor against them was nonsense, that I had to prove that Taylor Hall wouldn't easily get Subban and Pietrangelo if the Oilers decided to make him available.

Waving off every rumor with "you don't know that for sure, you have zero clue about anything, it'll happen the way I want it to just you see" sets yourself up for disappointment down the line.

 

[JetsHomer]

At many points during the year I was told by Oilers fans that every rumor against them was nonsense, that I had to prove that Taylor Hall wouldn't easily get Subban and Pietrangelo if the Oilers decided to make him available.

Waving off every rumor with "you don't know that for sure, you have zero clue about anything, it'll happen the way I want it to just you see" sets yourself up for disappointment down the line.

What rumours are you referring too? Campbell's throughly debunked article? That's what started all this Trouba talk, its getting frustrating to read how little information people actually seem to have when they claim Trouba wants out of Winnipeg

believing evert baseless thing you read on the internet is actually much more likely to lead in to disappointment in the long run, but good try friend

 

[CodeE]

What rumours are you referring too? Campbell's throughly debunked article? That's what started all this Trouba talk, its getting frustrating to read how little information people actually seem to have when they claim Trouba wants out of Winnipeg

believing evert baseless thing you read on the internet is actually much more likely to lead in to disappointment in the long run, but good try friend

Subban was another guy with a ton of "baseless things on the internet" being said about him, a fanbase firmly stating that everything was fine and he wasn't getting traded. What happened there?

Face it, respected hockey journalists (not Eklund or @hotNHLhockeyrumors) don't really make things up out of thin air. More often than not, fans like yourself deny those negative rumors with every ounce of their being til reality hits them in the face.

 

[JetsHomer]

Subban was another guy with a ton of "baseless things on the internet" being said about him, a fanbase firmly stating that everything was fine and he wasn't getting traded. What happened there?

Face it, respected hockey journalists (not Eklund or @hotNHLhockeyrumors) don't really make things up out of thin air. More often than not, fans like yourself deny those negative rumors with every ounce of their being til reality hits them in the face.

Are you actually trying to tell me that Campbell article is legit? He straight up took players who were being mentioned as comparables to Jets UFAs and said the Jets were demanding the same contracts as them. He used Seabrook for Byfuglien, Kesler for Ladd and Doughty for Trouba. Byfuglien signed for 40% less than what Campbell said he was asking for. Ladd signed a 7 year 5.5 as opposed to his reported asking if 6.8 over 6. Trouba agent immediately discounted the demand.

If you want to want to believe Campbell's wack article go ahead. Some healthy scepticism on the internet goes along way my friend

 

[CodeE]

Are you actually trying to tell me that Campbell article is legit? He straight up took players who were being mentioned as comparables to Jets UFAs and said the Jets were demanding the same contracts as them. He used Seabrook for Byfuglien, Kesler for Ladd and Doughty for Trouba. Byfuglien signed for 40% less than what Campbell said he was asking for. Ladd signed a 7 year 5.5 as opposed to his reported asking if 6.8 over 6. Trouba agent immediately discounted the demand.

If you want to want to believe Campbell's wack article go ahead. Some healthy scepticism on the internet goes along way my friend

I don't even know what the "Campbell article" is. However, if I do a google search for Jacob Trouba and then click on the news tab, some interesting articles pop up. Some of the recent articles include headlines like:

"Rumour: Boston Bruins prepping monster offer sheet for Jacob Trouba
Arctic Ice Hockey (blog)-Jun 29, 2016"

"Replacing Jacob Trouba
The Hockey Writers-Jun 17, 2016"

"The trouble with Trouba trade talk
Winnipeg Free Press-Jun 22, 2016"

"Trouba's contract negotiations with the Winnipeg Jets could prove fascinating
MetroNews Canada-Jun 16, 2016"

But I guess if you refute the "Campbell article" it proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Trouba will resign for less money than Hamonic makes, right? Things couldn't possibly go wrong for your franchise, only all the other franchises.