Post-Game Talk: Jets go on vacation early lose 3-1

[Atoyot]

Yes it does , it’s completely different. We had the puck ffs. It’s not like Ville sold out on some gamble to keep the puck in and got burned. That would be entirely on him. He passed the puck to PLD, stepped around his man to get a return pass, was in complete position to do so and got a waist high return pass for his troubles. He made a great read and PLD made a shit play.

Yep. We had complete control. Ville drew two Flyers to himself. Dubois had the option to put it anywhere, to anybody else, but he gave it back to Heinola. And you know what? That probably would have been fine as well if he had put it anywhere that Heinola's stick could reach.

I genuinely don't understand how anybody can solely blame Heinola for somebody else completely giving up the puck when we had full possession. Dubois had 4 or 5 options apart from floating a puck 3 feet in the air to the area that he knew Heinola was pinching in from. Put some blame on Heinola if you want but at least acknowledge that Dubois' play was awful.

Honestly before that happened I was thinking that Heinola had been the best Jet of the game. He had single handedly saved goals, thwarted break ins, and created opportunities every time he was on the ice. It just sucks that him being genuinely good all game will be overshadowed by that one play.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets need to do a real sale, not just ufas

Sell who?
PLD?
KFC?
Fly?
Morrissey?

Can't sell Wheeler.

What's left that's worth anything?
Scheifele and Hellebuyck.
Sell Helle and bring Pavelec back out of retirement?

 

[Jet]

There was something about that powerplay that lost our focus... the PP itself was very static and perimeter - it was a Maurice scheme. After that, we chipped and chased the whole game.

I really like Lowry's system but he is in exactly the same rut as Maurice - overplaying PP1 and ditching our 4th line and 3rd pair. He's losing me a bit.

I might be biased - but I see it with Scheif every game where he has an opportunity to change, doesn't and then eventually coasts to the bench... the other players must see it too.

Maybe a PP of
Connor-Copp-Scheif
Jomo-PLD
Perfetti-Stas-Wheeler
Schmidt-Pionk

I actually thought the pp was pretty dangerous.

What lost the game for the Jets is that they inexplicably stopped skating, challenging, forechecking and winning puck battles.

They basically went into a shell and didn't look like they wanted to have the puck or play anymore.

The first goal the Flyers scored was a result of an issue the Jets have had for 3 seasons now, the ability to make basic plays to get the puck out at our blueline.

I swear Scheifele turns the puck over in this critical area more than any player I've seen in recent memory.

 

[WolfHouse]

I actually thought the pp was pretty dangerous.

What lost the game for the Jets is that they inexplicably stopped skating, challenging, forechecking and winning puck battles.

They basically went into a shell and didn't look like they wanted to have the puck or play anymore.

The first goal the Flyers scored was a result of an issue the Jets have had for 3 seasons now, the ability to make basic plays to get the puck out at our blueline.

I swear Scheifele turns the puck over in this critical area more than any player I've seen in recent memory.

Wheeler turned that power play back into a Maurice one timer across the slot PP - intentionally or not

Lowry was getting a lot of cycling and movement in his PP before wheeler was back - now that’s gone

after that the team played chip and chase and we all know how that ends…

 

[Ducky10]

I don't know about that, I thought Cole made a number of good nz plays in the third period and was one of the reasons we got zone time.

Wasn’t much happening in the 3rd imo. They all struggled with F3 tracking them back hard, Cole included. I think it’s just ultimately part of his growth, he’ll adjust and in the long run it will be good for him. Would help all of them if they had an actual plan though.

 

[surixon]

Wasn’t much happening in the 3rd imo. They all struggled with F3 tracking them back hard, Cole included. I think it’s just ultimately part of his growth, he’ll adjust and in the long run it will be good for him. Would help all of them if they had an actual plan though.[/QUOTE

No disagreements on lack of a plan. Given the mess we are most nights hard to really know ehat type of coach we need. Do we need a motivator, a real strong systems guy etc.

 

[None]

Thanks for posting. I’ll put this on at work tomorrow.

There's a pretty critical discussion during the Kenny & Renny show where they have Jeff Hamilton on. Jeff Hamilton outright says that he thinks there's a laissez-faire attitude on the team. Sean Reynolds has a bit of a hot take bringing up the Toronto game but Hamilton follows it up with the talk about the team making excuses that I mostly agreed with.


Also I intentionally watch later so I can watch at 1.5-2x speed, I'd recommend doing the same

 

[tbcwpg]

One more goal in the 2nd and they win that. They had no finish again and looked scared to lose at 1-1.

Top line (Dubois) was good, the rest not so much. Hellebuyck pretty good. PK actually alright. PP had a couple of good looks.

Lowry is just Maurice again. Seems to want to get 26 and 55 going at the expense of the results of the team.

 

[JetsFan815]

Yes, because it was Harkins who made the mistake by not recognizing Heinola was taking the free space and went there himself instead of continuing his path to the blueline, and then the mistake was compounded because Dubois' pass essentially went to Heinola's waistline.

Stop. Harkins momentum is from right to left, he is opening himself up for a shot if Dubois gets the puck to the middle where he would have a good scoring chance. Heinola needs to have better judgement in that situation. Dubois pass was bad and deserves as much blame

All d-men make bad pinches, Buff made tons of bad pinches. Morrissey had a string of them before he went into covid protocol.

 

[surixon]

One more goal in the 2nd and they win that. They had no finish again and looked scared to lose at 1-1.

Top line (Dubois) was good, the rest not so much. Hellebuyck pretty good. PK actually alright. PP had a couple of good looks.

Lowry is just Maurice again. Seems to want to get 26 and 55 going at the expense of the results of the team.

They need to get Wheeler away from Scheifele imo. When Fly gets back they need to move Blake to the third line where he should be now.

 

[Duke749]

Missed the game tonight but seems that was a bit of a blessing. Great to see the level headedness around here though.

 

[snowkiddin]

Missed the game tonight but seems that was a bit of a blessing. Great to see the level headedness around here though.

Did you see Spider-Man yet?

 

[JetsFan815]

Adam Lowry isn't cutting it as a 3rd line C... granted he has had a rotating cast of characters on his wing but you'd want more production from a 3C.

Get Svechnikov back in the lineup. Whatever he did to get in the doghouse and get scratched enough! Put him in the lineup, he's better than a good chunk of players on the bottom-6.

Lowry should have put Stastny on that Scheifele line after they generated so little in the first 2 periods.

 

[gojetsgo]

Adam Lowry isn't cutting it as a 3rd line C... granted he has had a rotating cast of characters on his wing but you'd want more production from a 3C.

Get Svechnikov back in the lineup. Whatever he did to get in the doghouse and get scratched enough! Put him in the lineup, he's better than a good chunk of players on the bottom-6.

Lowry should have put Stastny on that Scheifele line after they generated so little in the first 2 periods.

the thing that pisses me off most about this team is that the past 2 years we could have ran pld-scheif-stastny-lowry down the middle and haven't tried that once...

 

[Duke749]

Stop. Harkins momentum is from right to left, he is opening himself up for a shot if Dubois gets the puck to the middle where he would have a good scoring chance. Heinola needs to have better judgement in that situation. Dubois pass was bad and deserves as much blame

All d-men make bad pinches, Buff made tons of bad pinches. Morrissey had a string of them before he went into covid protocol.

I saw that play, and while calling it a “pinch” isn’t really wrong, it was pretty clearly a give and go play that happens all the time in hockey.

People have become so emotionally upset over this stretch of games that people aren’t thinking clearly and just lashing out at the easiest player to blame when something doesn’t go right. And a lot hasn’t been going right. So when we’re so close to things working out, and a mistake is made(or even not made) and things go south, people just blow up without actually assessing the whole situation from a level perspective.

 

[Duke749]

Did you see Spider-Man yet?

Oh yeh! Happened awhile back actually. But no I was working. I work in a restaurant now so I’ll miss some games. At least until ESPN+ isn’t shit.

 

[Duke749]

the thing that pisses me off most about this team is that the past 2 years we could have ran pld-scheif-stastny-lowry down the middle and haven't tried that once...

I was gonna make a comment about maybe Stastny can’t be as effective anymore but then I remembered Copp and it wouldn’t matter either way. We could just put Copp at 3C and drop Lowry down…

 

[snowkiddin]

Oh yeh! Happened awhile back actually. But no I was working. I work in a restaurant now so I’ll miss some games. At least until ESPN+ isn’t shit.

And … what did you think (of Spider-Man, that is)?!

I sometimes miss Jets games for work too. I usually avoid the score and watch when I get home, but lately I’ve been checking the score when I get home to see if it’s worth watching.

 

[JetsFan815]

I saw that play, and while calling it a “pinch” isn’t really wrong, it was pretty clearly a give and go play that happens all the time in hockey.

People have become so emotionally upset over this stretch of games that people aren’t thinking clearly and just lashing out at the easiest player to blame when something doesn’t go right. And a lot hasn’t been going right. So when we’re so close to things working out, and a mistake is made(or even not made) and things go south, people just blow up without actually assessing the whole situation from a level perspective.

I am not blaming Heinola for this loss but the annoyance is more with those who try to find excuses for and blame other players when a player they are promoting makes a mistake. As I said every d-man is gonna be on the receiving end of a play like that, that doesn't make them bad... it's just annoying to see post after post of people defending that player and finding ways to blame others rather than accept it was an unfortunate play and move on.

If Stanley, Schmidt, Dillon or Pionk had made that play, there'd be posts criticizing them like they are inevitably going to be in a PGT after a loss like this but people would've moved on as no would have bothered coming up with contortions like 'It's Harkins' fault' to defend them.

I'd like for once for everyone to hold every player to the same standard and acknowledge what actually happened on the ice.

 

[JetsFan815]

Bingo, fairly controversial take for some reason.

Serious question: Are you defending that play so much if Stanley or Beaulieu had been the one at the receiving end?

 

[sipowicz]

On another note.. anyone see a trend here?
True North Youth Foundation - 50/50 Raffle Winners

how is that even possible?

 

[sipowicz]

Its baffling that Poganski passed Harkins on the DC... or that Ves is in the lineup and Svech is benched. That being said, not sure either one really change things if we keep this same line construction.

Piganski passed 3-4 of MO’s roster players and Piganski sucks, meaning Mo and Chevy’s turds suck even more! LOL

 

[Jets 31]

How can we be mad about 1 play so much when we should be absolutely livid at our shity play from our captain and assistant captain. I want Heinola to press for offense, that's why we drafted the guy. Bad pass from Dubois but i ain't going to bitch about 1 bad pass from 1 of our 2 best players this season. Copp and Wheeler wouldn't be 1st or 2nd line players on any of the good teams in the NHL so i feel for Scheifele in that regard. Having said that we need way more from Scheifele and i feel like i say that after every game now . 1 goal against one of the poorer teams in the NHL isn't near good enough , big changes are needed. Until Ehlers gets back move Stastny up with Scheifele and Wheeler and get Copp back to the 3rd line now. Man this has been a really shity winter.

 

[Jets 31]

And get Svetch back in the goddamn lineup, put him on a 3rd line with Copp and Lowry .

 

[AlphaLackey]

Whoever pinched on the 2-1 goal, nail his ass to the bench for the rest of the year. So damned disappointed we didn’t get a point out of this one

5 minutes left in a tied game, you're looking at an average of 1.5 points. Winning in regulation makes it 2, losing in regulation makes it 0. Just based on that alone, an O-zone gamble has to 3x likelier to net you a goal as to cost you one *just to break even*. Honestly, I can be at peace with a rookie not thinking like that. It's not like his is the play that cost us the game just because his disastrous choice was the one of many to backfire.

Remember all the times I've said that we shouldn't be results oriented in close games decided by a break where we carried the majority of the inputs?

Allow me to introduce you to the opposite: