Post-Game Talk: Jets get run over speed kills

[Jack722]

I think Maurice over-estimates the Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler combination. As a top line, they are under water in terms of CF%, xGF% and PenD. Ehlers makes that line a strong positive. The main problem with Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler is that they are all very passive in their own zone.

I think that Little needs to play with better puck possession players - his best work is with Perreault.

I'd move Laine to a line with Copp for a bit.

Agree about Petan.

You mean after Wheeler, of course.

 

[Jack722]

Posted this in the Laine thread as well but curious to know which underlying numbers PoMo has been looking at. Anyone have a guess?

The underlying number of times Scheifele and Wheeler have said that they prefer to play with Connor?

I don't see how Laine can have meaningful "underlying numbers" with those two, considering they only played together for what, a game or two?

 

[BoneDocUK]

Posted this in the Laine thread as well but curious to know which underlying numbers PoMo has been looking at. Anyone have a guess?

The underlying number of times Scheifele and Wheeler have said that they prefer to play with Connor?

I don't see how Laine can have meaningful "underlying numbers" with those two, considering they only played together for what, a game or two?

I'm thinking the number of Scheifele/Wheeler hugs that involve Laine? The on-the-pad scratchings of PoMo and his assistants during a game? Whatever numbers support a confirmation bias that has 55/26/not-29 as an optimum combo?

Is there any form of underlying numbers besides "crap" that recommend playing Morrow over, say, the mug I am presently sipping tea from?

 

[Whileee]

In the playoffs against a team with a lot of speed, we’d do well to dress Niku over. Chiarot. The backend has to be quick too. Having guys like Chia and Morrow is a recipe for disaster. Hope Maurice is flexible with that but we all know how much he loves some Chia.

Chiarot might be okay vs. a big team like the Preds, but if they run up against a team with jack-rabbits up front I worry that Chiarot will be overmatched by quickness. Niku might not be ready to handle playoff pace and pressure and physicality, but it's worth a try. He definitely won't be ready if he doesn't get some playing time down the stretch. That's why I think Maurice would be foolish not to give him a good run in the last 25 games. It's not like Morrow is a difference-maker, except negatively.

 

[Whileee]

I'm thinking the number of Scheifele/Wheeler hugs that involve Laine? The on-the-pad scratchings of PoMo and his assistants during a game? Whatever numbers support a confirmation bias that has 55/26/not-29 as an optimum combo?

Is there any form of underlying numbers besides "crap" that recommend playing Morrow over, say, the mug I am presently sipping tea from?

It's true that over the past 3 seasons Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler have had much better underlying numbers than Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler (looking at relCF% and relxGF%), but the CSW line has been poor this season. I wonder if some of that is usage. As I recall, last season the Lowry line got a ton of the top-line opponent match-ups, and it seems that Scheifele is facing more of those match-ups this season, but maybe that impression is wrong.

Whatever the case, CSW has been poor defensively this season.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I'm thinking the number of Scheifele/Wheeler hugs that involve Laine? The on-the-pad scratchings of PoMo and his assistants during a game? Whatever numbers support a confirmation bias that has 55/26/not-29 as an optimum combo?

Is there any form of underlying numbers besides "crap" that recommend playing Morrow over, say, the mug I am presently sipping tea from?

A mug?!!! Good gracious, I think you need a refresher on tea etiquette. Although, I'm afraid I must disagree about the pinkie.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yup. So long gone, those times, and yet it seems like it wasn't even a week ago that we were thumping teams so thoroughly that the hockey world was buzzing about it.

You left out the .
We have been winning, even without Buff and Ehlers - but I don't think we have ever been that Pack of Wolves team this year for even 1 game. Habs were just that last night and they beat us easily. 53 fricken' shots on goal!

 

[JetsFan815]

Yep. Wish I could put my finger on it. Also finding the games to be less enjoyable to watch

I can count the number of games in 2019 that I truly liked from start to finish on one hand, like 5 or 6 games. Almost every other game I have come out of being disappointed or outright pissed. Games are not much fun to watch when your top players are hemmed in their zone shift after shift and don't play in the dangerous areas of the ice.

 

[HannuJ]

Chiarot might be okay vs. a big team like the Preds, but if they run up against a team with jack-rabbits up front I worry that Chiarot will be overmatched by quickness. Niku might not be ready to handle playoff pace and pressure and physicality, but it's worth a try. He definitely won't be ready if he doesn't get some playing time down the stretch. That's why I think Maurice would be foolish not to give him a good run in the last 25 games. It's not like Morrow is a difference-maker, except negatively.

same shit as last year. i remember tweeting Wiebe or some writer about the concern i had with not giving Niku a few games at the end of the season. no one seemed worried.
It is smart line-up management to give the guy some games. really, what are we playing for? a deep playoff run. how do you get it? by working on your systems, finding the right line-up and getting some guys rest. especially now, with this crappy road trip (Helllllo two back-to-back afternoon road games!)

 

[PhilJets]

It's true that over the past 3 seasons Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler have had much better underlying numbers than Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler (looking at relCF% and relxGF%), but the CSW line has been poor this season. I wonder if some of that is usage. As I recall, last season the Lowry line got a ton of the top-line opponent match-ups, and it seems that Scheifele is facing more of those match-ups this season, but maybe that impression is wrong.

Whatever the case, CSW has been poor defensively this season.

Who has better numbers.

Ehlers Schiefele Laine
Or
Connor schiefele wheeler

That might be a better comparison.

Since laine Schiefele wheeler only spent 4 separate periods together in 2years.


My reasoning why they are not being separated (55&26) is
Wheeler is the veteran captain who is a top rw in the league so he stays in #1 line.
And Schiefele is the undisputed #1 center so maurice cant bump him down.

Then you got 2 pretty good left wingers.

Laine obviously is in tight spot to grow.

Im now more incline to drop him to the 3rd line with Copp maybe perrault on the lw.

I dont really know the answer but obviously he needs to have a different linemate specifically a C.

 

[AKAChip]

The underlying number of times Scheifele and Wheeler have said that they prefer to play with Connor?

I don't see how Laine can have meaningful "underlying numbers" with those two, considering they only played together for what, a game or two?

Maurice clearly doesn't know what "underlying" means.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Missed both games
Read through these PGT’s
Not ideal but as the saying goes you can’t win them all.
We have a very good team and coach*
At least I get to see the 2 weekend games

 

[Jets 31]

When Ehlers is back won't Maurice put him with Scheif and Wheeler again ? That moves Connor back with Laine and Little and they weren't very good . I really liked how Laine played for the 1st and 2nd periods , he was working hard and carrying the puck better but went back to the struggling Laine in the 3rd . Really no one played good except Helly , they better come out flying against Ottawa and work hard all game .

 

[PhilJets]

The underlying number of times Scheifele and Wheeler have said that they prefer to play with Connor?

I don't see how Laine can have meaningful "underlying numbers" with those two, considering they only played together for what, a game or two?

I dont think Wheeler and Schiefele have said that publically.
If they did thats not good ,as they wear letters for the team.

We know those 2 keeps saying how they love playin with each other all the time though.

 

[Jets 31]

Hi all,
Been reading this forum since the Nylander contract talks. Have never felt like posting anything until now. I'll preface my response by stating that I am a die-hard Habs fan, and have been for over 40 years.

That being said, your Jets team is a great team. I read a lot of comments here that they are playing crappy hockey and still winning. That to me is a GOOD thing. I have no doubt that when the 2nd season starts your Jets will be there, and they will be very tough to beat. Habs and Jets headed into last nights game 7-2-1 in the last 10, with the Jets playing ok as of late and the Habs playing close to the top of their capability. The Habs have to play their absolute best to win hockey games. The Jets don't, but when they do watch out. You have an OUTSTANDING goaltender, sufficient D (not GREAT, but good), and much better than average offense. They'll figure it out, I have no doubt. They ran into a hungry team last night who played the best game I've seen them play in a couple of seasons. I don't think anyone would have beaten Montreal last night. But that's not a level that Montreal can sustain. They have awesome work ethic, great speed, coached very well, but are not as skilled as the top teams in the league. When your Jets turn the jets on they are a formidable opponent, and I expect them to do that come playoff time. They are SECOND in a tough Western conference while not playing their best hockey. There's a lot to be said for that, and a lot for other teams to be afraid of. The Jets let Montreal play Montreal's game last night. They weren't physical. I doubt Winnipeg would allow Montreal to play like that in a meaningful game. I would not look forward to my Habs having to contend with your Jets in the playoffs. Well, I would, but I wouldn't be too confident in my team surviving a 7 game series.

Enjoy your team folks. They're good! And they will play better when the playoffs come.

GC

Thanks for the nice post and welcome to the crazy house HF Boards . Alot of us Jets fans expect the Jets to not win every game but at least show up for games and the odd time that the Jets don't it will get a little ugly in here . I went through losing the Jets so losing a game , while crappy as that is , isn't the end of the world . You guys have a good young team and a very good goalie , could make some noise in the playoffs . Just make sure you destroy CANADA'S team the Leafs .

 

[PhilJets]

When Ehlers is back won't Maurice put him with Scheif and Wheeler again ? That moves Connor back with Laine and Little and they weren't very good . I really liked how Laine played for the 1st and 2nd periods , he was working hard and carrying the puck better but went back to the struggling Laine in the 3rd . Really no one played good except Helly , they better come out flying against Ottawa and work hard all game .

Maybe he kept seeing line 1 sucking up and giving up all those goals and still they play waay more minutes. As usual.

So he gave up in the 3rd.


Im only kidding

 

[Tommigun]

I have zero faith going into the playoffs. The energy and drive just isn't there like it was in the past. Hopefully they can turn it on in the playoffs. Maybe when we were underdogs they played like they had something to prove, now they just coasting through the motions.

Why would the energy and drive be there in a game that doesn’t matter much? They have the luxury of not having to chase every single game. It is all good.

 

[Gil Fisher]

55-26 have even gotten 29 kicked off their pp unit.

 

[Duke749]

55-26 have even gotten 29 kicked off their pp unit.

 

[ps241]

same **** as last year. i remember tweeting Wiebe or some writer about the concern i had with not giving Niku a few games at the end of the season. no one seemed worried.
It is smart line-up management to give the guy some games. really, what are we playing for? a deep playoff run. how do you get it? by working on your systems, finding the right line-up and getting some guys rest. especially now, with this crappy road trip (Helllllo two back-to-back afternoon road games!)

What disappoints me is Joe Morrow is a placeholder at best. We should have been rotating Morrow and Niku since Sami really started to play well in his last set of games. I mean WTF they did this exact thing with the 4th line playing the unit hoping they would grow to be a solid unit by the playoffs.

Why not see how Niku grows he is not worse than Morrow now and Morrow doesn’t need the reps to be Ready for the seven spot? It’s a lost development opportunity because we might need Sami to beat the speed forecheck teams in the playoffs.

 

[John Agar]

Couldn't watch the last two games myself, travelling for business and only had my iPhone... No laptop.

With the Habs game I started texting with a buddy of mine who is a die hard Habs fan - and last year cheered for the Jets through the playoffs - I invited him to jump on the bandwagon....

I read this thread as I listened on the internet radio on my iPhone while texting with him...

And he pretty much had the same opinions as the core group of HF Jets posters...

He was like "Whats wrong with the Jets"... ?

He was equally mystified and disheartened as he is really now a Jets fan and knows the Jets are so much better than what he saw...

The Jets sure know how to kill excitement in a fan base...

Like someone said earlier "they are so good at times and equally so bad other times" or something to that effect.

 

[KingBogo]

Sorry but there is way too much angst around here that the Jets aren't playing well enough in early February so they have no chance at the Cup. Recent history doesn't support this in the least. Actually it is much more common for a team to fumble along during the regular season, make the playoffs, focus and get their s*** together and go on a run. The last 10 season cup winners and point totals:

Capitals - 105
Pens - 111
Pens - 104
Hawks - 102
Kings - 100
Hawks - 77 (Lockout)
Kings - 95
Bruins - 103
Hawks - 112
Pens - 99

Not counting the lockout season the average point total of the Stanley cup winner was 103.4 points. We are on a 107.8 pace. And no these teams were not all analytics darlings. Get to the playoffs healthy, peak at the right time and get good goaltending a team as talented as the Jets has a good a shot as anyone.

 

[Peggy]

I dont understanmnd why even havent seen any mix up of lines in the top 6

I get scheifele and wheeler like to play together, but winning at any form should be just as important

Even if that means driving your own lines

I also understand having an elite top line, but the jets have enough skilled players to go around

Pittsburgh has an elite player on their first 2 lines
Crosby
Malkin

Scheifele
Wheeler
Could be a combo like that

I just would like to see it an action for awhile

Connor little wheeler?
Ehlers scheifele laine?

Or
Laine little wheeler
Connor scheifele ehlers

 

[tbcwpg]

I dont understanmnd why even havent seen any mix up of lines in the top 6

I get scheifele and wheeler like to play together, but winning at any form should be just as important

Even if that means driving your own lines

I also understand having an elite top line, but the jets have enough skilled players to go around

Pittsburgh has an elite player on their first 2 lines
Crosby
Malkin

Scheifele
Wheeler
Could be a combo like that

I just would like to see it an action for awhile

Connor little wheeler?
Ehlers scheifele laine?

Or
Laine little wheeler
Connor scheifele ehlers

Crosby and Malkin are both centres, but otherwise, some mix up could happen. Right now, without Ehlers, it's a bit tougher to make effective lineups, and despite this result, they have been pretty good. They were 8-4-0 in January, 9-5-1 since the new year started.

 

[Peggy]

Crosby and Malkin are both centres, but otherwise, some mix up could happen. Right now, without Ehlers, it's a bit tougher to make effective lineups, and despite this result, they have been pretty good. They were 8-4-0 in January, 9-5-1 since the new year started.

I understand they're both centers

An elite winger should still be able.to drive they're own line

They would still have top 6 talent support
Both ehlers and connor are legit top 6 players
Laine has been, but not so much lately
And little is still a good center

I think separating them would create 2 strong lines. And if they dont theb maybe they're not as good as we think they are