Post-Game Talk: Jets drop Game 1

[Do or Die]

I can’t find an answer why Stastny didn’t play yesterday. Does any one know why?

Nope....and can't give any details about the other 12 guys or so...

 

[Crocket]

Honestly, Lowery and Stanley were our best players, maybe Josh too. If Demelo is out, I hope not, I think we need to run
JOMO - Pionk
Heinola - Forbert
Stanley - Poolman

 

[snowkiddin]

When did they change the Charging rule. The rulebook from the 70s in my head.

For sure it's charging by the definitions posted above.

I actually don't mind the play but the outcome was bad and with NHL being all about optics no surprise as to the reaction. He'll get 2 I think.

The way some of these guys leave themselves exposed is a big part of the problem. They play like they have no idea they could get legally smoked by a check.

I think Evans assumed the Jets had quit on the play. You can’t assume that in a National Hockey League playoff game.

 

[Crocket]

Aside from the hit, the Jets were pretty awful...after watching the Colorado-Vegas game though, I don't think there's any way we can hang with those teams. Hell, we can't really hang with the Habs.

I disagree, I think we played poorly but it was 4-3. If we play our A game, Habs will have a tough time. I just hope the emotions don't get out of control.

 

[kanadalainen]

Scheifele not offered an in-person hearing, so the max is five games. I’ll say Parros’s dart hits the two game suspension mark (no pun intended) but who knows

What is the max for an in-person hearing?

Mental health day???

We could all use one after this game.

It will be 5 and he will appeal and it will drop to 3. Why? The media has already decided they are judge jury executioner. Headline on Sportsnet has the word predatory hit. Like C'mon. He was trying to stop a goal down by 1 with enough time to tie the game and even win it still In regulation. I think they have to take in to account that the puck bounced on Evans a bit and he kind of put himself in to a vulnerable position.

I scanned the media this morning, also saw the persistent use of the term "predatory". If Schief is out for long it will take a massive effort by the Jets to take this series.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Honestly, Lowery and Stanley were our best players, maybe Josh too. If Demelo is out, I hope not, I think we need to run
JOMO - Pionk
Heinola - Forbert
Stanley - Poolman

Stanley had his worst game as a Jet. Heinola should be in instead as Montreal is skilled fast and small. Stanley kept going for the big hit all game and it actually cost us the 2nd goal.

This game showed me that we have 3 legit NHL d and they are Josh Pionk and Demelo cuz when Demelo got hurt 29 seconds in....the D went to crap pretty quick.

 

[Crocket]

Optional practice is at 12 central. I think the call with DPS is before that. Should have Demelo update as well.

 

[Crocket]

Stanley had his worst game as a Jet. Heinola should be in instead as Montreal is skilled fast and small. Stanley kept going for the big hit all game and it actually cost us the 2nd goal.

This game showed me that we have 3 legit NHL d and they are Josh Pionk and Demelo cuz when Demelo got hurt 29 seconds in....the D went to crap pretty quick.

Disagree. His passing and possession was fine, and the entire team was off their game. Losing Demelo was brutal obviously.

 

[King Woodballs]

 

[Channelcat]

Stanley had his worst game as a Jet. Heinola should be in instead as Montreal is skilled fast and small. Stanley kept going for the big hit all game and it actually cost us the 2nd goal.

This game showed me that we have 3 legit NHL d and they are Josh Pionk and Demelo cuz when Demelo got hurt 29 seconds in....the D went to crap pretty quick.

No doubt. We can't lose any top 4 D, add 55 and 25.....it's grim. But it's also playoffs so expect the unexpected

 

[Mooche]

Honestly, Lowery and Stanley were our best players, maybe Josh too. If Demelo is out, I hope not, I think we need to run
JOMO - Pionk
Heinola - Forbert
Stanley - Poolman

Lowry - I will give you. He has been outstanding all playoffs and playing with a level of snarl this team needs from him.

Stanley - Not a chance. Poolman is getting a ton of flack, rightfully so, he was an absolute tirefire last night. But Stanley easily had one of his worst games last night. Very disappointing because I thought that bottom pair gave us quite a solid performance all things considered in the first round.

Defense on the whole needs to be better. It's mind-blowing how the recipe that the team took in the first round was almost thrown completely out the window. Shea Weber FFS should never be barring down on a breakaway -- let alone when the Jets are on the PK. The defense needs to button it up in a hurry.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Facts but the stretcher came out. It's obvious the result is more important than the hit. That's what's brutal. It took our guy to realize Evans wasn't getting up while the Canadians were all scrumming and throwing guys on top of Evans on the ground really. Player safety? Bullshit

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Wish Scheif refrained from the hit, but I truly do not believe for a second his intent was to injure Evans.

I believe he honestly felt he could prevent the goal by playing the body, and was ignorant towards the speed he had built up before cranking Evans.

He does not take a single stride when he enters our zone, glides, albeit extremely fast, and makes what would be deemed a clean hit if it had a tenth of the momentum Scheif had.

Had Evans tried to wrap around and a D man was in front of the net, he would try to take his body as well, to stop his momentum forward, just would not be nearly as devastating of a hit.

Scheif was extremely careless, and he failed to control his body from causing what could be a life altering hit. He deserves a suspension but he does not deserve to be classified as a cheap dirty player or that it was intentional.

He has never ever come close to doing anything even remotely dirty through several NHL seasons, he sure as hell was not starting that crap in playoffs. I am pretty sure no one feels worse about this today, than Mark does.

I can guarantee you at that moment, last night, Mark's thought in his head was, if I can knock him off the puck and prevent the goal, we still have time to tie this game up!

He needed to pull back and live to fight another day. Sad event and thoughts and prayers are with Evans making a full recovery.

 

[Jimmyjets]

That puck was already in the net when Schief hit him. 100% charging and 100% late. Wtf was he thinking?

He hit him a fraction of a second after the puck went into the net. It wasn't late and if he had arrived a fraction of a second sooner he saves a goal, Ehlers picks up the puck and we head back up the ice trying to tie the game with 55 seconds left. The only play there, with the goalie pulled, is to knock the player down because if he propels the puck towards the net at all it's a goal.

I've only read the first couple pages of this thread but I'm shocked by peoples take on this.

Yes he travelled a far way to deliver the hit but his last stride was at the top of the circles. He does glide before making contact and the principle point of contact is clearly the chest and then he explodes up through the head.

If Evans didn't get hurt on this it wouldn't even be talked about. It's a playoff game. No player is going to just concede the clinching goal if they have a chance to stop it. I have no issue with the play and wouldn't have an issue if it was Perry on Schiefele either in that circumstance. If the goalie was still in then maybe a stick check would work but with the net empty the big hit is the only play that would have worked.

This is a hockey play. He is not a repeat offender. He was assessed a 5 minute Major and game misconduct on the ice. At most a fine. Won't be surprised if he gets nothing.

Habs fans and media are the worst though, so potentially they'll want him thrown in jail and will not be satisfied with anything less.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Evans isn't innocent here. He put himself in a vulnerable position.

 

[Gm0ney]

That's the same line I heard before the Oilers series.

Anything can happen in a small sample, as we proved last week, and the Oilers were certainly flawed with their all-the-eggs-in-two-baskets roster...but we still literally required .950 goaltending to win 3 games by 1 goal in OT. The Habs are more of a complete team and just hosed the Jets last night.

 

[surixon]

"42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice."

I get your point but here are the rules. Where is striding into the hit part of the rulebook on charging?

I mean by those definitions you could call every hit off of a forecheck a charge.

 

[snowkiddin]

What is the max for an in-person hearing?



We could all use one after this game.



I scanned the media this morning, also saw the persistent use of the term "predatory". If Schief is out for long it will take a massive effort by the Jets to take this series.

I’m not sure, but I don’t think there is a maximum for an in-person hearing.

Also, I’ve seen some schmucks online calling this the worst incident since Bertuzzi/Moore — get a grip lol

Also also it’s interesting to me how editorialized these articles are from various media members.

 

[EpicGingy]

Wish Scheif refrained from the hit, but I truly do not believe for a second his intent was to injure Evans.

I believe he honestly felt he could prevent the goal by playing the body, and was ignorant towards the speed he had built up before cranking Evans.

He does not take a single stride when he enters our zone, glides, albeit extremely fast, and makes what would be deemed a clean hit if it had a tenth of the momentum Scheif had.

Had Evans tried to wrap around and a D man was in front of the net, he would try to take his body as well, to stop his momentum forward, just would not be nearly as devastating of a hit.

Scheif was extremely careless, and he failed to control his body from causing what could be a life altering hit. He deserves a suspension but he does not deserve to be classified as a cheap dirty player or that it was intentional.

He has never ever come close to doing anything even remotely dirty through several NHL seasons, he sure as hell was not starting that crap in playoffs. I am pretty sure no one feels worse about this today, than Mark does.

I can guarantee you at that moment, last night, Mark's thought in his head was, if I can knock him off the puck and prevent the goal, we still have time to tie this game up!

He needed to pull back and live to fight another day. Sad event and thoughts and prayers are with Evans making a full recovery.

I agree with everything you said.

It's going to get really old seeing all the other fanbases label Mark as a dirty player from here on out. This'll probably be his first suspension going all the way back to minor hockey. I don't recall him ever even getting a fine before.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Anything can happen in a small sample, as we proved last week, and the Oilers were certainly flawed with their all-the-eggs-in-two-baskets roster...but we still literally required .950 goaltending to win 3 games by 1 goal in OT. The Habs are more of a complete team and just hosed the Jets last night.

Jets showed up for 15 minutes and taking away the empty net goal it's 4 3.

If anything I think if we played a full 60 we run the Habs out the building. That 1st period was the worst Jets hockey In a long time. 3 1 Montreal after 1. 2 1 Jets the rest of the game tho minus the empty netter. Pretty obvious the 9 day break played a role. They were unprepared and rusty.

 

[snowkiddin]

I mean by those definitions you could call every hit off of a forecheck a charge.

Exactly. Scheifele didn’t skate the whole length of the ice looking for the hit. It was a puck race and he was busting it trying to get there first. Near the blue line Evans had gathered the puck and he decided the best defense was a body check. And I can’t blame him. I don’t think a stick check would’ve worked either. Separating the player from the puck and taking him out of the play if he missed the wraparound is fine by me.

Generally, you cut to the middle of the ice and you’re a dead man. Had their been a goalie there a defenceman would’ve hit Evans too.

 

[robertocarlos]

he was until laine got traded. the divorce was swift and seamless but the kids still have issues

When someone wearing a Laine jersey gets in my way on the sidewalk I yell at them to move their feet.

 

[DashingDane]

To me it's less about interpreting the rule book and more about removing reckless dangerous plays. I'd agree arguments can be made on both sides but I keep coming back to it being a completely unnecessary play that was a result of frustration more than anything. I don't think Scheif is a dirty player but I also think he needs at least one game suspension for that action.

If Perry does that to Ehlers I think the majority of this board wants the book thrown at him.

 

[WolfHouse]

Bottom line is still Scheifele never hits... that play was out of frustration and lack of discipline. This is far more worrisome than a suspension - have not liked Scheifs play all season

 

[Hobble]

I see a 1-2 game suspension for Scheif. If we miss Demelo and Statsny too, then this series might be over just as it began. Tough to compensate for those losses against the Habs.