Post-Game Talk: Jets drop Game 1

[SensibleGuy]

he missed the hit by .3 seconds, there is no chance he was able to realize he wouldn't be able to stop the goal from happening

I disagree. I think he realizes he can't stop the goal much earlier...right where he starts gliding.

Actually, "stop the goal" is the wrong wording. I think he realizes he won't be able to stop Evans from getting the attempt. Once the puck leaves Evans stick, the only thing that will prevent the goal is either that Evans muffed the attempt and the puck travels across the goal line instead of going in the net, or something alters the puck's course such as Chef's stick. The hit at that point won't impact the goal. I think Chef realizes he can't stop Evans from getting the puck off and he starts to glide. That's when it would have been wise for him to either try and poke the puck or to avoid the contact. instead, he goea ahead with the hit.

 

[LowLefty]

Ok but the entire topic was on the fact Mark never hits and King said he would have liked to see Mark add some of that to his game.

I realize what the original topic was - I was adding Wheeler to the discussion.
He plays on the same line and the situation is similar - another big player that could maybe add a little more physical to his game.
Wouldn't be the first time we broadened a discussion and it doesn't take away from the points made on Scheif - which I totally agree with.

 

[gojetsgo]

I disagree. I think he realizes he can't stop the goal much earlier...right where he starts gliding.

but if he didn't slow down he would be there much faster and would have been able to hit him well before the .3 seconds after the goal went in

 

[BatVader]

I disagree. I think he realizes he can't stop the goal much earlier...right where he starts gliding.

I think he starts gliding to A) slow down so he doesn’t kill the guy and B) avoid a charging penalty by not striding into the hit.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I think he starts gliding to A) slow down so he doesn’t kill the guy and B) avoid a charging penalty by not striding into the hit.

"42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice."

I get your point but here are the rules. Where is striding into the hit part of the rulebook on charging?

 

[Nedarb]

The game was done as soon as Chef realized he was not going to prevent the EN goal and started to glide. Then, sadly he made the dumb choice to carry through with the hit anyway. I'm sure he never intended for the hit to be that consequential, and it may not have been an illegal hit...but that doesn't change the fact that the hit wasn't going to change the outcome. It was unnecessary, it was dumb and it may cost him at least a game...which we really can't afford.

What if evans slammed the puck into the post and scheif stick checked and went past him and evans puts it in. We’d be blowing our minds saying hit him scheif

 

[snowkiddin]

Scheifele not offered an in-person hearing, so the max is five games. I’ll say Parros’s dart hits the two game suspension mark (no pun intended) but who knows

 

[SensibleGuy]

I think he starts gliding to A) slow down so he doesn’t kill the guy and B) avoid a charging penalty by not striding into the hit.

Gliding doesn't avoid the charging penalty and he still clobbered the guy. Mission not accomplished chef.

 

[BatVader]

"42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice."

I get your point but here are the rules. Where is striding into the hit part of the rulebook on charging?

“skates” means striding... in general, if I you coast into a hit, it’s not skating into it and as long as there’s no injury, there’s no penalty. Players have to coast for more that a foot or 2... needs to be like 5 ft min... which Scheif did

 

[snowkiddin]

What if evans slammed the puck into the post and scheif stick checked and went past him and evans puts it in. We’d be blowing our minds saying hit him scheif

Yeah, I’m not understanding the “he should’ve stick checked him” argument.

You’re allowed to take the body on a guy with the puck and there’s no guarantee a stick check would’ve worked either.

 

[SensibleGuy]

but if he didn't slow down he would be there much faster and would have been able to hit him well before the .3 seconds after the goal went in

Sure maybe. But this stuff is happening in real time and the players are making constant adjustments based on their situational awareness. As I said quite a few pages back, I think part of the reason the play was as close as it was was because Evans knew he had the goal and he went a little slowly too.

 

[BatVader]

Ultimately, none of this constant back and forth matters
What will happen will happen and none of us has a say in any of it so... what’s done is done.
Time to look forward to game 2 and even this thing up

 

[wpgallday1960]

I can’t find an answer why Stastny didn’t play yesterday. Does any one know why?

 

[BatVader]

I can’t find an answer why Stastny didn’t play yesterday. Does any one know why?

Mental health day???

 

[cbcwpg]

So ... I wonder if the DOPS will take into account that Scheifele hasn't back-checked on purpose since 2018, so therefore he must have been intentionally targeting the player.

 

[BatVader]

So ... I wonder if the DOPS will take into account that Scheifle hasn't back checked on purpose since 2018, so therefore he must have been intentionally targeting the player.

 

[snowkiddin]

This is exactly what I think. If Schiefele does the exact same thing but gets there half a second sooner and prevents the goal, or Evans gets up, that's a minor.

It was a penalty but not a suspension. Optically though you know the NHL is going to want to look like they're doing something. That's the problem with player safety, it has nothing to do with player safety.

Well said, scrub lover. Well said.

 

[kanadalainen]

I just received this in my inbox. I can't attend though as I have had only my first round vaccine.

Oh well, perhaps another time.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

So if the hit was 1/2 way through the 2nd period, and Evans was trying to score with helle in the net and the game tied 2-2, is it still suspension worthy? How is it any different different when Buff leveled Stone?

Schief glided in, didn't leave his feet, and primary contact was the chest. Elbows stayed down.

A huge difference. Buff was hardly moving in relative terms. Stone was skating at full speed with his head down right into an awaiting Buff.

Scheif is not a dirty player. I believe his initial intent when he was busting back was to try to stop the goal. But by the end of the play he did have options other than the one he took. He is also a smart player. I think that by the time he was near the net, he knew before he laid out the hit that he was not going to prevent the goal. So he chose not to try to play the puck and instead finish the hit on player in a vulnerable position.

 

[Daximus]

I'm guessing Scheif will get 3 games.

 

[Buffdog]

"42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice."

I get your point but here are the rules. Where is striding into the hit part of the rulebook on charging?

Realistically, schief didn't travel any farther than any forward would if they broke out of their own end, dumped the puck in at centre ice, and went and threw a hit on a forecheck

The elephant in the room is that it happened with one minute left on an empty net goal and looked brutal. It's optics more than anything.

And the bottom line is that Evans could have protected himself by avoiding the hit. He wasn't blindsided. It may have cost him the goal, which is the whole point of the play. It was his choice to choose to score even if it meant putting himself in a vulnerable position

 

[Crocket]

Lowry?

Ya, my mistake, I was just looking at those lines. Lowery is playing fantastic.

 

[ps241]

Ultimately, none of this constant back and forth matters
What will happen will happen and none of us has a say in any of it so... what’s done is done.
Time to look forward to game 2 and even this thing up

I agree.

Couldn't draw up a much worse start to the series including injuries and possible suspension........But........we are playing the 20-21 Habs not the 1976 Habs so despite the rough start we want to move forward and go get game 2.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

It will be 5 and he will appeal and it will drop to 3. Why? The media has already decided they are judge jury executioner. Headline on Sportsnet has the word predatory hit. Like C'mon. He was trying to stop a goal down by 1 with enough time to tie the game and even win it still In regulation. I think they have to take in to account that the puck bounced on Evans a bit and he kind of put himself in to a vulnerable position.

 

[Buffdog]

A huge difference. Buff was hardly moving in relative terms. Stone was skating at full speed with his head down right into an awaiting Buff.

Scheif is not a dirty player. I believe his initial intent when he was busting back was to try to stop the goal. But by the end of the play he did have options other than the one he took. He is also a smart player. I think that by the time he was near the net, he knew before he laid out the hit that he was not going to prevent the goal. So he chose not to try to play the puck and instead finish the hit on player in a vulnerable position.

Fair enough, but that's the difference between a forward throwing a hit and a defenseman.

Hits like that happen all the time on the forecheck... puck is dumped in from centre, forward skates into the offensive zone, glides 10 feet then initiates contact on the defender - often times after the defenseman has already moved the puck (finishing the hit)... the difference is that defenseman know it's coming and are skilled at making the play then positioning themselves either against the boards or in a posture that protects them from the bodycheck

The hit was schifeles fault but the outcome was Evans. You cant ask/expect the other team to let you score just because you put yourself in a vulnerable position