Post-Game Talk: Jets do enough to lose 4-2

[sipowicz]

Jets D

Morrissey




Diilon
Pionk


DeMelo
Schmshit
Stanley

 

[tbcwpg]

despite his goals/points...he is -1, -7 overall career wise to date, that is a big issue, all his points are useless in effect.

+/- ignores the power play, add his 22 points on the PP and he's effectively +21. He's no Selke candidate but to say his points are useless in effect ignores special teams entirely.

 

[Howard Chuck]

The top 5 best seasons for a Jets defenceman in Evolving-Hockey's xGA/60 RAPM:

1. 2017-18 Enstrom at -0.290
2. 2020-21 DeMelo at -0.214
3. 2021-22 DeMelo at -0.193
4. 2015-16 Trouba at -0.137 (the "paired with Mark Stuart" season)
5. 2017-18 Morrissey at -0.130

But sure, tell me more about how Bruce Cassidy's comments about how the Jets don't defend the slot is clearly about exploiting smaller-sized defencemen and definitely not the rotating door of big defencemen who don't actually do much net-front and suck at clearing the puck so they spend more time in the defensive zone.

I’ve always been impressed with Heinola’s ability to box guys out in our zone. You don’t have to be big, you just have to be smart. Especially these days when you can’t get away with cross checking etc.

 

[BoneDocUK]

doesn't elhers have a less than stellar rep when it comes to free shots...wasn't it one of the things his bud laine ripped him about

Yep.

Ehlers is a great player, and a true game-breaker, but I think he's best when running on instinct and using his speed and skill to back off a goalie and then use that superquick release. Feel like he changed his mind mid-shot and it didn't work but he did pull it off later, and don't think that flub was a difference-maker in this game.

Penalty shots are weird. For the Jets I think KfC and Perfetti are strong there, although Lowry seems to have his moves down flat now, and Gus is surprisingly good on the shootout also.

 

[MardyBum]

Yikes.

Sell sell sell.

I also feel a bit for the fourth line scrubs, they got dominated in the second and barely saw the ice in the third lol.

 

[surixon]

Stan is in there because of his size - and they are going to give him more time before they throw in the towel - because we need more size on the blue line.
Ville has proven nothing at the NHL level - in fact, he's looked over whelmed at times and totally out of his element with the bigger, faster competition he has to deal with at this level.

We excuse that short coming because he does so well with lesser competition - Petan and Niku were also expected to be stars based on their pre-NHL success.

And for the last time, I am not suggesting we ice a blue line of poor big dmen - you're discussing extremes (all big and bad vs all highly skilled and small) to make a point and it's over the top hyperbole. We have neither and I'm not suggesting we would.

We have one who is the youngest dman on the team and is being allowed more time because the org would like to have some size back there.
It's not like we have a star studded dcore that Stan is f**king up - and it's not like Ville is going to add anything at this point other than less defense than we are currently dealing with.

Are you still using Ville's play last year and his first few games this year to form your opinion. After his first two games this year he was playing excellent hockey. 53% CF and XGF player. Not overwhelmed in the least and should still be in the lineup imo.

 

[DRW204]

Totally agree with this post, and the first guy I'd be looking to get rid of is Pionk, especially considering he's making around $ 6 mil per year. I think he's a little above average defenseman, but not worth $ 6 mil, and neither is Schmidt, and these are both big mistakes by Chevy, who was in a bind for D- men, and panicked a bit, to fill some holes.

Can you tell which one was his contract year?

 

[DRW204]

Are you still using Ville's play last year and his first few games this year to form your opinion. After his first two games this year he was playing excellent hockey. 53% CF and XGF player. Not overwhelmed in the least and should still be in the lineup imo.

yea after a long-lay off ville came into a game against FLA who was the hottest team in the league. struggled, no question. but after that his play improved each game.

stanley is in his draft+6th year, 90+ career games (reg. season + POs), i think he's closer to "is what he is" at this point than Heinola.

And yet, DeMelo keeps the front of the net clean better than Big Logan Stanley.

demelo breaks up so many plays before they even get to the slot/chances against. watching demelo live gives a whole new appreciation to zone-entry defense, pass break ups etc.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Are you still using Ville's play last year and his first few games this year to form your opinion. After his first two games this year he was playing excellent hockey. 53% CF and XGF player. Not overwhelmed in the least and should still be in the lineup imo.

Yep. He has been absolutely dominant in the A this year and was looking settled in and ready to take that next step thus year when he was sent down for playing too well, or whatever it was Big Dave gave as the reason.

 

[surixon]

I don't think it's talent, either. There are plenty of d corps that are not particularly talented that defend well as a group.

Its the systems, or lack thereof, and some incredibly weak forwards who do not put the effort in defensively, not supporting the d or winning board battles.

This group of 6 has a fine balance of size and skill, but they're not playing cohesively, with each other or the forwards.

Its why I want to see what a new coach can do with the group before I blow it up.

 

[Jetland162702]

This team just cannot seem to put it together. That second period was a frickin embarrassment. You can't play one decent period and expect to beat good teams. Boston was beatable and we let them off the hook. I think we need to get some value for Copp because I have no faith that these guys will make the playoffs.

 

[Jetland162702]

My Dad loved Gentle Jim Reeves. This brought a tear to my eye.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

I thought the game was pretty evenly played. The first was a saw off, the second was brutal for the Jets, and they dominated for long stretches of the third.

It came down to a couple of mistakes and that's a shame.

The missed trip that led to the eng was criminal though. That should have been a 6 on 3 for the final minute.

Svetch is really starting to find his confidence. He's been using his body so much more and making impressive plays.

Agree, in particular your comment on Svetch. I wasn't sold on him in the early going but he's playing quite well now and looks pretty good on Lowry's line. All things considered, an appropriate and pretty good spot for him. Hopefully, he's still here next year.

 

[cbcwpg]

Last time the Bruins had more losses than wins...2007

Number of times the Bruins have missed the playoffs since 1968 ( 54 years ) - 7 times

 

[Adam da bomb]

despite his goals/points...he is -1, -7 overall career wise to date, that is a big issue, all his points are useless in effect.

No it's not easy to insulate a guy by always pairing him with a guy who is stronger to make up for his D challenges. Also, Plus minus is a useless stat.

 

[Adam da bomb]

ok dude, have unrealistic expectations that our top 6 should have multiple players well over a ppg and then think it's alright that we have players with 3 points in 55 games because they are only making league minimum. just so ridiculous

Calling my opinion ridiculous is not necessary. Stick to hockey arguments not insulting other posters. You made your point it's not necessary.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

+/- ignores the power play, add his 22 points on the PP and he's effectively +21. He's no Selke candidate but to say his points are useless in effect ignores special teams entirely.

If you want to include PP points as +, then you should also include goals against while he's penalty killing as -. Do they even keep that stat?

 

[tbcwpg]

If you want to include PP points as +, then you should also include goals against while he's penalty killing as -. Do they even keep that stat?

No it's not included as a - but it's a + if they score shorthanded. I'm sure they keep who's on for PK as a stat but not on the NHL app. My main point was to refute the point that Connor's points are effectively useless; they're definitely not.

 

[Adam da bomb]

If you want to include PP points as +, then you should also include goals against while he's penalty killing as -. Do they even keep that stat?

All that is true. But, I disagree that it makes Connor's points useless. Every time you are on the ice there are 5 other guys on the ice as well. So to have someone score points to tie and win games is extremely important when you can make sure that the other guys on the ice on him are always better defensively. We also have to factor in we are talking about career. Connor is having his best season defensively. Also, are we trying to act like Schief and Wheeler are defensive powerhouses?
Also, -7 is not that huge Laine is -30 for his career.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Another must win game with a delayed, selective effort. I'm sure that people will complain about that non-call on Morrissey but the truth is they didn't show up until really late in the game and you just can't do that against a team like Boston.

Must win game and they didn't show up.

Again.

This - over and over and over!

I thought they started pretty well, with some good pressure and several very nice scoring chances.

Then Blake took a really brain-dead penalty and the Bruins went on to record 23 straight shots (by my cypherin') without a single reply from the Jets. 23-0! How is that even possible?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Despite my prediction this is the game I felt we would lose. We do not play a well enough structured game to beat a team like Boston.

If that is correct, then we have no business trying to pretend we are anything but a bottom dweller. Bruins are not even that good, 9th OA in the league.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The second period was poor. Just 4 shots - thats got me thinking there's a message to the fans here, something along the lines of adios amigos.

Every D but Morrissey can go as far as I'm concerned. Especially demelo. People here pump his tires for some reason but he manages to destroy every single offensive play as soon as it touches his stick, and constantly gets outbattled.

Nobody likes DeMelo for his offence. People here pump his tires because he is a Dman who can actually defend, a bit.

Can we finally stop pretending we have a shot at making the playoffs and do the smart thing and sell the UFAs? Chevy get on your phone

Please this!
SELL, SELL, SELL!

@kanadalainen
A lot of players appear to be playing like they want to be traded out of here. Is that the message you are referring to? Weak effort, no heart, no passion, in a must win game.

 

[tbcwpg]

This - over and over and over!

I thought they started pretty well, with some good pressure and several very nice scoring chances.

Then Blake took a really brain-dead penalty and the Bruins went on to record 23 straight shots (by my cypherin') without a single reply from the Jets. 23-0! How is that even possible?

It was 18-0 if you go back to the end of the 1st period.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What I can't understand is our power play.

We keep trying to make cross ice passes through lanes that are not there.

Boston has one or two guys driving to the front of the net looking for tips or rebounds.

Our 2nd unit is a lot better than our first. It may not show because they get so few minutes and those often start in our own end. But they generate more real chances per minute, IMO.

 

[WolfHouse]

You have to wonder what is said in the locker room during the first intermission... year after year

Does Wheeler just not know how to motivate? This is two coaches now - actually three - that can't get this 'core' (even though the core is almost gone) to show up for the second period...