GDT: Jets @ Devils - 7:00 PM - MSG

[Bleedred]

This is where Fitz has no acumen or foresight to see Nemec has been a ticking time bomb.

Fitz needed to cut loose from nemec way before the deadline, sometime between when he had a sulk attitude / dicey interview, to trade deadline. Now he can't move him till draft day, his value will plummet and we will get peanuts.

I feel he should be fired solely for not taking up the advantage of the cap space LTIR: a situation that doesn't come often, and sadly this team can't even turn jacks injury into at least a boost of morale by bringing medium or big name non-rental. Not moving Nemec after whats been going on (and resigning Kovy to boot to emphasize Nemec is not long term) seems like malpractice.

With the way the last 3 games ended, this team is so close to becoming a dumpster fire finish.

I don't think I would have been upset at this team losing last night, if they had gotten a point or two even from the Dallas game.

We've lost so many points, having a shitty D guy play like that last night really pisses me off, and mainly at him and Fitz.

I don’t blame him for not cutting bait before the deadline.

But he absolutely needs to this offseason, before his value drops even more and he’s worth less the next offseason, where he’s bringing back something not good enough.

He’s a 2nd overall pick (and not a 7th) and a defenseman, so he will be worth more than Holtz was regardless, but they need to maximize it by sending him out this offseason.

His game last night was highly pathetic, if I’m allowed to say that because I didn’t “Watch the game” and only did the highlights for my goals review lol.

He played as badly as you would expect an emergency replacement (like a high school player) to on a some of those goals. And they were within minutes of each other. If that game was actually still within reach he would have been benched for at least the whole second half of the 3rd period.

 

[Shakir ONeal]

I’m not seeing what he was, then. He hadn’t been the disaster he was last night, but beyond that? I didn’t see it, certainly not in line with what we’d expect from a 2OA.

The writing is on the wall at this point and it’s extra unfortunate our best asset is tanking his value when it’s becoming more clear by the day this team needs something…big.

6’3+ big? Sign fitzy up

 

[Bleedred]

Haula will hopefully go at the draft. Bastian and Lazar are UFA, can't see them being re-signed (Bastian particularly in a precarious position). Tatar also headed for the glue factory.

Palat is harder to shed. Awful contract.

Haula is a buyout IMO. Who the hell wants that? After playing 11-12 minutes the last several games he was magically up to 15 again last night.

I’ll ask again, was it really f***in necessary to give the ULTIMATE JOURNEYMAN 3 years that took him until he was 35? He was not lasting two full seasons with the same team for several years before we got a hold of him. It’s not like he was on the UFA market. Totally unnecessary. AND he even got a raise from his last deal, but now I’m being petty.

Sadly, I can see Brendan Dillon turning into the defenseman Haula by next year or hopefully not until the third year. Another three year deal I can’t comprehend. Although that WAS in UFA. Haula was NOT.

28 games without a point now? And no points in 3 games at four nations.

He’s threatening to go 33 games without a point like Ruutu lol. To be fair, Ruutu I think went 38 or 40 games stretching back to the end of the season before.

 

[britdevil]

Next day vibe

 

[JK3]

Hooo boy that third pairing.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

What a fun night out at the Rock last night.

The moment in the first where the puck was just sitting in the paint and the Devils couldn't get it in before Bratt got pushed away, only to immediately give up a goal going the other way was the real-time living embodiment of the past two months.

That was the writing on the wall. We all knew "ballgame over" after that and sure as shit it was. Help us Jesus!

 

[TheUnseenHand]

That result is thoroughly unsurprising to wake up to.

 

[Whaddagoal]

I don’t blame him for not cutting bait before the deadline.

But he absolutely needs to this offseason, before his value drops even more and he’s worth less the next offseason, where he’s bringing back something not good enough.

He’s a 2nd overall pick (and not a 7th) and a defenseman, so he will be worth more than Holtz was regardless, but they need to maximize it by sending him out this offseason.

His game last night was highly pathetic, if I’m allowed to say that because I didn’t “Watch the game” and only did the highlights for my goals review lol.

He played as badly as you would expect an emergency replacement (like a high school player) to on a some of those goals. And they were within minutes of each other. If that game was actually still within reach he would have been benched for at least the whole second half of the 3rd period.

I'm just thinking he should have a better pulse of the situation than it seems ...

Last night was pathetic

 

[Triumph]

This is where Fitz has no acumen or foresight to see Nemec has been a ticking time bomb.

Fitz needed to cut loose from nemec way before the deadline, sometime between when he had a sulk attitude / dicey interview, to trade deadline. Now he can't move him till draft day, his value will plummet and we will get peanuts.

His value won't change at all, if anything it will go up. Who was interested in Nemec at the deadline who won't be interested at the draft?

Teams interested in Nemec are as follows -

A: Teams rebuilding who want a young player to build around

B: Teams in need of a cheap RHD

All the teams exclusively in boat B weren't there at the deadline, because why do you want a cheap player who hasn't established himself as an NHLer at the deadline? Some of the teams in boat A are on an interim coach or a lame duck and will be hiring a new coach before next season (and indeed, some of them will have new GMs), so why are they making a big move at this time?

For all Nemec's struggles in the NHL this season, he's been a pretty reliable AHLer and he's only 21. He's not going to bring back some giant windfall if he is moved, but people will be interested.

I feel he should be fired solely for not taking up the advantage of the cap space LTIR: a situation that doesn't come often, and sadly this team can't even turn jacks injury into at least a boost of morale by bringing medium or big name non-rental. Not moving Nemec after whats been going on (and resigning Kovy to boot to emphasize Nemec is not long term) seems like malpractice.

In other years this would be a more fruitful possibility but with the cap rising as sharply as it is going to over the next few years, few teams have incentive to move big contracts, and there weren't many expensive (AAV-wise) rentals. The non-rental contracts that did get moved ended up being quite pricey. In another season, yeah, I could see bringing in some sort of star player who had fallen on hard times (e.g. PK Subban in 2022, who didn't end up moving likely in part because of his huge cap hit). There wasn't anything like that around.

 

[dendazen]

This is where Fitz has no acumen or foresight to see Nemec has been a ticking time bomb.

Fitz needed to cut loose from nemec way before the deadline, sometime between when he had a sulk attitude / dicey interview, to trade deadline. Now he can't move him till draft day, his value will plummet and we will get peanuts.

I feel he should be fired solely for not taking up the advantage of the cap space LTIR: a situation that doesn't come often, and sadly this team can't even turn jacks injury into at least a boost of morale by bringing medium or big name non-rental. Not moving Nemec after whats been going on (and resigning Kovy to boot to emphasize Nemec is not long term) seems like malpractice.

With the way the last 3 games ended, this team is so close to becoming a dumpster fire finish.

I don't think I would have been upset at this team losing last night, if they had gotten a point or two even from the Dallas game.

We've lost so many points, having a shitty D guy play like that last night really pisses me off, and mainly at him and Fitz.

I don't believe Fitz has mental capacities and job aptitude he's been promoted into for those calculated moves. He is at best mediocre at his job. He isn't strategic, not even tactical. The nature of his moves seem to be based more on impulses and his intuition than on calculations. He still in 5 years didn't address goaltending issues of the club, he patched it up with 2 aged goaltenders so far out of their prime with moreover issue overpaying for both. He overpaid bunch of players with little proof of those to earn their paychecks. He also really likes to hear himself talk, which isn't a good sign of intelligence. Now of course things can be worse, but I will bet my hard earned money that this iteration of management/ownership and core of players isn't winning a cup in next 5-7 years, unless they fire management/operations and tear this all down. There are only 3 payers on this team with consistency in their play Hughes, Bratt, Hischier. All others are streaky as shit. And one of those 3 can't play a full season. That's not nearly enough. Hischier is a good player, but he often doesn't move the needle and doesn't create enough of his own chances to win the games. Yeah and Nemec trade at this point will be of magnitude of Holtz going to Vegas, mo matter when in time it happens.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I don't believe Fitz has mental capacities and job aptitude he's been promoted into for those calculated moves. He is at best mediocre at his job. He isn't strategic, not even tactical. The nature of his moves seem to be based more on impulses and his intuition than on calculations. He still in 5 years didn't address goaltending issues of the club, he patched it up with 2 aged goaltenders so far out of their prime with moreover issue overpaying for both. He overpaid bunch of players with little proof of those to earn their paychecks. He also really likes to hear himself talk, which isn't a good sign of intelligence. Now of course things can be worse, but I will bet my hard earned money that this iteration of management/ownership and core of players isn't winning a cup in next 5-7 years, unless they fire management/operations and tear this all down. There are only 3 payers on this team with consistency in their play Hughes, Bratt, Hischier. All others are streaky as shit. And one of those 3 can't play a full season. That's not nearly enough. Hischier is a good player, but he often doesn't move the needle and doesn't create enough of his own chances to win the games. Yeah and Nemec trade at this point will be of magnitude of Holtz going to Vegas, mo matter when in time it happens.

This is exactly it. I’ll add that Bratt is a consistent point getter but certainly not a consistent goal scorer.

 

[Whaddagoal]

His value won't change at all, if anything it will go up. Who was interested in Nemec at the deadline who won't be interested at the draft?

Teams interested in Nemec are as follows -

A: Teams rebuilding who want a young player to build around

B: Teams in need of a cheap RHD

All the teams exclusively in boat B weren't there at the deadline, because why do you want a cheap player who hasn't established himself as an NHLer at the deadline? Some of the teams in boat A are on an interim coach or a lame duck and will be hiring a new coach before next season (and indeed, some of them will have new GMs), so why are they making a big move at this time?

For all Nemec's struggles in the NHL this season, he's been a pretty reliable AHLer and he's only 21. He's not going to bring back some giant windfall if he is moved, but people will be interested.



In other years this would be a more fruitful possibility but with the cap rising as sharply as it is going to over the next few years, few teams have incentive to move big contracts, and there weren't many expensive (AAV-wise) rentals. The non-rental contracts that did get moved ended up being quite pricey. In another season, yeah, I could see bringing in some sort of star player who had fallen on hard times (e.g. PK Subban in 2022, who didn't end up moving likely in part because of his huge cap hit). There wasn't anything like that around.

No one will want to flip Nemec for reliable assets if he keeps tanking his value. He is good / reliable AHLer who won't play AHL without a hitch in his ego.

No one will want to take him giving up important assets to acquire. They will want him for dirt cheap only, if it continues.

A. Suspected entitlement or attitude problems
B. Poor NHL play recently.
C. Barely able to crack NHL roster.

Your commentary on the LTIR situation probably is a factor, however it's just very frustrating we are left holding a 8 million empty bag and this team was in dire need to make real progress despite Jacks absence. What kind of message does Fitz tell the remaining players that he wasn't willing to invest because one main guy is out so this season is pointless".

Fitz really f***ed up. He should be fired for that. You have season ticket holder reupping and he did squat to show this season matters at all.

Colorado won the cup with a half working landeskog,, Florida has key guys out right now, Dallas, same they still made moves.

Having our team implicitly say (by their lowbar moves) that we are only a team with jack is a huge slap in the face to the core players and fans. Fitz punting / wasting this season in such a way should get him fired.

 

[guitarguyvic]

No one will want to flip Nemec for reliable assets if he keeps tanking his value. He is good / reliable AHLer who won't play AHL without a hitch in his ego.

No one will want to take him giving up important assets to acquire. They will want him for dirt cheap only, if it continues.

A. Suspected entitlement or attitude problems
B. Poor NHL play recently.
C. Barely able to crack NHL roster.

Your commentary on the LTIR situation probably is a factor, however it's just very frustrating we are left holding a 8 million empty bag and this team was in dire need to make real progress despite Jacks absence. What kind of message does Fitz tell the remaining players that he wasn't willing to invest because one main guy is out so this season is pointless".

Fitz really f***ed up. He should be fired for that. You have season ticket holder reupping and he did squat to show this season matters at all.

Colorado won the cup with a half working landeskog,, Florida has key guys out right now, Dallas, same they still made moves.

Having our team implicitly say (by their lowbar moves) that we are only a team with jack is a huge slap in the face to the core players and fans. Fitz punting / wasting this season in such a way should get him fired.

It’s a slap in the face to himself too because he’s the one that constructed a roster that apparently isn’t worth adding to when Jack is missing.

 

[Whaddagoal]

It’s a slap in the face to himself too because he’s the one that constructed a roster that apparently isn’t worth adding to when Jack is missing.

And it's amazing how big the crowds have been this season. There's been only a few home games I went to this season where the crowd was not that great. Most were pretty solid in the games I've been to, which have been a lot this year. You figure they would want to ride that for as long as possible even if our cup contending chances dropped significantly without jack. I still feel this core, with the right mojo can survive without jack in certain doses.

Fitz saying we came 2nd in line for his "guy" is such loser mentality. Where is his good plan B, and plan C. Looks like we got plan F, for Fitzface

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Think of the transformation of this team in just a few years. We went from probably the fastest team in the league playing the most exciting, high event, high tempo brand of hockey you could imagine and only really missing a goalie (and still winning at an amazing clip), while also maintaining a ton of draft capital and one of the best prospect pools in the league; to a mid speed, low event, no identity, overall completely mid team winning every other game while having, at best, a mid prospect pool and little draft capital. Sigh.

 

[Triumph]

No one will want to flip Nemec for reliable assets if he keeps tanking his value. He is good / reliable AHLer who won't play AHL without a hitch in his ego.

No one will want to take him giving up important assets to acquire. They will want him for dirt cheap only, if it continues.

A. Suspected entitlement or attitude problems
B. Poor NHL play recently.
C. Barely able to crack NHL roster.

Sorry but 20 games at the end of a season aren't going to do anything one way or another to his value. Anyone looking at his on-ice results this season is going to be aghast - he's been awful. How much worse can it get over these games?

Your commentary on the LTIR situation probably is a factor, however it's just very frustrating we are left holding a 8 million empty bag and this team was in dire need to make real progress despite Jacks absence. What kind of message does Fitz tell the remaining players that he wasn't willing to invest because one main guy is out so this season is pointless".

Prices were absolutely nuts. Did you see what Colorado traded for Brock Nelson? They got a C grade prospect with him, but they traded their 1st round pick from 2023 (who'd already played NHL games) and a 2026 1st, plus a 3rd if they win the Cup.

Fitz really f***ed up. He should be fired for that. You have season ticket holder reupping and he did squat to show this season matters at all.

Colorado won the cup with a half working landeskog,, Florida has key guys out right now, Dallas, same they still made moves.

Having our team implicitly say (by their lowbar moves) that we are only a team with jack is a huge slap in the face to the core players and fans. Fitz punting / wasting this season in such a way should get him fired.

It'd be one thing if the team were playing well and Hughes went down with an injury, but the team wasn't playing well without him, and there are other injuries - the Devils' top pairing from 2022-23 is gone as well. Couple that with the incredibly high prices and that's what you end up with.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I saw the score, just watched the game

I expected a shirt show, but that might have been one of our best games of the season.

Certainly Haulas best in a long while.
One of Mercer's best
One of Meier's best.
Nemec was good except for the big mistake
Dumoulin was fine.

Some missed passes. One goof by Markstrom. Some missed assignments.

Mostly a case of missing chances when we had then against a better team, and having pucks on the sticks of the likes of Tatar or Dowling or Haula which resulted in nothing.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I saw the score, just watched the game

I expected a shirt show, but that might have been one of our best games of the season.

Certainly Haulas best in a long while.
One of Mercer's best
One of Meier's best.
Nemec was good except for the big mistake
Dumoulin was fine.

Some missed passes. One goof by Markstrom. Some missed assignments.

Mostly a case of missing chances when we had then against a better team, and having pucks on the sticks of the likes of Tatar or Dowling or Haula which resulted in nothing.

I wouldn’t consider it a good game, but, it was more of a 3-1 3-2 loss against the best team in the league. Devils missed their chances and Jets capitalized on theirs. Also, Jets didn’t have much sustained zone time.

They also had two good periods against Dallas.

I have some hope in these last 18 against weaker competition. We will see

 

[billingtons ghost]

I wouldn’t consider it a good game, but, it was more of a 3-1 3-2 loss against the best team in the league. Devils missed their chances and Jets capitalized on theirs. Also, Jets didn’t have much sustained zone time.

They also had two good periods against Dallas.

I have some hope in these last 18 against weaker competition. We will see

I think the three late garbage time goals that Nemec was on for colored what was a pretty good effort.
We play like that against the rest of these teams the next two weeks, I think we are in the playoffs.

 

[Dylan9z9]

Haula is a buyout IMO. Who the hell wants that? After playing 11-12 minutes the last several games he was magically up to 15 again last night.

I’ll ask again, was it really f***in necessary to give the ULTIMATE JOURNEYMAN 3 years that took him until he was 35? He was not lasting two full seasons with the same team for several years before we got a hold of him. It’s not like he was on the UFA market. Totally unnecessary. AND he even got a raise from his last deal, but now I’m being petty.

Sadly, I can see Brendan Dillon turning into the defenseman Haula by next year or hopefully not until the third year. Another three year deal I can’t comprehend. Although that WAS in UFA. Haula was NOT.

28 games without a point now? And no points in 3 games at four nations.

He’s threatening to go 33 games without a point like Ruutu lol. To be fair, Ruutu I think went 38 or 40 games stretching back to the end of the season before.

Total Trash that accentuates the ineptness of the Devils front office. Add to that Palat, Lazar, and the rest of these no count passengers it's incredible. This team won't go anywhere until these pretenders (and I'm talking about the front office) are purged and replaced by anyone with a brain!

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Haula is a buyout IMO. Who the hell wants that? After playing 11-12 minutes the last several games he was magically up to 15 again last night.

I’ll ask again, was it really f***in necessary to give the ULTIMATE JOURNEYMAN 3 years that took him until he was 35? He was not lasting two full seasons with the same team for several years before we got a hold of him. It’s not like he was on the UFA market. Totally unnecessary. AND he even got a raise from his last deal, but now I’m being petty.

Sadly, I can see Brendan Dillon turning into the defenseman Haula by next year or hopefully not until the third year. Another three year deal I can’t comprehend. Although that WAS in UFA. Haula was NOT.

28 games without a point now? And no points in 3 games at four nations.

He’s threatening to go 33 games without a point like Ruutu lol. To be fair, Ruutu I think went 38 or 40 games stretching back to the end of the season before.

Very real chance the FO's job going into the offseason is to dump

Hamilton - 9m x 3 (10 team trade list)
Palat - 6m x 2 (10 team trade list)
Haula - 3m x 1 (6 team no trade list)

and add 2 whole lines of forwards and a 3c, with 2 2nd rounders, Mercer, and Nemec (or Casey) to work with as trade chips.

That should probably be the next Gm's job to do and not Fitzgerald's.

New Jersey Devils | Salary cap and contracts

 

[HoliksGhost]

Testing 123

 

[HoliksGhost]

Maybe it was a blessing in disguise as I’ve been unable to login since the Jets game.

 

[jkrdevil]

If we are going to trade Nemec I rather it be a new GM that moves him. So in that regard I’m glad he wasn’t moved in a desperate trade.