Post-Game Talk: Jets buffalo Buffalo - 7:4 Final

[Mortimer Snerd]

Now, regarding the comments about Chevy being the best GM in the league? Come on, man. Can we at least win a playoff series before knighting Chevy as King of the NHL? Yes, the team is having a great year and he deserves his share of the credit, but (IMHO) we shouldn't give out the ribbon to the winner before the race has even started. Remember - win race, get ribbon. Not get ribbon, then run race to see how you do. And also, does a GM get best GM in the league award for the team having one good year out of six? I'm just saying.

Putting words in my mouth I think. The words I used (assuming you are referring to my post) were "just might be". In other words, it is a possibility. Next paragraph specified a remaining high hurdle to be cleared over the next couple of years before the anointing takes place. So ... come on man!

I knew when I used those words I would get some reaction like this. I don't want to crown Chevy king. But I think it is time that we can begin to think in those kinds of terms. It isn't just that we are having a good year so far. It is the apparent strength and depth of the roster plus the strength of the prospects still in the system. In spite of a couple of missteps, Chevy's plan seems to be coming together extremely well.

 

[Aggie204]

Kane being called selfish, Bogo hurt.

Kane being Kane, Bogo being Bogo. The Stench of both of them left the Jets a long time ago. Yet it rots here in HF, it’s time to move on guys. Nothing to see here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They already have. Plus, its not really McPhees MO.

But they need to not turn around and empty the cupboards to acquire a rental. Kane would cost them 2 very good young assets, this year's 1st plus one of their good prospects from last year. Then they may or may not sign him. That opportunity exists either way.

 

[Jet]

I divided the trade into two portions when it happend. The Kane for Rental and Futures, and the Myers for Bogo swap.

Right now, I'd give Buffalo the advantage on the Kane portion of the trade, value wise. It was important to get a year of Stafford, and some nice prospects, but Kane is by far the best player out of that group at this point, and honestly, unless Roslovic develops into a 2nd line centre, he will be the best player in that portion. The Jets were forced by the locker room to make the trade, so I think Chevy did a nice job, but that portion isn't as one sided as Winnipeggers make it seem.

On the other hand, the Myers for Bogo swap was really nice for the Jets.

I disagree with that.

We will have to see what Kane fetches and what Roslovic does for the Jets and you have to factor Armia in to this as well and I think Army has been an extremely underestimated part of our success this year.

Unless Roslovic ends up a dud (doesn't seem likely) or Buffalo hits a home run with the pick/ prospect they get for Kane, I think we win that part of the deal, too.

Don't forget Staff was important for us to get into the playoffs, which also can't be understated.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I disagree with that.

We will have to see what Kane fetches and what Roslovic does for the Jets and you have to factor Armia in to this as well and I think Army has been an extremely underestimated part of our success this year.

Unless Roslovic ends up a dud (doesn't seem likely) or Buffalo hits a home run with the pick/ prospect they get for Kane, I think we win that part of the deal, too.

Don't forget Staff was important for us to get into the playoffs, which also can't be understated.

Don't get me wrong, I like what the Jets got out of it, but it seems like we forget that Kane is still an effective top six player in the NHL.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Putting words in my mouth I think. The words I used (assuming you are referring to my post) were "just might be". In other words, it is a possibility. Next paragraph specified a remaining high hurdle to be cleared over the next couple of years before the anointing takes place. So ... come on man!

I knew when I used those words I would get some reaction like this. I don't want to crown Chevy king. But I think it is time that we can begin to think in those kinds of terms. It isn't just that we are having a good year so far. It is the apparent strength and depth of the roster plus the strength of the prospects still in the system. In spite of a couple of missteps, Chevy's plan seems to be coming together extremely well.

Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. Apologies if it came out that way. Agree with the bolded.

 

[antiqueslivers]

So it Bogo takes kane hard in to the boards during a drill and gets injured somewhere along there. Feeling for the buffalo GM.

 

[HannuJ]

i was at the game last night and i can tell you that the Jets won the trade and that Kane is gross

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. Apologies if it came out that way. Agree with the bolded.

All good.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The Jets made out like bandits

There is no other way to describe that deal

That had tow problem players with big contracts that if they decided to hold to would have some issue moving and getting value for them.

Myers - outside that hip injury has been great. He is stable playing great hockey and is comfortable not being "THE GUY" on the back end.
Stafford - Rental for sure but a decent one. I think they wanted more and they couldn't get it and moved on from him
Lemieux - PPG AHL player in his 2nd year there and a solid call up to the bottom 6 when needed. The jury is out on him being a top 6 guy but I will tell you something we need him and his cheap contract in the bottom 6 for the next 3 or 4 years.
Armia - He is a great bottom 6 guy right now. His scoring touch isn't going to make him a top guy but his hard work, doggedness on the puck and his wiling to go to the dirty areas is going to be huge for the forseeable future. Cheap contract as well and very tradeable player in the future or ya he is finnish and well I let you figure out why that might be important for us
Roslovic - One of the best if not the best prospects in the AHL. These few games we have seen of him show why he will be a player and probably a top 6 player. Skill,speed and smarts. His work ethic is there. His development is there.

That one trade got rid of two problem children and brought us a bevy of skill,size,speed and depth. We won that trade and there is no doubt about that

 

[204hockey]

Pretty sure it's a Photoshop.

It's real lol

 

[204hockey]

i don't see how this trade can't be seen as an all-out steal for the Jets.

dumping Kane for a bag of hockey pucks would have been a net positive. sometimes you gotta get rid of that negativity in order to succeed. the fact that the netted you 3 legit prospects and a VERY good one-year rental player was great. Kane's scoring but the Sabres are in the toilet. so it's all for naught.

Bogo (oft injured) for Myers (oft injured) is a theoretical wash, but at his best, Bogo's a bottom 3 d-man. Myers is a pretty good 2nd pairing D-man. doesn't sound like much of a difference between the two, but 9 times outta 10 i'd rather have a healthy Myers than a healthy Bogo on my team. pizza diet no more.

Only ting bogo has on myers is physicality. He can't sniff myers jock in any other metric ainec. Myers break outs are so under rated go to a jets game sit in 300s and just watch him skate the puck out how he angles and throws ppl off he's a really good skater. TV often doesn't give u the full picture

 

[CaptainChef]

Unless Roslovic makes it as a top 6 F (RW or C), I think Kane remains the best player in the deal. But just looking at it as a hockey trade, ignoring Kane's baggage I like Stafford + Myers + Armia for Bogo + Kane + Kasdorf. Bogo has been such a dud that his value is about = to what we got from Stafford. So Myers + Armia for Kane. So there I am, dividing it up. Just adding up the values. Kasdorf is pretty much a non-entity (sorry Jason, nothing personal). Close enough for a tie already for me. Any edge, either way is slight. If you like, we can toss Lemieux on that pile just to make sure we have covered off all the value. We are still ahead by whatever Roslovic turns into.

Curious why you're treating Lemieux as a throw in that is hardly even worth mentioning. Kasdorf, yes I'll consider him as that, but IMO Lemieux was a highly desired piece in that deal from our end, as was Armia, Stafford, and the 1st. Bogo for Myers was largely considered a saw off at the time, but I suspect Chevy was keener in including him than Buffalo might have been

 

[Huffer]

I disagree with that.

We will have to see what Kane fetches and what Roslovic does for the Jets and you have to factor Armia in to this as well and I think Army has been an extremely underestimated part of our success this year.

Unless Roslovic ends up a dud (doesn't seem likely) or Buffalo hits a home run with the pick/ prospect they get for Kane, I think we win that part of the deal, too.

Don't forget Staff was important for us to get into the playoffs, which also can't be understated.

I think it will get blurry when Kane is traded. Do those assets then get evaluated as part of the trade? Do we need to see what we get back from Myers if he's dealt? Do the re-signed years of Stafford count? etc, etc. At some point it has to end I think.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think it will get blurry when Kane is traded. Do those assets then get evaluated as part of the trade? Do we need to see what we get back from Myers if he's dealt? Do the re-signed years of Stafford count? etc, etc. At some point it has to end I think.

I think you have to look at from just the stand point of the deal between the two teams and not anything they did after the fact. For instance if Armia in 4 or 5 years becomes to expensive so we deal him for draft picks/prospects do we keep counting that? No. If Buffalo wins the draft lotto this year and gets Dahlin I am sure some people will point out the Kane deal got them that pick so it is a win.

Who has been the better team after this deal was made. Who is going to be the better team for the future?

 

[CaptainChef]

i was at the game last night and i can tell you that the Jets won the trade and that Kane is gross

Kane is hot & cold, but calling him an effective top 6 player is a bit of a stretch because he meshes so poorly with other skilled players. That's why he was never worth squat on the PP as well. Roslovik on the other hand has always very complementary when playing with skilled linemates and IMO he will be a very good top 6 if not a top line NHLer.

 

[Monkey D Luffy]

I think you have to look at from just the stand point of the deal between the two teams and not anything they did after the fact. For instance if Armia in 4 or 5 years becomes to expensive so we deal him for draft picks/prospects do we keep counting that? No. If Buffalo wins the draft lotto this year and gets Dahlin I am sure some people will point out the Kane deal got them that pick so it is a win.

Who has been the better team after this deal was made. Who is going to be the better team for the future?

The trade changed both teams fortunes forever. You can take a lot of things in to consideration and if Kane is dealt before doing anything for them it looks like we won that deal regardless of what poor team trades for him.

Like I've said many times, Kane will not be successful until he swallows his pride and plays on a good team's 3rd line. That team I could see winning a Stanley Cup.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I disagree with that.

We will have to see what Kane fetches and what Roslovic does for the Jets and you have to factor Armia in to this as well and I think Army has been an extremely underestimated part of our success this year.

Unless Roslovic ends up a dud (doesn't seem likely) or Buffalo hits a home run with the pick/ prospect they get for Kane, I think we win that part of the deal, too.

Don't forget Staff was important for us to get into the playoffs, which also can't be understated.

I'm not sure it works that way.

I don't think it matter what Kane fetches. Just like it didn't matter what we got when we traded Stafford after the fact. If we trade Myers this summer, does that return factor into the trade?

If it did, you couldn't evaluate any trade until the last guy linked to the trade retires!

As it stands, this was an excellent trade for the Winnipeg Jets, less so for the Buffalo Sabres.

 

[Huffer]

I think you have to look at from just the stand point of the deal between the two teams and not anything they did after the fact. For instance if Armia in 4 or 5 years becomes to expensive so we deal him for draft picks/prospects do we keep counting that? No. If Buffalo wins the draft lotto this year and gets Dahlin I am sure some people will point out the Kane deal got them that pick so it is a win.

Who has been the better team after this deal was made. Who is going to be the better team for the future?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

and of course on Queue

Kane, Falk downplay practice spat: 'Emotions are running high' - Article - TSN

 

[Atoyot]

Remember prior to last season when Kane had been the only Jet to hit the 30 goal mark in a single season? 3 players are pacing for 30+ goals right now (Connor, Laine, Ehlers), Scheifele was pacing for 32 prior to his injury, and Perreault is pacing for 30 over a full season. This is such a different team than the one we received.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Remember prior to last season when Kane had been the only Jet to hit the 30 goal mark in a single season? 3 players are pacing for 30+ goals right now (Connor, Laine, Ehlers), Scheifele was pacing for 32 prior to his injury, and Perreault is pacing for 30 over a full season. This is such a different team than the one we received.

I'd say so, yep:

 

[Howard Chuck]

and of course on Queue

Kane, Falk downplay practice spat: 'Emotions are running high' - Article - TSN

Funny how there's always something to downplay with Kane

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I think Laine should be glued together with Hendricks. At least a demotion to the third line. He's lacking urgency. Good to see that he's putting up some PP points.

I'm really happy to see that Armia is playing ok. I wish his shot was a little more accurate though , he might be good for some 40-50 points per year when he hits his prime.

Hopefully he waits until we re-sign him to hit such lofty point totals

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I divided the trade into two portions when it happend. The Kane for Rental and Futures, and the Myers for Bogo swap.

Right now, I'd give Buffalo the advantage on the Kane portion of the trade, value wise. It was important to get a year of Stafford, and some nice prospects, but Kane is by far the best player out of that group at this point, and honestly, unless Roslovic develops into a 2nd line centre, he will be the best player in that portion. The Jets were forced by the locker room to make the trade, so I think Chevy did a nice job, but that portion isn't as one sided as Winnipeggers make it seem.

On the other hand, the Myers for Bogo swap was really nice for the Jets.

People often forget the bag of pucks we gave them (Kasdorf).
I don't just look at points.
When you take the games that Kane has missed into account and the trouble he has caused I think you can call Stafford (rental), Armia, Lemieux and a 1st (Roslovic) a win over Kane.

Stafford alone outscored Kane in the first year that we had him.
Armia brings a lot more than scoring to the table and Kane will literally be off of Buffalo's team in a matter of weeks. At that point were comparing Kasdorf + injured again Bogosian and what ever picks that Buffalo got to our haul.

It's not really close.
They would have to hit a home run with the pick(s) they get for Kane.