Post-Game Talk: Jets 2 - Wild 1 in OT

[Jetfaninflorida]

Love the 3 - 0 start. Damn! Sweeeet.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I'm not sure the Jets are playing all that great right now but the points don't lie.
How we get the points is important but not as important as you think.
We've been world beaters in December only to look hapless by the spring.
So regardless of how we rack em up, just keep piling up the points.
Col and Edm are sitting at the bottom of the conference but likely to end near the top.

That means we need to finish high enough to survive the eventual surges of the top teams who are starting weakly.

Also I notice I haven't been screaming about Pionk at my TV screen so maybe he's playing better?

 

[Adam da bomb]

That isn't it at all. Nothing against what they have done. Nothing at all. It is about what they don't do, which is win their matchups at 5v5, the largest part of the game. Jets have only surrendered 2 goals so far (thanks Helle!) so they have not given up more than they have scored at 5v5. But we know it is coming.

We know, or think we know, that both Scheifele and Connor are more productive apart than they are together. We want to see that implemented as the norm for a long enough trial to either confirm or debunk that belief. They can still play together in all of those non 5v5 situations.

After 3 games, 6 of our 10 goals came in the first game against poor goaltending. Everything went in and it was mostly our bottom 6 that scored. The other 2 games were 2-1 wins in OT. We can all see that our top offensive players, all 5 of them, are not scoring anything, particularly at 5v5. We don't have much to lose by shaking up those 2 lines, one way or another.

Also that 1st line got a minus 1 by a weak goal that Helly let in. In addition, unlike the other lines 5v 5 Villardi and Connor have hit a number of posts and crossbars. Those don’t count for anything, but, definitely show that they have been good. That if they get a few inches lower the first line has a handful more goals. Can’t say that bout any other lines.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Also that 1st line got a minus 1 by a weak goal that Helly let in. In addition, unlike the other lines 5v 5 Villardi and Connor have hit a number of posts and crossbars. Those don’t count for anything, but, definitely show that they have been good. That if they get a few inches lower the first line has a handful more goals. Can’t say that bout any other lines.

I didn't count that against them.

I don't care how many posts and crossbars they hit. They have also been bottled up in the D zone, as usual. Actually, maybe a little less than usual but still enough. If Helle hadn't bailed them out, they would have those negatives against them.

Those of us who want change on the first line don't deny that they score. The problem is what they give up is at least as much.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I didn't count that against them.

I don't care how many posts and crossbars they hit. They have also been bottled up in the D zone, as usual. Actually, maybe a little less than usual but still enough. If Helle hadn't bailed them out, they would have those negatives against them.

Those of us who want change on the first line don't deny that they score. The problem is what they give up is at least as much.

The person who has been giving up the most this season is Ehlers, you'd swear that he just found out he is Italian.

Also, I think crossbars and posts are inches from goals. Also no one ever talks about Villardi maybe if he gets his act together Schief-Connor look better.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The person who has been giving up the most this season is Ehlers, you'd swear that he just found out he is Italian.

Also, I think crossbars and posts are inches from goals. Also no one ever talks about Villardi maybe if he gets his act together Schief-Connor look better.

Ehlers has not been his usual self so far this season. It is 3 games FCS. We have had 6 years to figure out what Scheif and Connor do together.

If you are going to count posts and crossbars, then you need to count the saves Helle makes behind them too. They also are just inches from goals.

Another option to breaking up Scheif and KC is to play Ehlers in Vilardi's spot. We have some history of that and it worked very well, in a small sample. Vilardi might be just what the Dr ordered for Names and Perfetti. Swapping Ehlers and Connor is not the ONLY possibility.

 

[10Ducky10]

Perfetti Scheif Volare
KFC Names Ehlers

 

[ennsjd07]

Perfetti Scheif Volare
KFC Names Ehlers

Slowest top line ever.

 

[WolfHouse]

Id like to see perfetti on the top line to try and get him going but id also promote barron to 2C

 

[WolfHouse]

Yup we've had a wide variety of 6,7,8s on our roster over the past dozen years and there ain't much to choose between them.

If we would have kept Kova I'm sure people'd be bitching about this slow useless guy blocking our younger guys too.

I'm happy with our defensive depth. I'm just chomping at the bit to REALLY see what we have in Heinola, but even without him our bottom D depth is proving to be solid if unspectacular.

The big area of improvement for this d corps is the second pair RD - just praying that Pionk can find his way this year.

Nah we would be crowing about what an amazing draft develop team we are and how pionk is overpaid on our 3rd pairing..

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ehlers has not been his usual self so far this season. It is 3 games FCS. We have had 6 years to figure out what Scheif and Connor do together.

If you are going to count posts and crossbars, then you need to count the saves Helle makes behind them too. They also are just inches from goals.

Another option to breaking up Scheif and KC is to play Ehlers in Vilardi's spot. We have some history of that and it worked very well, in a small sample. Vilardi might be just what the Dr ordered for Names and Perfetti. Swapping Ehlers and Connor is not the ONLY possibility.

We have Helly. I’ll let Helly earn his money and take 1 of the 4 lines potentially offering us offence then none.

 

[Guardian17]

 

[Jets 31]

Ehlers has not been his usual self so far this season. It is 3 games FCS. We have had 6 years to figure out what Scheif and Connor do together.

If you are going to count posts and crossbars, then you need to count the saves Helle makes behind them too. They also are just inches from goals.

Another option to breaking up Scheif and KC is to play Ehlers in Vilardi's spot. We have some history of that and it worked very well, in a small sample. Vilardi might be just what the Dr ordered for Names and Perfetti. Swapping Ehlers and Connor is not the ONLY possibility.

I don't care what the lines are but why change anything right now when we are 3-0 ? If we lose a couple of games sure mix it up but right now i wouldn't change anything.

 

[Jet]

Nah we would be crowing about what an amazing draft develop team we are and how pionk is overpaid on our 3rd pairing..

Lol are you new here?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We have Helly. I’ll let Helly earn his money and take 1 of the 4 lines potentially offering us offence then none.

But that is not the choice. Even with Helle behind them, they give up more goals than they score at 5v5.

Swap Ehlers and Connor and 2 lines both score more and give up less. Or, at least that is what the data appears to show. The coaches all seem to disagree but their reasoning is not apparent.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't care what the lines are but why change anything right now when we are 3-0 ? If we lose a couple of games sure mix it up but right now i wouldn't change anything.

OK, but we can see the lack of offence from our scoring lines. Why wait until we lose some number of games? 2 of those 3 wins were 2-1 in OT. They could just as easily have been losses. Yes, I know, we didn't lose, we won. But OT is so near to a coin toss that we shouldn't get overly optimistic because of a 3-0 record.

Both of those lines need to get going. No one complains about suggestions to get the ENP line going but any suggestion of changing CSV is some kind of heresy. CSV has looked a little better to the eye-test but the results are no different.

 

[Buffdog]

But that is not the choice. Even with Helle behind them, they give up more goals than they score at 5v5.

Swap Ehlers and Connor and 2 lines both score more and give up less. Or, at least that is what the data appears to show. The coaches all seem to disagree but their reasoning is not apparent.

Clearly the coaches have a reason for doing the things the way they do. Why not just accept that you don't know what that reason is (and that it could be valid) and move on?

 

[gojetsgo]

top line is currently shooting 0% at 5v5, I think that will change as long as they keep shooting the puck...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Clearly the coaches have a reason for doing the things the way they do. Why not just accept that you don't know what that reason is (and that it could be valid) and move on?

I do accept it.
It would be a lot easier to move on if this site wasn't full of people defending it.

 

[Buffdog]

I do accept it.
It would be a lot easier to move on if this site wasn't full of people defending it.

Really?

Why do you think I talk about it? I'd love to not have to point all these things out tother same 5-10 posters almost every single day

 

[10Ducky10]

In no order...

Perfetti Scheif Nino
Ehlers Names Iafallo
KC Kup Volare
Barron Lowry Apples

 

[KingBogo]

In no order...

Perfetti Scheif Nino
Ehlers Names Iafallo
KC Kup Volare
Barron Lowry Apples

The chances of Arniel moving KC to the 3rd line after the last 2 games to play with Kupari, who is a black hole for offense, is probably worse than your chances of winning 649 this week.

 

[JetsFan815]

OK, but we can see the lack of offence from our scoring lines. Why wait until we lose some number of games? 2 of those 3 wins were 2-1 in OT. They could just as easily have been losses. Yes, I know, we didn't lose, we won. But OT is so near to a coin toss that we shouldn't get overly optimistic because of a 3-0 record.

Both of those lines need to get going. No one complains about suggestions to get the ENP line going but any suggestion of changing CSV is some kind of heresy. CSV has looked a little better to the eye-test but the results are no different.

And 2 of the 3 games were against a lottery team and a team on the 2nd of a back to back missing their 1C and 1D. Good to get the wins and bank those points for sure but there are clear obvious issues, some of them the same issues as from last season which sank us in the playoffs.

I too love it when the 2 highest paid players on my fav team are outshot and outscored in the one situation where they play 80% of their minutes in. Esp when there is a simple proven fix which might bring both those lines to respectability at 5v5 while keeping the gravy train rolling at 3 on 3, PP and other situations. Last season the Jets had 3 6 on 5 goals, and 7 the season before, they already have 2 this season... there is hard cap to how much the Jets can win games in the manner they won these two.

In the end they are gonna live or die by their 5 on 5 play and the sooner that can be brought to respectability the better. They certainly should not be waiting until losses to try to make the changes, esp since the stuff that isn't working is so conveniently isolated that changes can be made without affecting things that are working.

 

[10Ducky10]

The chances of Arniel moving KC to the 3rd line after the last 2 games to play with Kupari, who is a black hole for offense, is probably worse than your chances of winning 649 this week.

Right on, I have a ticket...

 

[Duke749]

My take, is it is a push back against those we don't seem to appreciate the pure visual enjoyment of elite offensive players. Scheifele and Connor basically just won us 2 hockey games with pure offensive skill, but for some that isn't good enough because those goals weren't 5-5. They have however scored 3 times at even strength, but that doesn't meet the test as it has to be 5-5. I was out at the lake for the weekend so I wasn't around here much, but more casual fans were buzzing about how exciting the wins were and talking about what great players Scheifele and Connor are. That is what will bring out fans. Winning hockey games with highlight reel goals.

I believe they just have to simply score more when they’re on the ice vs getting scored on. I’ve accepted that they will not be an elite top line at ES. But that’s fine as long as they keep finding ways to score. Lowry’s line seems to just keep getting better each year. I’m truly astonished at their elite play. They’re our true 2nd line.