Post-Game Talk: Jets 2 - Coyotes 1

[Jets 31]

Yep, even 5v5 this team just insists on playing perimeter, low to high hockey. Nobody drives the middle lanes and pushes the D back towards their goal line, the cycle rarely if ever gets the puck into the small spaces in tight beside the net, just rims it back to the point for either a lame shot from the blue line or to rim it back down low. The PP is just static as hell, that’s if they can even set it up. Their failure to consistently gain the zone is an indication of how easy it is to gap the Jets up, it’s exacerbated 5v5. They are an easy team to hold up at the blue line because they play everything East-west.
Something has to change, it’s killing them all over the ice.

Totally agree and it's very frustrating to watch, their PK is so good at being aggressive all the time, just play the PP the same way.

 

[tbcwpg]

I’m not a Jets fan, but Winnipeg will play in the cup finals this year.

Trolling is prohibited on this site good sir

 

[LowLefty]

Bones has done it for short periods but then goes right back to the old lines.

PLD is struggling right now - especially with possession.
KC is not going to work playing with a center that is struggling with the puck.
I get the frustration with KC but he'll need to work that out along with the rest of the top guys that are struggling right now.
The major issues, as far as connecting on the ice, are KC, Scheif, and PLD - I wish is was as easy as a blender but there's more to it.
A dirty goal or two wouldn't hurt - that's what I'm waiting for. Hopefully that will trigger these guys.

 

[Jet]

I have been as frustrated as the rest for most of the post all star break - for me its all about execution. Pass making, reception, and timing has been abysmal. Guys are skating into traffic and turning the puck over. Puck support is nearly non existent. Shots aren't accurate, if they get them through at all. North south speed is rare, and when it does happen it's one guy on the ice.

These guys have not suddenly forgotten how to play hockey. The real question is, is 10 games enough to get their mojo back? It's all between their ears at this point.

In the spirit of staying positive, here's my 'good news'

Nino and Namestnikov are veteran guys who know how to play in the playoffs.

Barron is really starting to blossom.

Ehlers is starting to come back to life

The Jets defense (team) continues to be very good. Yes, we've gotten hemmed in for significant periods in games, but we generally give less high quality chances and keep teams to the perimeter.

The pk is great

Those 2 items bode well for playoff hockey.

Hellebuyck.

If we can ever figure out how to get our talent scoring again this season could still end up pretty successful for us.

This spell has reinforced that no matter what happens, this team absolutely needs a retool in the offseason.

I have a list of guys id move but let's see how the playoffs shake down first.

 

[Stumbledore]

For all my money, as long as the bikinis and the speedos appear in fair and proportionate numbers, there's nothing wrong with a salacious infusion to our fanbase

If you're expecting something salacious, you're going to be as disappointed as she predicted we would be.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Trying to get a playoff spot might be the best thing for this team to get out of this funk it's like everyone not named Nino Helle and Joshua game has gone in the tank. We need to start seeing a more consistent effort and what better time then this road trip.

Agree, but thought Nik and (as usual) Names and Barron have been consistently playing well and/or scoring reliably of late.

Biggest issues now are the everyday execution of what should by now be simple hockey tasks -- like taking a pass on your stick, playing a position and taking advantage of a PP.

The key player issues IMO are still 55 and 81 (who the hell knows), PLD (injured) and 26 (slowing down and overplayed) and Pionk, who should be sitting long and hard.

The rest of the team are pretty much who we knew they were.

 

[Inanna]

Hey @Inanna . Just kidding but you should never bet against Jane. Isn't that right @Guffman

Soon.

 

[sipowicz]

On a positive note, Morgan Baron sure works his ass off.

So did James Wright, both accomplished little!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That 2nd period!!!
Outshot 18-3 by the Arizona Coyotes. Good grief!
And Jets really do need to start declining the penalties. It isn't much more but they are more dangerous at even strength than they are with the extra man.

 

[Guffman]

Trolling is prohibited on this site good sir

Since when?!

 

[Ducky10]

I have been as frustrated as the rest for most of the post all star break - for me its all about execution. Pass making, reception, and timing has been abysmal. Guys are skating into traffic and turning the puck over. Puck support is nearly non existent. Shots aren't accurate, if they get them through at all. North south speed is rare, and when it does happen it's one guy on the ice.

These guys have not suddenly forgotten how to play hockey. The real question is, is 10 games enough to get their mojo back? It's all between their ears at this point.

In the spirit of staying positive, here's my 'good news'

Nino and Namestnikov are veteran guys who know how to play in the playoffs.

Barron is really starting to blossom.

Ehlers is starting to come back to life

The Jets defense (team) continues to be very good. Yes, we've gotten hemmed in for significant periods in games, but we generally give less high quality chances and keep teams to the perimeter.

The pk is great

Those 2 items bode well for playoff hockey.

Hellebuyck.

If we can ever figure out how to get our talent scoring again this season could still end up pretty successful for us.

This spell has reinforced that no matter what happens, this team absolutely needs a retool in the offseason.

I have a list of guys id move but let's see how the playoffs shake down first.

The execution is a huge part but it’s something so many seem to make excuses for them about. This is pro hockey, execution matters, what good is playing well for most of the game only to fail to execute at crucial times. Offensively and defensively their breakdowns in execution are killing them. How many games have they failed to execute on countless chances, only to have a breakdown in their own end and the other team capitalizes? These are the differences in games at this level, the margins are thin.

 

[surixon]

I think there is a a good third line player in Barron. He needs to translate his work rate into more points to take that step but if he can he will be a great pick up from the Copp trade.

 

[surixon]

The execution is a huge part but it’s something so many seem to make excuses for them about. This is pro hockey, execution matters, what good is playing well for most of the game only to fail to execute at crucial times. Offensively and defensively their breakdowns in execution are killing them. How many games have they failed to execute on countless chances, only to have a breakdown in their own end and the other team capitalizes? These are the differences in games at this level, the margins are thin.

This team just plays terrible offensive hockey. I don't know if it's the players being stubborn, poor coaching or what but it is garbage grind down low or up to the point for a long range shot with limited net coverage. No good team plays this brand of hockey anymore.

Throw in awful execution and is it any wonder we can't score much.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I think there is a a good third line player in Barron. He needs to translate his work rate into more points to take that step but if he can he will be a great pick up from the Copp trade.

Yep, I've been very impressed with his play over the past 20-odd games. His size and speed have always been there, but he's def on a Copp-like trajectory of learning his role and the league to the point where he has the confidence to try and succeed with more creative plays, while still doing the small things well.

That pass last night was a beaut, and like Names or Perreault or even Prime Copp, he is almost always doing something well no matter where he is on the ice.

The steady smart play of these guys kind of underlines the gap between what they do reliably well and what 55 and (sometimes) 81 are doing given the clear hierarchy of the Jets roster.

Why can't Barron play in the top 9 or even top 6?

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

I have been as frustrated as the rest for most of the post all star break - for me its all about execution. Pass making, reception, and timing has been abysmal. Guys are skating into traffic and turning the puck over. Puck support is nearly non existent. Shots aren't accurate, if they get them through at all. North south speed is rare, and when it does happen it's one guy on the ice.

These guys have not suddenly forgotten how to play hockey. The real question is, is 10 games enough to get their mojo back? It's all between their ears at this point.

In the spirit of staying positive, here's my 'good news'

Nino and Namestnikov are veteran guys who know how to play in the playoffs.

Barron is really starting to blossom.

Ehlers is starting to come back to life

The Jets defense (team) continues to be very good. Yes, we've gotten hemmed in for significant periods in games, but we generally give less high quality chances and keep teams to the perimeter.

The pk is great

Those 2 items bode well for playoff hockey.

Hellebuyck.

If we can ever figure out how to get our talent scoring again this season could still end up pretty successful for us.

This spell has reinforced that no matter what happens, this team absolutely needs a retool in the offseason.

I have a list of guys id move but let's see how the playoffs shake down first.

For the first time in a long time, I walked away from watching the game after period 2 last night. The first had me hoping. The second…..not so much. And as much as I’d like to stay positive, my answer to your question is ”No”.

I agree with most of your “good news” especially the PK. It was aggressive and quick so that the structure could be maintained overall.

A short list of forwards that I’d move: Scheifele, the guy (and we) needs a change of scenery and Wheeler needs to be moved down in the line-up.

 

[Stumbledore]

I think there is a a good third line player in Barron. He needs to translate his work rate into more points to take that step but if he can he will be a great pick up from the Copp trade.

It's not like Copp has done much of anything in Detroit. 8 goals in 70 games? Not the sort of thing you trade for.

 

[Jets 31]

It's not like Copp has done much of anything in Detroit. 8 goals in 70 games? Not the sort of thing you trade for.

I think he meant getting Barron in the trade for Copp was a good thing and i would agree.

 

[Jet]

The execution is a huge part but it’s something so many seem to make excuses for them about. This is pro hockey, execution matters, what good is playing well for most of the game only to fail to execute at crucial times. Offensively and defensively their breakdowns in execution are killing them. How many games have they failed to execute on countless chances, only to have a breakdown in their own end and the other team capitalizes? These are the differences in games at this level, the margins are thin.

No argument here.

 

[Jet]

This team just plays terrible offensive hockey. I don't know if it's the players being stubborn, poor coaching or what but it is garbage grind down low or up to the point for a long range shot with limited net coverage. No good team plays this brand of hockey anymore.

Throw in awful execution and is it any wonder we can't score much.

I'd say that play style is definitely appropriate for the bottom 6, but it seems like they're trying to force the top 2 lines to do it as well which doesn't play to their strengths.

It's a waste of talent, and no winner why we're so awful at scoring off the rush

 

[Stumbledore]

I think he meant getting Barron in the trade for Copp was a good thing and i would agree.

Yeah, I totally agree. Keeping one eye on indictment news and waiting for Inanna's supposed bikini avatar so I didn't express myself well. I meant to say that Barron is a vast improvement over Copp who has done little to endear himself with Detroit while proving that Chevy/PoMo had the right opinion of him.

 

[Jet]

For the first time in a long time, I walked away from watching the game after period 2 last night. The first had me hoping. The second…..not so much. And as much as I’d like to stay positive, my answer to your question is ”No”.

I agree with most of your “good news” especially the PK. It was aggressive and quick so that the structure could be maintained overall.

A short list of forwards that I’d move: Scheifele, the guy (and we) needs a change of scenery and Wheeler needs to be moved down in the line-up.

I'd be looking at any way to move Wheeler. I think a deal with Florida is possible as long as we retain and don't expect anything back.

I think part of a fresh start is letting him go.

 

[snowkiddin]

I’m not a Jets fan, but Winnipeg will play in the cup finals this year.

I agree the Bombers have a good shot, but it’s too early to speculate on that IMO

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Hey @Inanna . Just kidding but you should never bet against Jane. Isn't that right @Guffman

I see no one is urging for the speedo pic, or me in the buff (jersey)

(If I had the photoshop skills, I'd post a George Jetson image wearing a Byfuglien jersey )

 

[cbcwpg]

I'd be looking at any way to move Wheeler. I think a deal with Florida is possible as long as we retain and don't expect anything back.

I think part of a fresh start is letting him go.

I'm hoping Wheeler decides he has had enough and just retires. No asset back, but no retention, and no buy out, Jets get cap space back to work with.

 

[Stumbledore]

I see no one is urging for the speedo pic, or me in the buff (jersey)

(If I had the photoshop skills, I'd post a George Jetson image wearing a Byfuglien jersey )

She's offline now or I'm sure she'd be clamoring for your speedo pic.

I wore a speedo for many years, especially in Mexico and Spain and France, but I had to give it up a few years ago. One day on the beach, I had a crowd of Greenpeace types rush up and yelling to each other: "If we get it back in the water we can save it."

(That joke played better in the years before The Whale came out.)