Rumor: Jesse Puljujarvi Part 3: Maybe He Picked Out His Brain Through His Nose One Lick at a Time?

[bobbythebrain]

And your education system seems to be top notch. Enviable reading comprehension and debate skills.

You compared Jesse to Gretzky. You're no scholar

 

[Drivesaitl]

Lolol

Sussed the poster out as a troll months ago. I have good instinct for that kind of thing..

But he really ramped it up this week. Go hard and go home.

 

[frag2]

When the Edmonton Journal (/Kurt Leavins) wrote positive articles about Jesse I was often told it can't be taken seriously as they write anything to support what helps the team and the organization. Maybe that should be kept in mind now, too.

Like I've said I wasn't too happy about the Oilers saying publicly they are ready to give up on Puljujarvi last spring. In general it's sometimes hard to understand how different the workers rights sometimes are in NA. I really like Canada, but it's just strange the team could basically do almost anything but the player would need to stay for at least 7-8 years. I guess that's a cultural difference between NA and Europe.

I'll stay out of this (poisonous straight from the title) thread, but have followed what's going on and I'm excited to see how the team will do next year. I like some of the little moves and the Lucic/Neal deal looks very good. I still believe some conditional picks could help to ensure you get a fairer value for Jesse if things click better next season. Good luck guys!

No you cite EJ as if that one small sample/single game = future performance. That's where people were calling you out on.

And you quote McCurdy and Staples...not exactly the best EJ sources, especially the latter.

Leavins isn't a stats guy. He just makes quips and tid bits.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

That's a bit tiring. AFAIK every single Finn over here has said (repeatedly in fact) there's also fault in Jesse. On the other hand there's plenty of posters who've never really blamed the organization in this case. I personally think and would like to say know there's fault in both sides. I won't write more about this anymore.

As for the CBA, to me it's extermely strict, no matter how one puts it. Well it's none of my business, but that's what I feel anyway. I understand teams want to own their young players like property, but on the other hand less strict rules would ensure there's more quality players available. Thus it wouldn't be only negative for the teams. The draft picks wouldn't be quite as valuable, but it'd be easier to fix the team by trades.

What is tiring is seeing JPs failures being blamed on everything but Jesse and now include McDavid. Perhaps the lunar eclipse cycle or global warming should also be blamed. You obviously haven't read this entire thread or the ones preceding it then. I think Jesse's best friends were posting.

I completely disagree with your viewpoint of the CBA. While not perfect, it protects players rights and all teams ability to be competitive. Less strict rules would result in exactly the opposite and because of the salary cap trades are near impossible to make without the corresponding financial gymnastics.

Like I said. If Jesse doesn't like it here, he can play in some 2nd tier Finnish league. Nobody is stopping him. But if he wants to play in the NHL he has to abide by the rules which both the players and the teams have agreed too. He doesn't have to sign with the Oilers. The Oilers don't have to trade him.

 

[guymez]

The advantage of interviewing him in his native language is not overblown. Often times it's not the answer to a question that is enlightening, but how they answer.

Absolutely.
When you are getting blank looks and answers like "Me play best hockey" its hard to derive anything meaningful from that.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Dont forget, youre responsible for screwing up his trade value.

YOU MONSTER!!

Yeah I feel pretty bad about that. Sorry HF Oil. I done f***ed up.

 

[Drivesaitl]

btw this is Edmonton, the place that reportedly nobody wants to come to that is one of the fastest growing cities;

This is Heritage Festival going on right now. An event that flirts with 500k attendees.



This is Edmonton Folk Music Festival going on next week;



This is Edmonton Fringe Festival going on the week after;




This is a weekend or daytrip away;



Yeah, what a shit place to live...

 

[guymez]

When the Edmonton Journal (/Kurt Leavins) wrote positive articles about Jesse I was often told it can't be taken seriously as they write anything to support what helps the team and the organization. Maybe that should be kept in mind now, too.

Like I've said I wasn't too happy about the Oilers saying publicly they are ready to give up on Puljujarvi last spring. In general it's sometimes hard to understand how different the workers rights sometimes are in NA. I really like Canada, but it's just strange the team could basically do almost anything but the player would need to stay for at least 7-8 years. I guess that's a cultural difference between NA and Europe.

I'll stay out of this (poisonous straight from the title) thread, but have followed what's going on and I'm excited to see how the team will do next year. I like some of the little moves and the Lucic/Neal deal looks very good. I still believe some conditional picks could help to ensure you get a fairer value for Jesse if things click better next season. Good luck guys!

You and I have exchanged posts on Jesse's failure to become an NHL player a few times and its often puzzled me why you think that there is much less culpability for Jesse than there is for the Oilers.
I am really curious to hear...why is that the case?

 

[McBooya42]

That's a bit tiring. AFAIK every single Finn over here has said (repeatedly in fact) there's also fault in Jesse. On the other hand there's plenty of posters who've never really blamed the organization in this case. I personally think and would like to say know there's fault in both sides. I won't write more about this anymore.

As for the CBA, to me it's extermely strict, no matter how one puts it. Well it's none of my business, but that's what I feel anyway. I understand teams want to own their young players like property, but on the other hand less strict rules would ensure there's more quality players available. Thus it wouldn't be only negative for the teams. The draft picks wouldn't be quite as valuable, but it'd be easier to fix the team by trades.

It IS easy to fix the team by trades, as long as the two teams agree on the trade.

 

[GameChanger]

You and I have exchanged posts on Jesse's failure to become an NHL player a few times and its often puzzled me why you think that there is much less culpability for Jesse than there is for the Oilers.
I am really curious to hear...why is that the case?

Like clockwork. I've said again and again that there's also fault in Puljujarvi. I admit I've gone to details only rarely and maybe too rarely, but I've done it at least a few times anyway. No-one is perfect and that applies to myself, too, but the ones who almost never see anything wrong in the organization shouldn't be the ones blaming me for seeing things from only one side.

At least I haven't tried to affect others' opinions and comments for ages, but when I write here (once in several weeks lately) I get posts that make me feel unwelcome. Puljujarvi's been called an idiot, lazy, stubborn and all kinds of things over here and some of that rage and hatred spills over posters like myself. I mean look at the name of this thread, it's even funny it's come to this. I actually came here to find out how to delete my account and thought I'd write once more.

The fact is I don't know exactly what's going on. What I know is Puljujarvi hasn't played as well as I hoped at times and when he's done I haven't always been happy with the reward or lack of it. Whether it's being immature or lack of development, but of course he could've done his part better.

But I am not suprised it's come to this as I thought McLellan did just the right things to hurt his development. I feel McLellan made Pulju a kind of a scapegoat in the team and Puljujarvi has trouble in breaking away from that even when McLellan is gone. I honestly hoped things would've gone differently, but at the same time I have my reasons to believe Puljujarvi has pretty strong reasons to ask for a change of scenary.

 

[Aerrol]

I can't subscribe to the bolded at all and mainly because its revisionist thought.

Literally everybody at the time was saying that Hitch was showing faith in Pulju, giving him a fresh chance, fresh start, and with prospects the constant line of thought has usually been give them chances, several, in the show, to experience it, grow into the NHL game, gain their confidence here etc. Virtually nothing was served in having this 4th pick player toil in the AHL.

The trouble with what you are saying on this is it subscribes to the can't win line of thinking. If the Oilers fail to bring up Pulju they are burying him in the minors. If they bring up Pulju its far too early, he's not ready yada yada. I blame this org for things all day but this one is on Pulju, and its up to him to deal with the several chances given.

You of all people should know better than to apply remembered 'majority opinion' to a specific poster. I wanted Pulju in the AHL before the season started. I was happy when he was finally sent down. I was very skeptical when Hitch said he was going to fix Pulju but hoped for the best. You can look up the posts if you want.

 

[Panda Bear]

You and I have exchanged posts on Jesse's failure to become an NHL player a few times and its often puzzled me why you think that there is much less culpability for Jesse than there is for the Oilers.
I am really curious to hear...why is that the case?

I'll chime in: a professional organization full of people who have been in the industry for decades are supposed to be more mature and make better decisions than a foreign teenager who probably has a learning disability.

 

[Aerrol]

I'll chime in: a professional organization full of people who have been in the industry for decades are supposed to be more mature and make better decisions than a foreign teenager who probably has a learning disability.

Lol although I agree with the main point here, a learning disability is a bit of a leap to make, no?

 

[frag2]

Like clockwork. I've said again and again that there's also fault in Puljujarvi. I admit I've gone to details only rarely and maybe too rarely, but I've done it at least a few times anyway. No-one is perfect and that applies to myself, too, but the ones who almost never see anything wrong in the organization shouldn't be the ones blaming me for seeing things from only one side.

At least I haven't tried to affect others' opinions and comments for ages, but when I write here (once in several weeks lately) I get posts that make me feel unwelcome. Puljujarvi's been called an idiot, lazy, stubborn and all kinds of things over here and some of that rage and hatred spills over posters like myself. I mean look at the name of this thread, it's even funny it's come to this. I actually came here to find out how to delete my account and thought I'd write once more.

The fact is I don't know exactly what's going on. What I know is Puljujarvi hasn't played as well as I hoped at times and when he's done I haven't always been happy with the reward or lack of it. Whether it's being immature or lack of development, but of course he could've done his part better.

But I am not suprised it's come to this as I thought McLellan did just the right things to hurt his development. I feel McLellan made Pulju a kind of a scapegoat in the team and Puljujarvi has trouble in breaking away from that even when McLellan is gone. I honestly hoped things would've gone differently, but at the same time I have my reasons to believe Puljujarvi has pretty strong reasons to ask for a change of scenary.

Are you Jesse by chance?

In all fairness, he is pretty much what everyone has stated: lazy, stubborn, idiot.
If he wasn't lazy, he'd actually do what's told of him
If he wasn't stubborn, he'd actually do what's told of him
If he wasn't an idiot, he'd actually do what's told of him AND fire his agent...though it could just be we're all trolled by Jesse and really, he was the mastermind all along.

It's funny you mention TMac because I was never a fan of his but in hindsight, him sheltering JP in a reduced role is exactly what he needed for his development since him and his agent were so butt hurt over being sent down to the AHL

 

[Mickelsnitz]

You and I have exchanged posts on Jesse's failure to become an NHL player a few times and its often puzzled me why you think that there is much less culpability for Jesse than there is for the Oilers.
I am really curious to hear...why is that the case?

I'll chime in: a professional organization full of people who have been in the industry for decades are supposed to be more mature and make better decisions than a foreign teenager who probably has a learning disability.

I’m going with some people take ownership of themselves and some blame everything but themselves. Kinda like making excuses for failure.
Like that learning disability speculation type excuse.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You of all people should know better than to apply remembered 'majority opinion' to a specific poster. I wanted Pulju in the AHL before the season started. I was happy when he was finally sent down. I was very skeptical when Hitch said he was going to fix Pulju but hoped for the best. You can look up the posts if you want.

I'm simply saying your view, and others falls into a damned if you do scenario painting of the org always being at fault.

its not so simple. Plus if your view is that Pulju, multiple years into his pro career should still be playing most of the time in the AHL then that kind of confirms the players futility doesn't it.

This is a 4th pick forward with NHL size. This is not a player that should need or require a lot of AHL experience. That he does in your view is pretty much agreeing with my previous expressed view that he was over rated to begin with. You were one of the one standing by this pick and yet several NHL players picked lower are FAR BETTER. I was the one arguing that Pulju was over ranked as the NHL was having some kind of love affair with Finnish and Swedish players.

 

[RipsADrive]

Thinking back, besides the two playoff runs and McDavid, two of the times I've been most excited as an Oilers fan were them winning the chance to draft Yakupov and Puljujarvi falling to number 4. I need to learn not to fall in love with draft profiles.

Time for a new avatar I guess; I was still holding out hope that the situation could be salvageable.

 

[Shathar]

Man that Finnish guy was really nuts! Going to miss him.

No one dislikes Jesse because he's terrible at hockey, it's because he seems like he's an arsehole.

 

[Bangers]

btw this is Edmonton, the place that reportedly nobody wants to come to that is one of the fastest growing cities;

This is Heritage Festival going on right now. An event that flirts with 500k attendees.

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This is Edmonton Folk Music Festival going on next week;



This is Edmonton Fringe Festival going on the week after;




This is a weekend or daytrip away;



Yeah, what a **** place to live...

You've cherry picked images from the 2 months of the year Edmonton is livable (which coincides with the time of year most players move back to their home town).

Now contrast those with images from the drive from YEG to the arena district in the middle of January (or even worse, Northlands back in the day), which is what most players see when they come to Edmonton, and you can see why it's not exactly a popular destination.

 

[Soundwave]

The Oilers really need to look at overall skill when drafting people, both Puljujarvi and Paajarvi have a distinct lack of offensive finish and neither possess elite playmaking skill either.

Those should have been two huge red flags.

Jesse wants to play like Laine, the difference is Laine is much better because he has the second best shot release on the planet earth. Jesse has nothing comparable to that.

 

[Aerrol]

I'm simply saying your view, and others falls into a damned if you do scenario painting of the org always being at fault.

its not so simple. Plus if your view is that Pulju, multiple years into his pro career should still be playing most of the time in the AHL then that kind of confirms the players futility doesn't it.

This is a 4th pick forward with NHL size. This is not a player that should need or require a lot of AHL experience. That he does in your view is pretty much agreeing with my previous expressed view that he was over rated to begin with. You were one of the one standing by this pick and yet several NHL players picked lower are FAR BETTER. I was the one arguing that Pulju was over ranked as the NHL was having some kind of love affair with Finnish and Swedish players.

Your first paragraph is entirely irrelevant to everything I've ever said about the player. He's always been an obvious project to me and I've always wanted him to percolate in the minors or Europe for longer. It's not at all damned if you do and damned if you don't. I have been clear on this player: don't draft him as the Oilers, if you do so, don't rush him. If you insist on keeping him in the NHL, keep him with offensive talent in the hopes he can find chemistry. The Oilers have failed on all three counts.

You're simply making up some imagined stance of mine that I've never advocated, which is disappointing. I've always had the same position - I didn't want the Oilers to draft Puljujarvi, but since we did we should have handled his development completely different than we have.

He dominated lower levels and Finland continues to produce top level draft picks, that you're somehow turning this into yet another thread on NHL scouts 'overrating' European talents ignores the countless Canadians also drafted too high relative to the performance of picks drafted after them.

 

[Panda Bear]

I’m going with some people take ownership of themselves and some blame everything but themselves. Kinda like making excuses for failure.
Like that learning disability speculation type excuse.

That's great. People who take ownership of themselves tend to succeed where people who blame everyone but themselves fail. When you're inside the situation, attitude is critical. Who is at fault for what circumstances is irrelevant because all you can do, as that person, is your best to surmount them.

But we aren't the people involved, so we can take an outside perspective. This means that we can easily see that both Puljujarvi and the Oilers share fault.

It's not an either/or.

People who take the line that Puljujarvi is at fault for everything are, to be blunt, acting like idiots. So are the people on the other side.

The Oilers did not do a good job in setting Puljujarvi up for success. They let him live by himself, did not provide an English tutor, did not provide him clear mentorship, did not give him a consistent development path, and they allowed the situation to cascade to the point where Puljujarvi is so unhappy that he refuses to return to the organization.

On the other hand, Puljujarvi is not an overwhelming talent like McDavid so people aren't going to bend their knee to him. In order to succeed, he would need to adapt in terms of lifestyle and language as well as work habits and professional approach. He didn't (and it's likely that he just isn't smart nor mature enough to do it on his own.)

 

[Panda Bear]

As for learning disabilities, he's still awful at English, has had trouble adapting, makes immature decisions, and was known to be a "country bumpkin" and dim but good natured before he was even drafted.

 

[Panda Bear]

Short version: the Oilers failed to set Puljujarvi up for success, and he didn't have the ability as a person to overcome that.

 

[Soundwave]

Hockey ability transcends all in the end ... Jesse just doesn't have "it".

There's no aspect of his game that leaps off the screen and makes you think "elite".

Ovechkin can come off as dim witted in interviews too ... he has the talent to back up his hype though.

Jesse's basically a lot like Magnus Paajarvi, except PVR had a better skating stride, whereas Puljujarvi has a harder shot release, but still not good enough to give NHL tier goalies a headache. Throw in a dash of Yakupov.