Player Discussion Jesse Puljujarvi Part 11: Solid Return Season Completed, How Does Next Season Go For the Big Finn?

[Easternbull]

Lol how is Hyman a lesser player?

He is shorter.

 

[Whyme]

If Nuge gets injured at some point I hope they'll try Pulju in his place unless he's getting regular time by the net. I would actually like to see Pulju in that spot during the preseason as I honestly believe he could bring his piece of magic there. I think he's been great by the net and his stats reflect that as well, but his shot could also bring another threat that might open room for the others.

 

[K1984]

I get what you're saying, but if JP puts up 60 points this year, how do we afford him? What moves do we make to free up space? What literal moves?

I think Barrie and Kassian (should he have a good year) are movable in a cap clearing way.

Agree with the concept of limiting Bouchard and Puljujarvi's PP time if we can, however. Those two playing second fiddle to Barrie and Hyman on the PP has no material downside to the team and will 100% save us money.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

 

[Broberg Speed]

You can tell that Jaffa is the happiest dog in the world.

 

[Magnum23]

Best smile in the NHL its contagious

 

[Llamamoto]

I hope Jaffa is a Stargate reference.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I get what you're saying, but if JP puts up 60 points this year, how do we afford him? What moves do we make to free up space? What literal moves?

You worry about it IF he puts up 60 points. Is there a guarantee that JP can light it up? You play to win now, not play to win on the dollar and cents matter. If you are coaching and know for a fact JP's got a lethal shot near the slot on the PP, you put him there and make him get 50 goals if you have to. If you cannot sign him after winning the cup, then trade his sorry ass for picks and prospects and I assure you there will be a lineup of offers for a 50 goal scorer.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

We have another player that can play the role very well and is signed long term. May as well kick RNH and Hyman off of PP1 and put Jesse and Yamamoto on there so that we pay them more than they are currently worth next offseason or maybe we can be lucky enough to have them get offer sheeted because you thought that it'd be a great idea to pad the crap out of his stats. When Jesse grows his game more and is hopefully under contract for at least 3 more seasons, you start to see how he fits on PP1 if we start to struggle and need a new look there.

If JP wins the Rocket Richard trophy, then good, we can put him on the open market while he's hot and take the highest offer. Any 23 yr old who can light it up with +30 goals in a season will get you more than a plug. Let's say he lights it up and put up Mikko Rantanen numbers, we win the cup because JP gets 10PP goals in the playoffs, you sure fans should be crying about figuring out how to dish out 9mill for JP? I guarantee you fans will be busy planning the parade route first before worrying about 9mill.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

You can tell that Jaffa is the happiest dog in the world.

Golden Retilo's are usually really happy dogs.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I think Barrie and Kassian (should he have a good year) are movable in a cap clearing way.

Agree with the concept of limiting Bouchard and Puljujarvi's PP time if we can, however. Those two playing second fiddle to Barrie and Hyman on the PP has no material downside to the team and will 100% save us money.

Or how about the concept of Bouchard and JP logging big minutes on the PP and making the playoffs. If you're so scared about money, might as well put Devon Shore as top C and McDavid on the 4th line so Katz can increase his net worth while McDavid misses all his bonuses. It's not your money, and it's not anyone's concern to worry about the cap. You ice the best players with the best chance to win on any given day.

Imagine if this kind of talk happens in the NFL, when Russell Wilson's contract was up, the Seahawks should have sat him out all season and make him suck so he would get a league minimum salary the following year.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Or how about the concept of Bouchard and JP logging big minutes on the PP and making the playoffs. If you're so scared about money, might as well put Devon Shore as top C and McDavid on the 4th line so Katz can increase his net worth while McDavid misses all his bonuses. It's not your money, and it's not anyone's concern to worry about the cap. You ice the best players with the best chance to win on any given day.

Imagine if this kind of talk happens in the NFL, when Russell Wilson's contract was up, the Seahawks should have sat him out all season and make him suck so he would get a league minimum salary the following year.

This post makes zero sense.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

This post makes zero sense.

As if sitting JP and limiting his point totals makes sense.

 

[K1984]

Or how about the concept of Bouchard and JP logging big minutes on the PP and making the playoffs. If you're so scared about money, might as well put Devon Shore as top C and McDavid on the 4th line so Katz can increase his net worth while McDavid misses all his bonuses. It's not your money, and it's not anyone's concern to worry about the cap. You ice the best players with the best chance to win on any given day.

Imagine if this kind of talk happens in the NFL, when Russell Wilson's contract was up, the Seahawks should have sat him out all season and make him suck so he would get a league minimum salary the following year.

Like I said, no material impact.

So your entire post makes zero sense.

 

[Deplorable Lenny]

Or how about the concept of Bouchard and JP logging big minutes on the PP and making the playoffs. If you're so scared about money, might as well put Devon Shore as top C and McDavid on the 4th line so Katz can increase his net worth while McDavid misses all his bonuses. It's not your money, and it's not anyone's concern to worry about the cap. You ice the best players with the best chance to win on any given day.

Imagine if this kind of talk happens in the NFL, when Russell Wilson's contract was up, the Seahawks should have sat him out all season and make him suck so he would get a league minimum salary the following year.

Which bonuses would mcdavid miss being on the 4th line?

 

[Fourier]

Wandering around Bison with a young dog may not be the smartest thing a guy could do. At least it is not mating or calving season. That ain't Matthew Tkachuk he's dealing with. That dude can do some serious damage.

 

[HockeyHistorian]

As if sitting JP and limiting his point totals makes sense.

Sitting him altogether wouldn't make any sense from anyone's perspective, but limiting his point totals on PP makes sense from the team's perspective (as long as it doesn't hurt his morale) as it is a contract year. It's not rocket science. I think that what happens, is that McDrai will play 80% of all PP minutes and the supporting cast is rotated, so I expect Pulju to have at least as much PP time as last season, though I expect that it will rise as the season goes on as long as he continues to deserve it.

P.S. We don't have bison in Finland, so he might've missed the memo that they might be aggressive. Learning about the behavior of bison is not a part of the Finnish curriculum. I'm sure Pulju would have just smiled at the charging bison and it would have stopped.

 

[urho]

As if sitting JP and limiting his point totals makes sense.

That's quite bizarre to be honest. Like if there's a promising young player playing his ass off and being productive and the coach thinks he deserves some PP time to help the team even more, the organization steps in and says it's going to be too expensive for us in the future? In this scenario, wouldn't the player and his agent know what's going on and therefore make the contract negotiations really difficult? Would a player that's been treated like that even want to play for the team any more?

 

[Zenos]

You worry about it IF he puts up 60 points. Is there a guarantee that JP can light it up? You play to win now, not play to win on the dollar and cents matter.

100% this. Whenever I read those post with users suggesting players usage should be limited, no PP time etc. due to upcoming contracts, I honestly wonder what kind of fantasy world these people live in? It's a similar train of thought to those who suggested we ship out expiring UFAs like Barrie and Larsson at the last deadline
You play to win, stats and contracts be damned. Anything else is simply bush-league / Mickey Mouse.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

100% this. Whenever I read those post with users suggesting players usage should be limited, no PP time etc. due to upcoming contracts, I honestly wonder what kind of fantasy world these people live in? It's a similar train of thought to those who suggested we ship out expiring UFAs like Barrie and Larsson at the last deadline
You play to win, stats and contracts be damned. Anything else is simply bush-league / Mickey Mouse.

If Hyman who’s already signed puts up around the same amount of points then what’s the point? We should just replace him because of good intentions?

 

[Whyme]

Sitting him altogether wouldn't make any sense from anyone's perspective, but limiting his point totals on PP makes sense from the team's perspective (as long as it doesn't hurt his morale) as it is a contract year.

This can make sense in many cases, but the player may also want to go elsewhere or push for every dollar or sign just a short extension if he feels he isn't getting what he deserves. Like I've said before I believe getting a chance to prove himself means more than money to Pulju. His ppg/60 has been fine so that shouldn't be a problem.

He does have a terrific place in the 1st line so I don't really mean to complain, but it's now five years since he started in the NHL and he still hasn't got regular PP time. Is he ready to potentially play through his prime years with very low PP usage? I hope they get the extension done soon so we don't have to think about things like this.

 

[Zenos]

If Hyman who’s already signed puts up around the same amount of points then what’s the point? We should just replace him because of good intentions?

I didn't write (or insinuate in any way) that Puljujärvi should automatically replace Hyman.

If Hyman falters though and Jesse gives you the best shot of winning hockey games - you run with him. Contracts / bonuses shouldn't greatly influence the coach's decisions is all I'm saying.

 

[HockeyHistorian]

This can make sense in many cases, but the player may also want to go elsewhere or push for every dollar or sign just a short extension if he feels he isn't getting what he deserves. Like I've said before I believe getting a chance to prove himself means more than money to Pulju. His ppg/60 has been fine so that shouldn't be a problem.

He does have a terrific place in the 1st line so I don't really mean to complain, but it's now five years since he started in the NHL and he still hasn't got regular PP time. Is he ready to potentially play through his prime years with very low PP usage? I hope they get the extension done soon so we don't have to think about things like this.

You know me, I wouldn't mind seeing Jesse play the whole two minutes of the PP every game, it would be a dream come true for me.

That said, I believe they will lean on Hyman to play the first minute or so of the PP, then Jesse for the rest of the PP or until McDrai changes. I think Jesse will have more time on PP this year than last, so I think he'll be happy enough (obviously almost every player would probably like more ice time, especially on PP). However, I think Hyman will have more time at least for the start and there are three major reasons for it: 1. Hyman is paid more 2. Hyman has term 3. Hyman is a more established player. This could potentially change if Jesse is looking much more dangerous in the offensive zone than Hyman and outproducing him.

 

[Broberg Speed]

A little perspective. As of today Puljujarvi is the third best player on the first line playing with McDavid and Hyman. If Puljujarvi was on the second line he would be the third best player on that line playing with RNH and Draisaitl.
Jesse Puljujarvi Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I didn't write (or insinuate in any way) that Puljujärvi should automatically replace Hyman.

If Hyman falters though and Jesse gives you the best shot of winning hockey games - you run with him. Contracts / bonuses shouldn't greatly influence the coach's decisions is all I'm saying.

If Hyman blows it then sure go with JP.