Player Discussion Jesse Puljujarvi Part 11: Solid Return Season Completed, How Does Next Season Go For the Big Finn?

[K1984]

Jfresh is not very smart often for some pretty basic stuff. I think this is just because he tries commenting on all teams, when clearly he doesn't have the time to follow every team close enough to have a valid opinion on them. Every Oilers fan will tell you that a McDavid winger is a problem now, and has been for a long time (when that role isn't being played by Drai of course). Not only does Hyman hopefully fix that problem, it allows Tippett to play RNH with Drai, which hopefully gives us a legit 1/2 punch for the entire season. If 29/97 continue to play 1/3rd of the ES time each, then that means we should have a dominant line on the ice for 66% of the ES time. This isn't a hard concept to understand, lol

The narrative around anything to do with the Oilers is often bizarre and contradictory to other successful teams in the league.

- The Oilers would suck without McDavid and Draisaitl! (as if the best two players out on every team wouldn't tube them)

- These players only score because they are playing with McDavid/Draisaitl, but they actually suck! (as if most teams don't have players that wouldn't be as good without the line driver they play with)

- They need players that can score without McDavid, Draisaitl, but they can't play with them! (just dumb + Hyman can and has scored driving a line with non-star players, so he literally is this)

Could go on and on, but these were top of mind. Frankly it is sport for non-Oiler fans to spin a glass half empty angle on almost everything the team does no matter how common whatever they are whining about is around the NHL.

 

[Drivesaitl]

You had one job Drive, and now the people are disappointed.

I swear I'm not related to Principe. I'm not typing this wearing a tomato outfit. I promise.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Ideally Jesse doesn't get much PP time until after he gets extended. I suspect that he has a big season anyway and will be rightfully commanding a mint from us next summer.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Ideally Jesse doesn't get much PP time until after he gets extended. I suspect that he has a big season anyway and will be rightfully commanding a mint from us next summer.

Yeah, at this point it makes sense to continue with Nuge on PP and I feel like he will have a better season and he's under contract now and with none of that pressure. Team probably stays fairly status quo with that. Would like to see Jesse get stints on PP and maybe we have enough guys now to have a legit 1,2 unit. I hope so as the top unit is seeing too many minutes, and too many PP minutes. Need to lower that down in regular season.

 

[McTonyBrar]

The sooner JFresh goes away, the better it will be for the rest of us. Nothing against you, PulYou. I've got a couple of his tweets bookmarked to laugh at and mock in a few months when he's wildly inaccurate again.

He couldn't give an opinion without consulting his majorly flawed model first. The same goes with dom and the EvolvingWild twins.

I don’t think any of them watch hockey

 

[McNuge]

I don’t think any of them watch hockey

It isn't so much about them not watching hockey the problem is they have a "formula" that they think paints an entire picture of a player. Hockey is way too fluid that you can't have "formulas" applied to a player to determine what the outcome of the game is going to be. I always see people posting about xGF and caring about how much a player is expected to produce rather than actually watching the game and seeing how and when they produce.

Sports like baseball and football are much better suited for advanced stats because you have a singular action that starts the play, whether that be a pitch or a snap. Hockey is completely different, there is no singular action that starts a play for a player.

 

[McTonyBrar]

It isn't so much about them not watching hockey the problem is they have a "formula" that they think paints an entire picture of a player. Hockey is way too fluid that you can't have "formulas" applied to a player to determine what the outcome of the game is going to be. I always see people posting about xGF and caring about how much a player is expected to produce rather than actually watching the game and seeing how and when they produce.

Sports like baseball and football are much better suited for advanced stats because you have a singular action that starts the play, whether that be a pitch or a snap. Hockey is completely different, there is no singular action that starts a play for a player.

Exactly! It’s why I don’t 100% agree with analytics too but the fools on Twitter only believe in that

 

[McNuge]

Exactly! It’s why I don’t 100% agree with analytics too but the fools on Twitter only believe in that

There is a great interview with Mark Schiefle (can't link it atm) on YouTube where he discusses why he dislikes advanced stats in hockey. He makes so many good points. The game is just not suited for advanced stats like other sports.

 

[scud9]

Without Chiasson there is a spot for Puljujarvi in powerplay. In 1st unit you should expect approx 40% increase in points. So for Pulju 25 goals and 30 assists should be realistic if he plays PP.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Without Chiasson there is a spot for Puljujarvi in powerplay. In 1st unit you should expect approx 40% increase in points. So for Pulju 25 goals and 30 assists should be realistic if he plays PP.

If he does this without getting a sniff of the powerplay. Then you'll know he is legit.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

Without Chiasson there is a spot for Puljujarvi in powerplay. In 1st unit you should expect approx 40% increase in points. So for Pulju 25 goals and 30 assists should be realistic if he plays PP.

That spot on the pp is Hymans IMO

 

[Snipes45]

The sooner JFresh goes away, the better it will be for the rest of us. Nothing against you, PulYou. I've got a couple of his tweets bookmarked to laugh at and mock in a few months when he's wildly inaccurate again.

He couldn't give an opinion without consulting his majorly flawed model first. The same goes with dom and the EvolvingWild twins.

This guy went on this CGY Flames podcast that these 2 dweebs make (and cut the Oilers down at any chance they get), and he has his model putting CGY in 2nd place lol.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

The sooner JFresh goes away, the better it will be for the rest of us. Nothing against you, PulYou. I've got a couple of his tweets bookmarked to laugh at and mock in a few months when he's wildly inaccurate again.

He couldn't give an opinion without consulting his majorly flawed model first. The same goes with dom and the EvolvingWild twins.

Honestly their hockey opinions are hot garbage, just like most people. Hockey is an insanely random game and trying to make analysis and allegories is in advance is folly. Thus is also making assessments of players based on numbers and facts alone.

That being said the opposite is equally inane. It is a tool, a tool that NHL franchises use. As much as sometimes their opinions and charts may not represent full reality, it is something that should be considered when looking at players.

History that backs up JFresh, Dom, Evolving Wild, etc:
- Lucic signing
- Petry trade
- Ference signing
- Hall/Larsson trade
- Eberle/Strome trade

As much as you may decry the data, it does have a basis in fact.

I don’t think any of them watch hockey

haw haw haw haw nerds don't watch hockey hurr durr

C'mon man, do better.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

This guy went on this CGY Flames podcast that these 2 dweebs make (and cut the Oilers down at any chance they get), and he has his model putting CGY in 2nd place lol.

I'm not sure when this was, but earlier this summer his model predicted the Oilers to be 2nd in the Pacific.

Unless things changed, which would be odd considering nobody has really changed other than a few RFAs re-upping.

 

[Del Preston]

This guy went on this CGY Flames podcast that these 2 dweebs make (and cut the Oilers down at any chance they get), and he has his model putting CGY in 2nd place lol.

His model spit out some great predictions last season.

- Boston wins the President's Trophy
- Calgary, Columbus, and St. Louis finish 2nd in their divisions
- Carolina gets 4th in the Central
- Florida and NY Islanders miss the playoffs

Horrendous.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Here is a thought:

Yeahhh I criticized him on twitter for that. He clearly doesn't watch the Oilers (or use his own data to come to a conclusion) which should point out at least his biases when considering his data.

The problem with what he said was he ignored the fact that when McDavid was on the ice and driving play the goals were often scored by him and if hockey was watched you'd see how useless his LW was on most nights if it wasn't Leon.

The fact we're balanced out now at the top end giving Leon and McDavid the ability to drive play separately rather than constantly together. If they play 20 minutes each that means we're controlling play for 40/60 minutes alone with the bottom 9 being 50/50. That means winning more games than losing, which, that's what we're here for.

 

[McAsuno]

Meh, I don't mind JFresh.


If anything, the clowns that said Nichushkin > Draisaitl are the truly out to lunch one.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I swear I'm not related to Principe. I'm not typing this wearing a tomato outfit. I promise.

ngl that would be more fun hahahahaha

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Meh, I don't mind JFresh.


If anything, the clowns that said Nichushkin > Draisaitl are the truly out to lunch one.

That's a fan vote. Got you in advance of the others that are gonna shit on you for posting this.

 

[McAsuno]

That's a fan vote. Got you in advance of the others that are gonna shit on you for posting this.

I don't have issues with analytics personally. But the ones who go on twitter blasting the charts in everyone's faces are insufferable.

 

[Bank Shot]

History that backs up JFresh, Dom, Evolving Wild, etc:
- Lucic signing
- Petry trade
- Ference signing
- Hall/Larsson trade
- Eberle/Strome trade

As much as you may decry the data, it does have a basis in fact.

Yeah, but it seems to me that the math based predictions are wrong as often as they are right.

I mean stats guys were bemoaning the loss of Marincin in trade because of denied zone entries or some such. They had him pegged as a top four.

I also saw a lot of math guys say they would take Benning over Nurse.

Like we all do, the numbers guys celebrate their hits and tend to forget a little about their misses.

I find the numbers interesting, but I feel like some fans have way too much faith in them. They are so subject to uncontrolled variables that they seem to be only as good as the person interpreting them.

 

[Oilers In Tree]

I got bored everyone lmao.


Regarding Jfresh, I’m glad I have such power. I dont have to see him or his extremists posting charts in my face without context as a retort to what I say lol. I win.

 

[McSuper]

You don't watch the team? I get it. You don't want Puljujarvi playing for the Edmonton Oilers. Be up front and admit it.

Why do you put words in other fans mouths . He never said anything close to that . A coaches job is to get the most out of each player . It is the GM job to sign them or trade them if they can't do so . I hope Puljujarvi has a great year and yes I want him back .

Also by your logic you want to hold the player back so the Oilers can re-sign them cheaply/cheaper . If the Oilers did that why would they even want to re-sign ? I know I wouldn't .

 

[McSuper]

Puljujarvi still has much to learn about playing in the NHL. He has some unique skills but there are many other things he should be working on other than having Draisaitl saucer pass him the puck on his tape three times per power play while everyone on the defending team is focused on McDavid and Barrie. Let Hyman do that.

Let the player better suit to the job do it . If that is Puljujarvi so be it .

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

Without Chiasson there is a spot for Puljujarvi in powerplay. In 1st unit you should expect approx 40% increase in points. So for Pulju 25 goals and 30 assists should be realistic if he plays PP.

I'm curious to see how those PP minutes get allocated. I could see Pulju, Hyman and Foegele all seeing time as the net front presence, and Kassian and Yamo are also options if they're going offensively.