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Not necessarily... Some think BPA is a Zadina type cause they were popular all season long and Kotkaniemi's late rise don't mean as much.
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Not necessarily... Some think BPA is a Zadina type cause they were popular all season long and Kotkaniemi's late rise don't mean as much.
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Personally i don't believe in Zadina. Saw him a couple of time in the QMJHL and he looked as vanilla as one can be. Not my type of player for sure. My pick remains Hughes. We drafted too high for him sadly. Drafting a smallish dman at number 3 is kind of being bold but he was one of the guy who impressed me the most at the u20. His defense remains a question mark but his offense there was never much doubt about it. The guy fly on the ice. Still like Tkachuk. He'll never be the most skilled guy around but if he can develop into a 30/60 player then the intangibles he brings on the ice will make him a very valuable player.
I was not a fan of JK pick and still not a fan of the pick. In fact i was more not a fan of how hyped the guy was when he was more a project than anything else (like Caufield). There was always lot of risks with taking him at 3rd. But it was a weak draft. I can't blame someone for not taking a small dman with question marks on defense with a 3rd overall pick. What Tkachuk brings is not that useful unless you have high skilled centers to play with him. JK is, like AG was, a bet worth taking and he still got the tools to succeed just need to learn to use them on a more regular basis. He has shown sparks. Now he needs to lit the fire for more than a handful of games.
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Blake Wheeler at #5 OA in 2004 is probably the example you're looking for. That was considered a totally wild, off the board pick at the time. Obviously turned out quite well in hindsight.
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Yes, that,s what BPA is. People are just mixing all the scenarios together. In this board, for some, saying that JK is not your typical 3rd overall pick IS saying that he is a bust and a bad prospect. It makes no sense at all. It's Trump's type of facts. This is not what's all about. Never was. If JK happens to be better than the prospects after him, it makes his pick a GREAT accomplishment for Timmins. Nobody applaud the Hawks for Toews. But everybody would applaud Timmins for JK. I don't know why it's that complicated.
For everybody that has seen Zadina played in the Q, there is no way you'd think he was not a top 3 pick. No way. Again, even the great McCagg thought so....just before he heard that Timmins was finally interested in JK and that SUDDENLY made Zadina a laughable prospect. But in March, prior to the draft, for McCagg, Zadina was going to be a 40 goal scorer in the NHL. Do you know a lot of 40 goal-scorer nowadays? 13 guys in 18-19.
Again, would picking Zadina mean that we would have made the right choice ? We will never know. Zadina also has to proove it and he has to do so in a terrible hockey team. Hey, who knows the type of season Zadina would have had with Suzuki as his C?
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Goalies retain less value in a trade.
As do wingers, but to a lesser extent.
The market defines part of that value. Even before they are drafted, the picks themselves have a value. And from the moment drafted, those players have an asset value. Positional value plays a part. That's why BPA is a misnomer.
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True. But because 2004 was an awful draft year. But yes, he was great. But it is so not the norm that it's tough to answer his question because late risers do not usually become top 3. I know one late riser that became top 4 in 2007....Thomas Hickey. How that turned out?
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And yet, because we are set at C for years to come...SUDDENLY wingers will have more value? As far as retaining less value in a trade...I don't know. Vancouver got Bo Horvat for having traded Cory Schneider. Not too shabby.
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In essence, as I stated BEFORE the draft...and if you want examples, I'd show it to you, JK was THE pick to make. But was not a normal 3rd overall pick. Kudos for Timmins to have picked him. The only great C he was able to get in 17 years.
What I really like about having Suzuki/KK/Danault as our top3 C's for the next little bit is how different they are from one another. I think the coming rosters will have some good flexibility for playstyle.
Wanting two guys is not having an opinion. It's in fact refusing to have an opinion.
I also really liked Zadina going into the year, and had him ahead of JK for most of the year. But after following JK and realizing that he was our best chance at that big center that we've had in more than a decade, I decided to rank him 3rd. He was my guy, warts and all.
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Yes, this is a great situation. The center depth is well balanced. And it looks even better with Evans, Poehling, Hillis, and Oloffson. That has solid balance as well.
If I was critical and picky? I like one of Suzuki or KK to have elite level skating... Suzuki can do it if he hires a skating coach IMO! I think Danault is a great skater/shutdown type. We need one of our centers to be a puck possession guy on our PP so we can enter the frigged zone with possession.. it has to be one of Suzuki and Kotkaniemi.
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Your hate for TT clouded your judgement on KK, its fine. Happens.
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'Cause Timmins doesn't deserve any hate. Not being able to pick one good C in 17 years, what people here are talking about how centermen have more value and all, is certainly not important....lol
My judgment wasn't clouded. I said JK, before the draft, HAD to be our pick. What did you say?
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Did you get the part when I said, BEFORE THE DRAFT, that JK had to be our pick? How's that for an opinion? I said BPA were Hughes or Zadina. But JK Had to be our pick.
I'm not even talking playing 200ft. During the season he wasn't even able to steal or to get the puck to make a play. It had nothing to with his teammates, he was just bad. The KK we're witnessing now is completely different. He came very confident and this is why he's getting more ice time with better teammates.
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Lol now it's Hughes or Zadina, not Zadina or Hughes.
It'd be amazing to watch an NHL draft with Whitesnake as a GM. ''With the 16th overall selection, the Montreal Canadiens are proud to select, from the Wisconsin Badgers, Dylan Holloway. But for the record we note that we also would have liked Dawson Mercer or Lukas Reichel.''
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His performance at the u18’s really put him on the map and we all know how good he is today
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Hughes, who went 7th overall, wasn't widely discussed as a Habs' choice for 3rd overall.
The discussions that we're now seeing regarding Hughes are retroactive clairvoyance.
I don't doubt for a minute that @Whitesnake liked Hughes a lot, and maybe even had him 4th, because he's been an NCAA nuthugger for longer than I've been a member on this board. But even now he can't claim that he was pounding the table for Hughes. But it's ''Hughes or Zadina.'' Give me a break.
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