Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi - (On Loan to Liiga)

[Habs Halifax]

It's not a myth, it just varies between teams.

Here is a test for you... Who's be BPA at 5 in this next draft?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

The most critical point now in his development is how they handle the first set back. The Hab way for young players, as long as I can remember, is to drop them down the line up, cut their ice time or sit them in the press box. Hopefully they let him and Nuke work through them

Could not agree more, well said.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Here is a test for you... Who's be BPA at 5 in this next draft?

My BPA? Or someone else's?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The way he's shooting the puck out there he is starting to look like more Elias Pettersson than Barkov

He doesn't dangle like EP, but he'll be more dominant physically

 

[Big Empty]

When are we going to move him to the half-wall on the PP. It’s such an obvious move.

 

[Mrb1p]

He doesn't dangle like EP, but he'll be more dominant physically

TBH Victor Mete would be more dominant physically than EP

 

[Mrb1p]

When are we going to move him to the half-wall on the PP. It’s such an obvious move.

Been imploring this move since early 2019... its clear it his spot. Hes our 2nd best one time option after Weber, plus hes probably the best passer... the play should go through him, not Domi or Drouin.

 

[Apfel Struble]

When are we going to move him to the half-wall on the PP. It’s such an obvious move.

Really. He's also our best player close to the net, didn't he score like 3 goals there? Still, I would move him to the half wall. And give him one of Tatar or Suzuki

 

[26Mats]

When are we going to move him to the half-wall on the PP. It’s such an obvious move.

Long run that's where he'll be.

But in the short run, he takes a little too long to read the play and gets closed down for a turnover.

Will be great in the future to see:

Right halfwall: KK
Left point/halfwall: Suzuki
Left side of the net/lower halfwall: Caufield
Front of the net: Poehling
Top of the diamond: Petry/Romanov/Norlinder/Mete?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Long run that's where he'll be.

But in the short run, he takes a little too long to read the play and gets closed down for a turnover.

Will be great in the future to see:

Right halfwall: KK
Left point/halfwall: Suzuki
Left side of the net/lower halfwall: Caufield
Front of the net: Poehling
Top of the diamond: Petry/Romanov/Norlinder/Mete?

Lol who cares our PP is f***ing trash anyways.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The most critical point now in his development is how they handle the first set back. The Hab way for young players, as long as I can remember, is to drop them down the line up, cut their ice time or sit them in the press box. Hopefully they let him and Nuke work through them

*Second set back.

I'm not sure that's going to be a major issue though. They've demonstrated a level of play and earned a degree of support that leads me to believe that they'll be given some rope.

 

[Mrb1p]

Long run that's where he'll be.

But in the short run, he takes a little too long to read the play and gets closed down for a turnover.

Will be great in the future to see:

Right halfwall: KK
Left point/halfwall: Suzuki
Left side of the net/lower halfwall: Caufield
Front of the net: Poehling
Top of the diamond: Petry/Romanov/Norlinder/Mete?

Constantly being wrong on your hockey reads, man. Hes not behind anything, especially when you compare him to the rest of his teammates.

 

[Whitesnake]

BPA is a myth... it's only exist in hindsight. At the 3rd spot that year, it was waive of talent. Kotkaniemi was just not a popular pick like Tkachuk, Hughes, or Zadina were all season. Kotkaniemi was a young player on the rise the closer the draft came.

Imagine... If there were no U18's and playoffs to see in their draft year like this draft year? Kotkaniemi would have been a 15-30 range steal! I expect this draft to be wide open from 15-50 range cause the sample size to evaluate in their draft year is limited.

I asked the question before we drafted KK... Has there been much guys who were rising stocks towards the draft that busted? Not many found any examples if any!

Was not a popular pick...hence he wasn't BPA. He was NEVER a bust. But was not BPA. Who are the guys that skyrocketed from 20 to 3 in 1 year and became top picks? Do you think that's the norm? And if he would have been chosen later than 3, he would have been a great top 10 pick. Not sure why people can't differentiate. Saying JK wasn't BPA DOES NOT MEAN HE WAS A BUST. Or that he wasn't a great pick. Mind you, it's also quite understandable to have doubts on Timmins to find a Centerman when the last great centerman we picked as a Habs organization was....Tomas freakin Plekanec in 2001.....NOT a Timmins pick.

If JK would have been chosen at his right BPA spot, he might have been chosen at the Scheifele spot. And it would have been a HELL of a pick. Better than the 1st BPA pick that year Nugent-Hopkins.

You couldn't be more wrong. It's not about analysing later and coming to the conclusion that a guy was finally BPA. It's about what would you do at THE PRESENT TIME and call those players BPA. Exemple? Brendan Gallagher. The guy racked stats. But he was small. Not the easiest pure talent level to look at. And not the fastest. But he most definately was, AT THE TIME, with his stats, the BPA. We took the BPA at the 5th round.

Also, you could say the same when we picked Corey Locke. We most definately took the BPA. But....it didn't pan out.

Again taking the BPA does not mean you'll be right 100%. But it means that you are putting your odds on your side.

 

[Kents polished head]

Long run that's where he'll be.

But in the short run, he takes a little too long to read the play and gets closed down for a turnover.

Will be great in the future to see:

Right halfwall: KK
Left point/halfwall: Suzuki
Left side of the net/lower halfwall: Caufield
Front of the net: Poehling
Top of the diamond: Petry/Romanov/Norlinder/Mete?

We're far, far from seeing Poehling in the NHL full time. Let alone an NHL powerplay.

As for Mete? I can't wait to have a more capable D coming in. Him being on the powerplay basically makes it a 4 on 4 on the ice. He's not scoring and is totally useless if he's not skating with the puck in the neutral zone.

 

[26Mats]

We're far, far from seeing Poehling in the NHL full time. Let alone an NHL powerplay.

As for Mete? I can't wait to have a more capable D coming in. Him being on the powerplay basically makes it a 4 on 4 on the ice. He's not scoring and is totally useless if he's not skating with the puck in the neutral zone.

Yes, hence the headline "in the future."

Mete is young. We'll see what he's like at 25...

 

[26Mats]

Constantly being wrong on your hockey reads, man. Hes not behind anything, especially when you compare him to the rest of his teammates.

yeah he is...

But you don't know anything about hockey, so you wouldn't see it... I'll move on to discussions with people who know something... But yeah, Danault Suuuuckkkksss. Good take.

 

[26Mats]

Lol who cares our PP is f***ing trash anyways.

lol, not in the future. lol...

 

[DAChampion]

Back at the time of the draft, it was widely assumed that the Habs would pick Zadina.

 

[NotProkofievian]

lol, not in the future. lol...

He needs to learn how to run a PP. He's actually never done this, not in Pori or with the national team. We can't just throw him in the bumper spot and think that he'll learn from osmosis from our shit ass other PP players. We need to put him in the position he'll eventually be best at, and let him figure it out. This is the bed we made by not bringing him along slowly.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Was not a popular pick...hence he wasn't BPA. He was NEVER a bust. But was not BPA. Who are the guys that skyrocketed from 20 to 3 in 1 year and became top picks? Do you think that's the norm? And if he would have been chosen later than 3, he would have been a great top 10 pick. Not sure why people can't differentiate. Saying JK wasn't BPA DOES NOT MEAN HE WAS A BUST. Or that he wasn't a great pick. Mind you, it's also quite understandable to have doubts on Timmins to find a Centerman when the last great centerman we picked as a Habs organization was....Tomas freakin Plekanec in 2001.....NOT a Timmins pick.

If JK would have been chosen at his right BPA spot, he might have been chosen at the Scheifele spot. And it would have been a HELL of a pick. Better than the 1st BPA pick that year Nugent-Hopkins.

You couldn't be more wrong. It's not about analysing later and coming to the conclusion that a guy was finally BPA. It's about what would you do at THE PRESENT TIME and call those players BPA. Exemple? Brendan Gallagher. The guy racked stats. But he was small. Not the easiest pure talent level to look at. And not the fastest. But he most definately was, AT THE TIME, with his stats, the BPA. We took the BPA at the 5th round.

Also, you could say the same when we picked Corey Locke. We most definately took the BPA. But....it didn't pan out.

Again taking the BPA does not mean you'll be right 100%. But it means that you are putting your odds on your side.

BPA is flawed. Lots of teams draft for need when there is a waive of talent. So the Habs are going to draft a power forward type with our 16th pick. I'm 90% confident.

 

[Whitesnake]

BPA is flawed. Lots of teams draft for need when there is a waive of talent. So the Habs are going to draft a power forward type with our 16th pick. I'm 90% confident.

If BPA is flawed, I can't imagine what drafting for needs is. We needed a big shutdown D. We got Tinordi. We needed a big power forward à la Lucic, we drafted McCarron. We needed a big rugged winger. We drafted Crisp. I then prefer a flawed BPA than a real flawed Need. Does that mean that we would not have picked JK? Maybe. But would have picked Quinn Hughes a problem? Don't think so either. Zadina? Well....that remains to be seen. But it remains to be seen....in hindsight. Not at the time.

By the way, who is that powerforward type at 16? 'Cause I think you'll have the surprise of your life...if still available, chances are Askarov will be our pick.

 

[26Mats]

Back at the time of the draft, it was widely assumed that the Habs would pick Zadina.

Leading up to the draft, after player interviews, combines, etc... the media who tried to read who Timmins would take thought it was between Kotkaniemi and Tkachuk. And almost everyone on this forum hated the idea of picking Tkachuk because of his NCAA stats.

Even Zadina, after his dinner with MB and Timmins, said he'd love to play in Montreal, but he thinks they want a center.

 

[Mrb1p]

He needs to learn how to run a PP. He's actually never done this, not in Pori or with the national team. We can't just throw him in the bumper spot and think that he'll learn from osmosis from our shit ass other PP players. We need to put him in the position he'll eventually be best at, and let him figure it out. This is the bed we made by not bringing him along slowly.

He ran it from the left side in pori but i dont remember things being very succesful. Seems like ages ago, so i could be wrong.

He did run it from the right side with Kakko on the left side at the u18s, often switching sides and he was a major reason why it was bomb.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If BPA is flawed, I can't imagine what drafting for needs is. We needed a big shutdown D. We got Tinordi. We needed a big power forward à la Lucic, we drafted McCarron. We needed a big rugged winger. We drafted Crisp. I then prefer a flawed BPA than a real flawed Need. Does that mean that we would not have picked JK? Maybe. But would have picked Quinn Hughes a problem? Don't think so either. Zadina? Well....that remains to be seen. But it remains to be seen....in hindsight. Not at the time.

By the way, who is that powerforward type at 16?

Teams do draft for need when there is a waive of talent. And waives of talent are more normal than the obvious pick. Prospects do bust or disappoint like Tinordi.

Power forward type at 16? Not sure. There is probably not a Tkachuk type but a Holloway type fits. I think they will be going after a guy with size that skates well and has some offensive ability with that pick. Not saying we take Holloway for sure. However, if our scouts are high on Lapierre and Bouchard/Ducharme also say good things from what they know/hear... we might take him.

Point is teams do create their draft boards and look at team needs when it comes to their pick. Habs are not the only ones do to this.

Who is the BPA at 16? Is that going to be obvious? I doubt it

 

[NotProkofievian]

Someone sounds like they wanted Zadina.