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Tribute Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Goodbye and Good Luck part II

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Archijerej

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le_sean said:
Hoffman has almost as many games as Tatar in the playoffs. He also was never part of the Datsyuk/Zetterberg Red Wings. How has Tatar helped more? In fact if it weren’t for the ridiculous COVID playoffs of 2019-20, where Montréal had no business being in, Tatar would have exactly one appearance in 3 seasons in Montréal.
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I'm talking about regular season and, more specifically, even strength play during the regular season. This is where I expect Hoffman to be a disappointment. It remains to be seen if his powerplay contribution will compensate for that, but I remain sceptical about his ability to be an overall equal/better contributor to Tatar in the regular season.

If we make the playoffs despite all of this then yes, he should be more useful than Tatar once we're there.
 
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Archijerej said:
I'm talking about regular season and, more specifically, even strength play during the regular season. This is where I expect Hoffman to be a disappointment. It remains to be seen if his powerplay contribution will compensate for that, but I remain sceptical about his ability to be an overall equal/better contributor to Tatar in the regular season.

If we make the playoffs despite all of this then yes, he should be more useful than Tatar once we're there.
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It’s all anecdotal but I found Tatar to only be good on that specific line with Danault and Gallagher. He never seemed capable of the same type of play away from them. He was also pretty bad on the PP.

Anyways, the Habs haven’t had an issue 5 on 5. They have enough players that mostly contribute there. They needed that PP boost. I think having Hoffman and not expecting him to be a 1st liner will yield positive results.
 
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I am a bit insecure about all this unfolding

We put ourself in a situation where we gamble that a 21yo C prospect with size wont develop into more than a Lars Eller. KK is pretty much already a poor man's Lars Eller with decent odds to become a richman version or even better. He has shown good character and an ability to come big in playoffs already.

I know most of the times he will not turn into any kind of star in the league but letting him go at an age so young reflect poorly on how our management deals with young players. We let him got for a likely late 1st and a late 3 rd , thats not any kind of haul for him.

Carolina tanked his value with their offer , well played by them. Disapointed KK accepted to sign something like this , especially with the 20$ trolling bonus ..
 
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Danault was gonna walk no matter what. Bergevin offered him a fair contract, he couldn't force him to stay.
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And honestly. Im not sure if Montreal gave the same contract than LAK. He would accept it. Imo he was leaving in his head. Of course, columbus, buffalo are different destination/scenario. But LA. Im not sure he would prefer to stay in montreal
 
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And honestly. Im not sure if Montreal gave the same contract than LAK. He would accept it. Imo he was leaving in his head. Of course, columbus, buffalo are different destination/scenario. But LA. Im not sure he would prefer to stay in montreal
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He wanted to be more than a 3C and that's what he was going to be (at least according to the plan) in MTL.
 
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Hins77 said:
And honestly. Im not sure if Montreal gave the same contract than LAK. He would accept it. Imo he was leaving in his head. Of course, columbus, buffalo are different destination/scenario. But LA. Im not sure he would prefer to stay in montreal
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I'm more pissed that Danault left for 500k more a year than KK signing an offer sheet to be honest. He'd have a bigger role playing for the Habs and I hope he regrets his decision. What's funny is he won't even be playing in the top 6 for LA and he had better wingers to play with in Montreal.
 
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I'm more pissed that Danault left for 500k more a year than KK signing an offer sheet to be honest. He'd have a bigger role playing for the Habs and I hope he regrets his decision. What's funny is he won't even be playing in the top 6 for LA and he had better wingers to play with in Montreal.
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Imo, we should never be pissed at a player for exercising their free agency rights.

Further, with respect to Danault, the difference may be a lot more than 500k. An offensive role at this time will earn him more money on his next contract.
 
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DAChampion said:
Imo, we should never be pissed at a player for exercising their free agency rights.

Further, with respect to Danault, the difference may be a lot more than 500k. An offensive role at this time will earn him more money on his next contract.
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The choice is sooo hard!
 
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DAChampion said:
Imo, we should never be pissed at a player for exercising their free agency rights.

Further, with respect to Danault, the difference may be a lot more than 500k. An offensive role at this time will earn him more money on his next contract.
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At 34, his next contract will be smaller and year by year. But no one can question why he signed with the Kings vs the Habs.
 
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Hugo Sham said:
I believe bergevin wanted to replace danault with Dvorak---he wasn't expecting dundon to ever do what he did - which is on him.
we're still down a C, regardless of how anyone wants to spin the KK move
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Depends on how you spin it. Suzuki should show some improvement, as well as Evans, and if you have Dvorak replacing PD,that should be an overall slight improvement so that leaves you replacing KK's contribution,which should not be that difficult to do. Poehling will have good wingers and if he still can cut it on the 4th line, there are others that can fill the gap until a move or 2 is made.
 

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Pickles said:
I'm more pissed that Danault left for 500k more a year than KK signing an offer sheet to be honest. He'd have a bigger role playing for the Habs and I hope he regrets his decision. What's funny is he won't even be playing in the top 6 for LA and he had better wingers to play with in Montreal.
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I don't get the impression that most of these guys, KK, Danault, Radulov, Markov, left over money. Money was a problem, sure, but for Danault and Radulov it wasn't a significant difference, KK couldn't expect the offer he got.

Common factors for me are:

The way the habs traditionally treat young players, not much help, lots of barriers, play yourself onto the team. It was fine when they had enough players to create competition and they kept players in the minors, but jerking players around in the NHL doesn't help anybody. The habs have to start valuing, helping, and developing young players. Players have more power and more needs now, they have to adapt.

MB's ego. He seems to be good dealing from a position of strength, but he seems to really piss off the guys he should want to keep.

Lack of vision and planning. MB waits to find out what will happen and builds his team around guys he can't sign. It tanked the team when it was Radulov and Markov, we'll see how his improvisation goes this time.

Edit: nutty media and crazy fans don't help.
 
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DAChampion said:
Imo, we should never be pissed at a player for exercising their free agency rights.

Further, with respect to Danault, the difference may be a lot more than 500k. An offensive role at this time will earn him more money on his next contract.
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Danault is 28. His contract is for 6 years. He'll be 34/35 at the end of his contract. You may want to re-think that idea of more money on his next contract.
 
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Habs Icing said:
Danault is 28. His contract is for 6 years. He'll be 34/35 at the end of his contract. You may want to re-think that idea of more money on his next contract.
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Depending on how he does in the next six years, he might get zero for his next contract, or he might get 4+ million/year.
 

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DAChampion said:
Depending on how he does in the next six years, he might get zero for his next contract, or he might get 4+ million/year.
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Bergeron is 36 and hasn't lost it yet. Danault will probably be done by 34 but there is a chance he will be better, too. Danault didn't score but he was elite defensively against top lines in the playoffs without Tatar and with Gallagher injured.

We may miss Danault. With the lineup we have it's very possible that opposing top lines and power plays just go nuts.
 
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