Post-Game Talk: Jerks Cane the Jets 6-3

[Howard Chuck]

That Aho line really had their way with our first line. They are just so quick and work so hard, every minute they are on the ice. I think overall, we have been lulled into a false sense of security in our recent games. It looked like the team thought they had more time than they actually did with the puck, before they were swarmed by the Canes.

I thought we held up pretty good against them, but we have to be aware that only a 100% 60 minute effort is going to beat a team that plays like that.

I don't know how the Canes usually play, but they played 100%/60 mins last night.

 

[Howard Chuck]

BTW, in a game like that where it is all skill and speed, I would have loved to have seen Heinola on our team.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Not a great night Canes are very good

We got to be able to beat the good teams too.

 

[LowLefty]

Top line not working - again.
All 3 are coasting in our zone and waiting for others to do the work -
We need to be a lot better along the boards on the way out - the turnovers and lost battles will eat us alive, especially with our inexperienced D left hanging.
That needs to change before it sets in - this team needs to work hard to compete against teams like this.

Looking forward to the games against the Blues - hopefully their was a lesson learned.

 

[KB1971]

Canes are fast and efficient. Jets are way too slow with the puck.

 

[Gm0ney]

Jets did a pretty good job of keeping the 'domination' to the outside until the loser refs showed up big in the second.



Again... that was regression. It was low on the season, now it's average on the season. Don't dwell on calendar months.

The whole point of "regression to the mean" is to identify extremes and predict the trend. The mean for PDO (SH%+SV%) is 1.000. So when a team is way over or way under 1.000, we expect them to move up or down towards 1.000.

The Jets PDO has been very high since Nov 1 (1.05-ish). We know that's not going to continue. It's an extreme outlier. Expect it to come down.

The Jets' have a PDO of 1.020 for the season so far - which is still high, but not impossible to sustain over a full season. 9 out of 182 teams have finished the season with a PDO of 1.02 or higher in the 6 full seasons since the last lockout, so that's almost 5%. Still, to finish the season at 1.02+ they're not going to put up 1.05 PDO for long stretches the rest of the way...

 

[Evil Little]

Sometimes you just aren't the better team. Sure wouldn't want to play this Carolina team in a best of 7...

The last time they played together:

The whole point of "regression to the mean" is to identify extremes and predict the trend. The mean for PDO (SH%+SV%) is 1.000. So when a team is way over or way under 1.000, we expect them to move up or down towards 1.000.

The Jets PDO has been very high since Nov 1 (1.05-ish). We know that's not going to continue. It's an extreme outlier. Expect it to come down.

The Jets' have a PDO of 1.020 for the season so far - which is still high, but not impossible to sustain over a full season. 9 out of 182 teams have finished the season with a PDO of 1.02 or higher in the 6 full seasons since the last lockout, so that's almost 5%. Still, to finish the season at 1.02+ they're not going to put up 1.05 PDO for long stretches the rest of the way...

Again, I don't disagree that they're likely to score on a smaller percentage of their 5-on-5 shots, in general, than they have in December. But I think you're overstating the case given that you didn't seem to care about the low shooting percentage in October and the first part of November.

 

[Channelcat]

Canes are fast and efficient. Jets are way too slow with the puck.

We are a fast team unless 3, 5, 2,88 are involved. Only having 2 puck moving D really hurts.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Canes were really good last night. Their forward group really out skated ours.

I don't like the Svechnikov goal just because everyone kind of stopped because they assumed there would be a penalty on the play.

 

[Jet]

Our patchwork d and waiver wire depth is finally starting to catch up to us.

God I love how people say this after one game.

Every team in the nhl has games like this. Every team.

Do they all have patchwork defence too?

Defense is a team attribute. The Canes had a lot more jump in their game and that also happens to every team.

Expecting our defense to be great every game is unreasonable, no matter how much or little pedigree they have.

 

[Guardian17]

Sometimes you just aren't the better team. Sure wouldn't want to play this Carolina team in a best of 7...

If we're playing this Carolina team in a best of 7 it means we're in the Stanley Cup Finals!

In that case, bring it on!

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Connor and Laine were awful along the walls in our end tonight. Laine has generally been ok there this year but Connor has been awful all year, Maurice needs to send a message.

What kind of message? Bump him down a line or two? Will that change him? Maybe the smarts just aren't there. I said during the contractual impasse period that I would be more comfortable giving Laine a long term deal than Connor. This is a guy that may always be a net negative no matter how much he scores. If I was going to trade any forward right now for a top notch D man, Connor would be the guy.

 

[robertocarlos]

Looking forward to the games against the Blues - hopefully their was a lesson learned.

I watched Blues vs Avs. Jets will be destroyed.

 

[Revolver]

I don’t know if the Jets were too slow with their passes (or too stretched or predictable) but it felt like the Canes were picking off everything. How do you coach players to do that?

 

[jefferoni]

 

[SUX2BU]

Now that the ringing in my ears have stopped, the trip on Lowry was poorly missed and should have been called

And if Svechnichov and I were playing on the same ice surface and if he tried that lacrosse crap on my goalie, he would be eating stick.

Consequences be damned after that .....

But onwards to the next game ....

 

[grieves]

What kind of message? Bump him down a line or two? Will that change him? Maybe the smarts just aren't there. I said during the contractual impasse period that I would be more comfortable giving Laine a long term deal than Connor. This is a guy that may always be a net negative no matter how much he scores. If I was going to trade any forward right now for a top notch D man, Connor would be the guy.

Just by listening to Connor I'm going to go ahead and say he actually has quite a high IQ. Maybe he just needs to learn a few things vision-wise. Young players actually having to go through events to learn new things is what experience is ultimately about. Being under a microscope can be extremely annoying but not being under one could have it's downfalls as well.

I think Connor has the tools to elevate himself (not that he does not kick-ass, not saying that at all). He just needs to work at it actively and realize where the problems are.

 

[LowLefty]

What kind of message? Bump him down a line or two? Will that change him? Maybe the smarts just aren't there. I said during the contractual impasse period that I would be more comfortable giving Laine a long term deal than Connor. This is a guy that may always be a net negative no matter how much he scores. If I was going to trade any forward right now for a top notch D man, Connor would be the guy.

The complete line was terrible in our zone - maybe we should trade them all for a D man -
This has nothing to do with "smarts" - these players never learned the D game coming up through the levels - it's obvious.
You don't trade your highly skilled players - you work with them - and that includes all of them.

We are not a sound Defensive team - especially against teams like the Canes - we were shown the door last night and that's something they need to learn from.
I'd love this team to move even more toward a better D game - but as long as were are drafting and developing High skill shooters / goal scorers, be prepared for a few games like last night - at least until these guys round out further. I certainly wouldn't be writing off a highly skilled 23 yr old that also happens to be a consistent scorer and should only get better at both ends over the next year or two.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

God I love how people say this after one game.

Every team in the nhl has games like this. Every team.

Do they all have patchwork defence too?

Defense is a team attribute. The Canes had a lot more jump in their game and that also happens to every team.

Expecting our defense to be great every game is unreasonable, no matter how much or little pedigree they have.

Wouldn't worry about those posters.

They have been waiting patiently for a sub par game so they can pipe up proclaim that their negative prognosis of this team was always correct.

Remember, back in October, many of them were calling this team a complete and utter joke, mismanaged with less than a full season window to compete for a cup. Great fans LOL.

You can always tell the ilk of a poster if they only come out to post after bad losses.

 

[Tommigun]

I thought it was a well-fought even game and I have absolutely no problem with that loss. The Jets lost by an inch, not by three goals where the result flattered the Canes. I’ll go on a limb and say Jets would have won the game had Wheeler’s post gone in.

Roslovic and Laine were very good. I think that may in fact been one of Laine’s bets games even though he had just one point. Hellebuyck was unlucky.

 

[jetsv2]

I was at the game and for a second I was convinced I was going crazy only seeing 4 players on the ice, then they scored and i just facepalmed because I couldn't believe they played almost 30 seconds with 4 guys.

 

[Tommigun]

Wow just read this thread. Had the trip on Lowry been called, or Wheeler’s post gone in it’d been a tie game. Instead the Canes scored directly after both of those events. It was an even game. Holy overreaction there.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

It wasnt even at all. Jets got owned.. Could have been 4 5 1 after the 1st if not for Helle.. The 2nd? Our first shot on goal was Laines goal.. The third? It was 5 2. Score effects came in to play. Jets were awful. Canes owned us just like Colorado did.

 

[Georgetown Al]

Well I guess our Jets just found out they need to do better. No adversity no growth...

Go Go

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

That's not an issue with communication, that's an issue with awareness. Fans watching the game noticed this, but none of our coaches pick up on it and yell at someone to get their ass onto the ice? Holy shit, that's worse than the Riders' Grey Cup faux pas. The difference between 12 and 13 is not immediately obvious. A hockey coach should have sufficient subitizing skill to immediately notice the difference between 4 and 5 players on the ice.