Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman

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Good points all, per usual.

I would only add that Bob, and goaltenders like, say, Chris Osgood or the fourth string guy from Vegas who helped them win it all. There are many examples of clubs that win, and win the Cup, with okay goaltending.

It's certainly true that strong goaltending has always been a Boston Bruins hallmark.

However, look at where they are.

They are likely entering a multi-year retool, not limited to a single season next year.

In that case, there may be little to lose and much to gain by turning to DiPietro, Bussi, or both.

Given that the team will likely be better with a clean slate, a healthy #73 & #27; intriguing deadline additions like Mittelstadt, Khusnutdinov, prospect Fraser Minten, and Jokiharju (who appears to have a calming effect on Zadorov); and enough cap space to bring in significant scoring on the wings, going with two NHL untested prospects in DiPietro & Bussi would be a gamble.

But, again, given where they are, there' not much to lose next season.

It won't happen, but I'd like them to bring up both goaltenders for a game or two as this season winds down.

Doing so might be advantageous, for more than a few reasons. One of them being the introduction of competition and specter of possible replacement in Swayman's mind.

I realize he may become -- may -- a legitimate franchise goaltender worthy of his contract.

But he has yet to prove he can handle 65 or 70 games as a #1 NHL goaltender. His play, along with that of the team in front of him, regressed alarmingly in 2024-2025.

Add to this what I believe is an immature, self absorbed and possibly detrimental presence in the room, and trading Swayman (along with his hefty contract) should absolutely be an option going forward.

If the Bruins do decide on a longer-term rebuild then yeah that changes the dynamic and moving Sway becomes less of a problem. But is that their current plan? It doesn't seem to be but reality is we don't really know and of course such things are subject to change. I just can't see the Jacobs signing off on any sort of stretched out road back to contending unless their hands are well and truly forced. Whether or not that's what they should do is a different argument.

And even if they did then moving Sway still presents with risks and challenges. Finding and acquiring genuine A grade goalies is very difficult. You only have to look at the Leafs to see what it looks like when a team is plagued by sub-standard goaltending for years that they can't seem to fix (although they may finally be closer to doing that this year). Yes teams can sometimes unearth a Hill at just the right time, but for every success story like that there are 10-20 that are busts. Ordinary goalies can win Cups but it does make the whole endeavor that much more difficult. So it's a very risky area to fall into.

Of course sticking with Sway has risks too at this point, I get that. So Don has some thinking to do. Getting the call right on this one, whatever 'right' is, could have serious implications for the future of the franchise in the next few years.
 
If the Bruins do decide on a longer-term rebuild then yeah that changes the dynamic and moving Sway becomes less of a problem. But is that their current plan? It doesn't seem to be but reality is we don't really know and of course such things are subject to change. I just can't see the Jacobs signing off on any sort of stretched out road back to contending unless their hands are well and truly forced. Whether or not that's what they should do is a different argument.

And even if they did then moving Sway still presents with risks and challenges. Finding and acquiring genuine A grade goalies is very difficult. You only have to look at the Leafs to see what it looks like when a team is plagued by sub-standard goaltending for years that they can't seem to fix (although they may finally be closer to doing that this year). Yes teams can sometimes unearth a Hill at just the right time, but for every success story like that there are 10-20 that are busts. Ordinary goalies can win Cups but it does make the whole endeavor that much more difficult. So it's a very risky area to fall into.

Of course sticking with Sway has risks too at this point, I get that. So Don has some thinking to do. Getting the call right on this one, whatever 'right' is, could have serious implications for the future of the franchise in the next few years.
He's already botched it somewhat. Chose the wrong goalie? The one he didn't choose made a bad trade. Spent 20+ mil on Sway, Lindholm and Zadorov. Didn't develop a single rookie this season in a terrible year. The coach he fired is doing phenomenal with his new team. The interim coach he kept had his team (what was left) quit on him. I love what he did at the deadline, clearing out the subpar leadership group, let's just hope he doesn't undo it by bringing Marchand back.
 
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He's not going anywhere.

No GM is willingly looking at that contract and trading for it at the moment. Swayman is one of the worst starting goalies in the league as it stands statistically be it you think it's on him or not.

The only play the Bruins have is to just ride out this stinker of a season, come back fresh in September and hope Swayman doesn't suck ass when he has a full training camp and when the Bruins defense stabilizes with a returning McAvoy and Lindholm

And before someone says buyout;

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I don't know who they are, but I suspect there are at least one or two clubs that would take a chance on Jeremy.

They would factor in previous years of success, including last season's run against Toronto.

if he can be had, there will be takers.

In which case, take my wife.

Please.
 
Gordon, what in the heck can you drum up for a trade with a goalie with THAT contract and those numbers?

If you're the other GM, why in god's name do you risk that?
Managers have been known to take a chance on "distressed assets."

Again, they would look at previous success, which is impressive, and make a bet.

Add to this, the cap will increase significantly prior to next year. In fact, you will likely see the silly season this summer.

Now, will this happen? I don't know. But it is worth exploring.
 
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All I know is they are in a multi year and multi player rebuild with a goaler who is not well liked by management or a good portion of the room. (Sacco, Marchand and now Zadorov have all indicated such). I think with some retention, and perhaps a sweetener, he is tradeable before his no trade.

Since a good or even great goalie can come from anywhere, I am all for moving him before his no trade.
I hope so. Good riddance at this point.

I am not simply talking about what happened in LA. Poor performance regardless of who is in front of him, and most of all, his attitude and behavior during the holdout and thereafter tell me he's not a player I want on my team.

Frankly, I'm looking to deal.

The better to move on and build for the future.

Many assumed the core of this team going forward would be David, Charlie and Jeremy.

I don't think that's the case anymore.
 
He's already botched it somewhat. Chose the wrong goalie? The one he didn't choose made a bad trade. Spent 20+ mil on Sway, Lindholm and Zadorov. Didn't develop a single rookie this season in a terrible year. The coach he fired is doing phenomenal with his new team. The interim coach he kept had his team (what was left) quit on him. I love what he did at the deadline, clearing out the subpar leadership group, let's just hope he doesn't undo it by bringing Marchand back.
For the right money and term, and my understanding is that they let Brad go over 600k, I would welcome a Marchand revenge tour.

At present, the Bruins lack veteran leadership respected by all in the room. They need and will likely seek an injection of same in the offseason. That should not be too difficult a task.
 
I’ve never hated a Boston athlete more since Clay Buchholtz. This guy is a loser.
Yikes.

My take is he was convinced to hold out by his agent.

Sway comes across as a confident kid. Most fans at the Garden haven't turned on him yet...but that could change fast. I hope he has thick skin.

Having Hampus and Mac back won't hurt. Let's see what management does between now and next Fall.

Also, Sway doesn't come across as a horrible young man or one people should hate...Let's save our hate for people who deserve it.
 
He's already botched it somewhat. Chose the wrong goalie? The one he didn't choose made a bad trade. Spent 20+ mil on Sway, Lindholm and Zadorov. Didn't develop a single rookie this season in a terrible year. The coach he fired is doing phenomenal with his new team. The interim coach he kept had his team (what was left) quit on him. I love what he did at the deadline, clearing out the subpar leadership group, let's just hope he doesn't undo it by bringing Marchand back.
Except for Monty doing phenomenally well, i agree. He has also brought in some players I don't care for in any way. If they were smart the ax would fall this year........but..........
 
He's already botched it somewhat. Chose the wrong goalie? The one he didn't choose made a bad trade. Spent 20+ mil on Sway, Lindholm and Zadorov. Didn't develop a single rookie this season in a terrible year. The coach he fired is doing phenomenal with his new team. The interim coach he kept had his team (what was left) quit on him. I love what he did at the deadline, clearing out the subpar leadership group, let's just hope he doesn't undo it by bringing Marchand back.

I'm not quite that critical, but yes clearly mistakes have been made, otherwise the Bruins wouldn't be where they are now. But I guess in the context of the current discussion what's done is done and since Sweeney still seems to be in charge, we look now to how he best goes about fixing things.
 
All I know is they are in a multi year and multi player rebuild with a goaler who is not well liked by management or a good portion of the room. (Sacco, Marchand and now Zadorov have all indicated such). I think with some retention, and perhaps a sweetener, he is tradeable before his no trade.

Since a good, or even great, goalie can come from anywhere, I am all for moving him before his no trade.

Good grief at retaining salary for all those years!

You let him play out of it first.
 
imo he will not. He isn't good enough, and I don't want him. Given the team around him,it will not end well anyway. ...

Yeah I dunno about THAT. We've seen him play at a high level before. It's not a physical or compete thing there. It's mental. When it's mental, there's always a chance.
 
"Zadorov actually stood up for teammates".

Swayman challenged the guy that hit a teammate is "not actually standing up for teammates".

For realz?
Did you watch the game? Obviously not. Our little Russian initiated contact with DK, who did nothing that would validate a response from us.

You're comparing that to Zadorov fighting Benn (after he'd run Carlo hard from behind) or Zadorov fighting the toughest guy in the league after he'd injured McAvoy???

"For realz"??
 
Yeah I dunno about THAT. We've seen him play at a high level before. It's not a physical or compete thing there. It's mental. When it's mental, there's always a chance.
Point taken, and it is a position were the mental part rules. (Dryden has some interesting thoughts about that.) However, I question Swayman's character and don't think he is strong enough to play in front of weak teams. Tim Thomas he aint in any way.
 
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Look, I hope Swayman bounces back and returns to his former level of play and that this season is going to be remembered an aberration. Granted the team in not playing well in front of him, nor Korpisalo for that matter, but Swayman looks lost out there too many nights. There have been flashes, albeit rare, of the goalie he was before but I would be lying if I said that I was not concerned about the mental aspect of his game.

As the contract holdout was going on, I wondered about how Swayman would react if the Bruins fan base and Garden crowd turned on him, as he had been almost universally loved during his time with the B's; had a great story coming from Alaska, great career in Maine etc.

This season is a washout, so hopefully management will bring up Bussi and DiPietro for a few games to get their feet wet and give them a few games of NHL experience to see what they can do, but the first few months of next season are going to be crucial for Swayman and the future of the Bruins net...I just wish I was more confident that he will return to form than I am right now.
 
Yeah I dunno about THAT. We've seen him play at a high level before. It's not a physical or compete thing there. It's mental. When it's mental, there's always a chance.

He has had success as a backup but handling a full load was always the question as that was unproven. Teams watch film and are figuring him out. His media campaign to get paid with 1 series win was very good though
 
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Former Bruins goalie has candid take on Swayman’s fight, Zadorov’s postgame comments

Jeremy Swayman had no regrets on Sunday night when asked about potentially trading punches with Kings goaltender Darcy Kuemper.

Both netminders were willing to drop the gloves and square off near center ice at Crypto.com Arena on Sunday — with Swayman challenging Kuemper after the Los Angeles goalie got into a scrap with Bruins winger Marat Khusnutdinov.



“He touched one of my guys, and I think that was something that I’m not going to accept,” Swayman said postgame of challenging Kuemper, with a potential fight snuffed out by the officials on the ice. “And kudos to him. He stepped up. Just got broken up. … I think it just comes down to sticking up for my teammates.

“I don’t care who it is. It’s a guy in black and gold. You’re not going to touch him without getting contested. And I care about every one of these guys like a brother, and that’s just the way I felt. Felt like it was my turn to step up.”

Despite Swayman’s willingness to step up and defend one of his teammates, those efforts did little to impact the results on the ice — with Swayman giving up seven goals on just 23 Kings shots en route to a 7-2 loss in Los Angeles.

Amid Boston’s six-game losing streak and Swayman’s own struggles this season, Bruins defenseman Nikita Zadorov also raised some eyebrows postgame with his own comments about Swayman’s attempt to fight Kuemper.

“Did you guys appreciate that Jeremy stuck up for Khusnutdinov,” The Athletic’s Fluto Shinzawa asked Zadorov.

“Is that what it is,” Zadorov replied. “Okay. I don’t know. No comment.”



Speaking on the “Morning Bru” Podcast with fellow NESN analyst Billy Jaffe, former Bruins goalie Andrew Raycroft was asked about Swayman’s actions on the ice Sunday and Zadorov’s seemingly blunt comments.



Prefacing that he himself is not a “goalie fight guy”, Raycroft acknowledged that he didn’t think Swayman seeking out a fight was the right call at that moment.

“‘What are we doing,’” Raycroft responded when asked of his reaction to Swayman challenging Kuemper. “We’ve lost seven in a row. No one’s scoring. Like, what are we doing? That’s my thought. Why are you going out there, Jeremy? … Because I know what Kuemper did wasn’t egregious.

“I know it wasn’t over the line. I know a guy ran into him for no reason … [Kuemper and Khusnutdinov] were both getting penalties. The refs had both of them, two [minutes] and two [minutes]. Move on. It’s a 3-2 game.”

While Swayman has not been a stranger to challenging other goalies and expressing a willingness to scrap, Raycroft added that goalie fights are more “ceremonial” than anything these days in the NHL.

“I don’t know for sure,” Raycroft said when asked why Swayman has sought out fights in recent years. “My guess — it can’t be to stand up for your teammates, because I’ve been around hockey a really, really long time at this point now.

“I played the position, and I know for an absolute fact that not one of those forwards that I’ve ever played with looked to me to stand up for my teammates. You can’t convince me that any goalie has ever thought that ever in the history of hockey … This is a whole ceremony thing, and the league just doesn’t want it. And again, I’m actually not against it at this point. I think, again, it’s kind of silly for two guys from 200 feet away to go to center ice and fight.”

As far as Zadorov’s comments, Raycroft noted that the implication of Swayman being the one responsible for standing up for his teammates might have irked the physical Bruins defenseman.

“I took it as, ‘That’s a silly question — because goalies don’t stick up for their teammates. And I have nothing else good to say about that.’ That’s how I took it,” Raycroft said. “I think again, for a guy who does stick up for his teammates, and a guy who actually gets in real fights with people — you can be defensive of people taking that for granted, or taking that lightly. … So that’s the way I took it.

“Very annoyed they lost 7-2. Very annoyed that their goalie is now the story of standing up for teammates when I’m the one who actually does that.”

While Swayman’s struggles and Zadorov’s comments have drawn some headlines in the middle of this sustained slide by Boston, Raycroft also doesn’t believe that there are any festering issues between the Bruins’ netminder and his teammates beyond the frustrations born out of a season that has gone off the rails.

“There’s no big deal today — it’s long gone,” Raycroft said of Zadorov’s comments. “But right after a game. … That’s a kind of night where you’re going to get a random comment, because guys are frustrated [to] no end.”
 
I've seen goalie take on guys that violated the crease, mostly, with their teammates taking over the fight or scuffle. Alternately, I've seen goalies get involved during a brawl(good old days, Hmmm) when one goalies enters the brawl to pull guys off, and then from the other end the goalie enters the fray.
This was neither and self indulgent on Swayman, probably due to he frustration over everything that has transpired. He thinks himself a team leader, but he isn't Goalies have always led by their performance, not by being the team enforcer or sheriff.
One more sign of immaturity from Sway.
We need him to rebound, no one is taking on that contract without money discounted or an equally egregious contract taken back. We made our bed by giving in, we need to see who he decide he is next year with a full and made over team in front of him.

hopefully after a full offseason of self reflection he has a Anal Cranial-ectomy. :sarcasm:
 
Yikes.

My take is he was convinced to hold out by his agent.

Sway comes across as a confident kid. Most fans at the Garden haven't turned on him yet...but that could change fast. I hope he has thick skin.

Having Hampus and Mac back won't hurt. Let's see what management does between now and next Fall.

Also, Sway doesn't come across as a horrible young man or one people should hate...Let's save our hate for people who deserve it.

100% his agent and why it also became a media side show

If Im swayman Im not happy with my agent behind closed doors. The money is nice, but I bet if he could go back, and take 500k less in exchange for no fiasco under a different agent I bet he does it. Reducing stress is invaluable.
 
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For the right money and term, and my understanding is that they let Brad go over 600k, I would welcome a Marchand revenge tour.

At present, the Bruins lack veteran leadership respected by all in the room. They need and will likely seek an injection of same in the offseason. That should not be too difficult a task.
Pass. Time to move on.
 

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