Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -V - all still silent

[Beesfan]

Terrible thought I just had...What if Swayman is the next Andrew Raycroft?

Imagine we're back in time watching Raycroft win the calder then get traded, not knowing we were getting a hall of fame goalie in return. What if we had signed Raycroft to a massive extension instead? What if history is repeating?

I'm going insane sorry.

Swayman has a substantially larger and more consistent body of work than Raycroft at the point of his trade.

But the point remains, there is risk to signing a goalie to an 8 year deal and that should be priced in to the contract. If Swayman is worth $9.5m at his current level, then I think $7.75 - $8.25m is fair on a long term deal to account for risk. To put it another way, there is almost zero chance Swayman gets better than he currently is, but a legitimate chance he has down years.

 

[BamBamCam]

Maybe Swayman can use this year to go back to business school, and learn how to recoup the millions of dollars lost. Because his agent told him to wit for bigger dollars.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

I’m just saying I think Swayman’s ask is higher than that. I’d give him 8-8.25 for 8 years. If he wants 4 or 5 it’s less because it’s only 2 or 3 UFA years. Wouldn’t give him any less than 4 years period. He can sit if he wants that.

Exactly my thoughts. Seems like a fair comprise depending on which way Sway wants to go.

 

[Hookslide]

I’m just saying I think Swayman’s ask is higher than that. I’d give him 8-8.25 for 8 years. If he wants 4 or 5 it’s less because it’s only 2 or 3 UFA years. Wouldn’t give him any less than 4 years period. He can sit if he wants that.

Why are you giving him 8 plus, when he has not shown what this all about, can he carry the load, he has never been a # 1 goalie........

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Why are you giving him 8 plus, when he has not shown what this all about, can he carry the load, he has never been a # 1 goalie........

Faber has never been a #1 defenseman…Byfield has never been a 1C…etc etc. You take risks for talent and you do so when you can lock down their prime years. The only question is the price required to do that. But there’s probably no convincing someone who both hates the cost of a UFA center and is more than open to trading Swayman…

 

[Over the volcano]

Faber has never been a #1 defenseman…Byfield has never been a 1C…etc etc. You take risks for talent and you do so when you can lock down their prime years. The only question is the price required to do that. But there’s probably no convincing someone who both hates the cost of a UFA center and is more than open to trading Swayman…

Faber was the wild's #1 defenseman last year IMO, and Swayman would look great in Boston with Byfield's contract.

 

[Seidenbergy]

What if the Bs feel like goalie Bob is their version of pats oline coach dante scarneccia?

 

[Hookslide]

Faber has never been a #1 defenseman…Byfield has never been a 1C…etc etc. You take risks for talent and you do so when you can lock down their prime years. The only question is the price required to do that. But there’s probably no convincing someone who both hates the cost of a UFA center and is more than open to trading Swayman…

You don't agree that they need a RW and or a goal scorer, because if you don't can you please put a number on how many goals their 8 8-9 mil goaltender can score for them. I am not rooting against the FA center that you are referring to, but will you please tell me how paying that contract is a positive .

 

[mjhfb]

Swayman has a substantially larger and more consistent body of work than Raycroft at the point of his trade.

But the point remains, there is risk to signing a goalie to an 8 year deal and that should be priced in to the contract. If Swayman is worth $9.5m at his current level, then I think $7.75 - $8.25m is fair on a long term deal to account for risk. To put it another way, there is almost zero chance Swayman gets better than he currently is, but a legitimate chance he has down years.

Really?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You don't agree that they need a RW and or a goal scorer, because if you don't can you please put a number on how many goals their 8 8-9 mil goaltender can score for them. I am not rooting against the FA center that you are referring to, but will you please tell me how paying that contract is a positive .

I really have no idea how to answer this.

 

[Ciao]

Leafs fan here.

I was very pleased when the Leafs traded Rasmus Sandin to the Caps, because we would not have to endure the drama of another contract negotiation with his agent Lewis Gross.

My sympathy to Bruins fans for having to endure this either.

I don't know why any other team would be in a better position than the B's to give Swayman what he wants. If there were such a team, there would likely have been an offer sheet in place by now.

I really think this agent doesn't have his head screwed on right.

 

[Hookslide]

I really have no idea how to answer this.

Good

 

[Kegs]

Leafs fan here.

I was very pleased when the Leafs traded Rasmus Sanding to the Caps, because we would not have to endure the drama of another contract negotiation with his agent Lewis Gross.

My sympathy to Bruins fans for having to endure this either.

I don't know why any other team would be in a better position than the B's to give Swayman what he wants. If there were such a team, there would likely have been an offer sheet in place by now.

I really think this agent doesn't have his head screwed on right.

I don’t think any team is willing to give up the assets it would require to sign him to an offer sheet.

 

[Dr Quincy]

If you’re rooting for the team as a whole, I don’t know how you could be hoping for a two year deal. That would be horribly detrimental to the organization.

Because I'm listening to the people and they are making sense. We have to worry about Swayman at age 33 making big money. Much more comfortable with Lindholm at 36 making big money. Everyone knows goalies hit their peak at 24 and Fs at 35. Can't give Sway lots of years w/ big money because he hasn't proven ANYTHING. He might be Mike Moffet for all we know. But we can't give him 1 year because he may get injured or maybe he holds out and misses a few games. If he doesn't play 60 games we still haven't learned anything about him and will be in the same boat next year.

2 years is perfect. Enough to know what he is, but you aren't hampered by lots of years.

GET IT DONE DONNIE & EVAN!

 

[SwayHeyKid]

What if the Bs feel like goalie Bob is their version of pats oline coach dante scarneccia?

Then the Bruins are in serious trouble

 

[Dr Quincy]

The absolute funniest part of this is the fact that a certain beloved Bruin was used just in this manner so management could justify underpaying star players.

No the funniest part of this is the fact that you could be talking about a couple different certain beloved Bruins who were used like this (Bourque, Bergeron to name 2).

 

[UncleRico]

Why are you giving him 8 plus, when he has not shown what this all about, can he carry the load, he has never been a # 1 goalie........

Because you give contracts based on future expectations more than past results

 

[UncleRico]

You don't agree that they need a RW and or a goal scorer, because if you don't can you please put a number on how many goals their 8 8-9 mil goaltender can score for them. I am not rooting against the FA center that you are referring to, but will you please tell me how paying that contract is a positive .

can you please tell us why you are only complaining about swaymans potential contract and not the 3-4 other terrible contracts on the roster that are stopping them from acquiring scoring?

Goal retention is equally as important as goal scoring. That’s why you pay goalies.

 

[Hookslide]

Because you give contracts based on future expectations more than past results

When you give 8- 10 mil contracts you better have more than expectations going for , like maybe a track record called history.

 

[DKH]

Got my Red Line today and best goalie crop in dozen years ~ SIX could go in top 50 or even earlier

No matter what happens to Swayman got to think the Bruins go net minder

it’s a volatile position but 20-50 why not

Swayman 6/50 sounds good enough from my kitchen table from both sides

Bruins D healthy is going to be quite good & Swayman can be spectacular

My preference is certainly him

Let’s cut the shit & get this resolved

 

[Hookslide]

can you please tell us why you are only complaining about swaymans potential contract and not the 3-4 other terrible contracts on the roster that are stopping them from acquiring scoring?

Goal retention is equally as important as goal scoring. That’s why you pay goalies.

Name them, I might agree with you.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

When you give 8- 10 mil contracts you better have more than expectations going for , like maybe a track record called history.

Did you miss the Faber, Jarvis, Seider, Raymond, Beniers contracts this summer? Where is the history there?

Leafs fan here.

I was very pleased when the Leafs traded Rasmus Sanding to the Caps, because we would not have to endure the drama of another contract negotiation with his agent Lewis Gross.

My sympathy to Bruins fans for having to endure this either.

I don't know why any other team would be in a better position than the B's to give Swayman what he wants. If there were such a team, there would likely have been an offer sheet in place by now.

I really think this agent doesn't have his head screwed on right.

I think we will be ok.

 

[UncleRico]

Name them, I might agree with you.

Elias Lindholm
Zadorov
Peeke
Korpisalo

When you give 8- 10 mil contracts you better have more than expectations going for , like maybe a track record called history.

Certainly wasn’t the standard with Tuukka. They game him what would be $9.5mil with swaymans exact “track record”

 

[Hookslide]

Elias Lindholm
Zadorov
Peeke

Lindholm no doubt in my mind, Zadorov, money doesn't bother me as much as maybe the years, Peeke was a need at the time when the deal was made, it is only for two years and he is 26 ........Lindholm is really scary and I do not want to add to my anxiety buy signing Swayman for more.

Elias Lindholm
Zadorov
Peeke
Korpisalo



Certainly wasn’t the standard with Tuukka. They game him what would be $9.5mil with swaymans exact “track record”

Why make the same mistake twice, just maybe if they did not pay Rask that contract they might have some leftover to give Krecji a RW, coincidence that are looking for a RW now.

 

[BruinsFTW]

Lindholm no doubt in my mind, Zadorov, money doesn't bother me as much as maybe the years, Peeke was a need at the time when the deal was made, it is only for two years and he is 26 ........Lindholm is really scary and I do not want to add to my anxiety buy signing Swayman for more.


Why make the same mistake twice, just maybe if they did not pay Rask that contract they might have some leftover to give Krecji a RW, coincidence that are looking for a RW now.

or just another 3rd line depth guy because there were chances to get another scorer and they failed to do so many times.