Wow this topic has posters really upset. No one here knows a thing about negotiations All rumours and speculation. Yet people are attacking Sway and Sweeneys character let alone each others. Never ever witnessed anything like it Crazy
Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -V - all still silent
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DKH
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How does Ryan Whitney know what the actual offer is? Speculation? Twitter?
Unless the agent or Swayman told you how could anything be actual?
Unless the agent or Swayman told you how could anything be actual?
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DKH
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well
Spitting Chicklets said Swayman has been insulted with a low ball offer of 4 X 6 M and infer Sweeney is a cheap SOB
Rich Keefe says Swayman wants 8 X 10 M and infer Gross/Swayman is a greedy prick
This really boils down to who you believe
Keefe was right about Pastrnak contract, and not to take anyone younger than 15 to Deadpool & Wolverine
Gotta lean there
Never witnessed anything like it outside of hf. Because I’m pretty sure it’s par for the course here. DeBrusk vs Cassidy vs front office. Front office vs Pasta contract. Perfection line vs splitting them up. The 2015 draft. It’s all personal here.
You answered your own question. Paying $8-9M+ for a goalie that hasn't really had one single full season as a full time starting #1 goalie is crazy. He was good, yes, but he hasn't had one season of being the main guy.
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It's not when you want to lock him up for 8 years. You can't intentionally limit a guy and try to use that against him in contract negotiations
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Because the Bruins organization limited his time.... He was deserving of playing a full time role but the organization had another plan. He has played in a total of 132 games and has a 2.34GAA and a .919. That's elite and PLENTY of track record to go off of.
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He has sources he trusts.
Kind of like how there were a lot of people saying they had sources they trusted who told them swaymans dead would be done within 24 hours roughly a week ago today.
Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good sources
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Those 14 games for Providence were studded like a stud gone to stud. Sweeney was a fool to make him toil down there.
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Well, did he accept that professional critique?
It appears as if he has a bee up his ass about the process which, again, he initiated.
His response, as communicated through interviews and the stance of his agent, suggests immaturity on the part of the player.
I liked Jeremy from the start and still believe he can be Boston's franchise goaltender of the future as well as a standout in the immediate term.
But his recalcitrance is misplaced, if not alarming.
I expect them to get it done one way or the other.
If not, Sweeney should trade Swayman for best return.
As good as he is and may yet be, one player is not worth disrupting a stable and winning culture.
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ON3M4N
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How many starts do you think Swayman gets as the Bruins undisputed #1 now that Ullmark is gone? What's the threshold for starts where a goalie is a starting #1?
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This can be interpreted in a couple ways, but he does say he doesn't want to ruin the goalie market for future goalies. He's not saying he wants to set the market - it's definitely part of the equation though.
Conventional wisdom and past history has it around 55-60, more in some cases, but barring an injury causing a significant loss of time, I don't see it as much less than that.
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Is it Swayman’s fault that he didn’t have a full time role or the teams fault?
The team chose to Ullmark, a goalie with no future as a bruin, as many games as swayman.
Maybe the organization shouldn’t have put themselves in this position.
I agree 55-60 for a #1, but I’ve also had at least a dozen people here tell me korpisalo is a good contract because he’s going to play at least 30 games.
ON3M4N
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So the difference between Swayman last season in the regular season and being a "#1 starter" was 12 starts. He then posted 12 starts in the post season, where he was an absolute monster.....and fans are questioning if he could handle a #1 workload
So the difference between Swayman last season in the regular season and being a "#1 starter" was 12 starts. He then posted 12 starts in the post season, where he was an absolute monster.....and fans are questioning if he could handle a #1 workload
Yeah I don't think that it's a serious issue. He can do it and would be fine. I DO think that it matters in contract negotiations, however.
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@EverettMike Your thought experiment.
I put Swayman, McAvoy and Pastrnak at 1-1-1. I think without any of those guys, the Bruins become a bubble team (or worse).
Your Zadorov at three times? I disagree with. Not from any statistical standard, but the reason I’m okay with an overspend on Zadorov is that I think his presence will have a larger overall effect to team confidence than the number of minutes he plays. He’s got a lot of warts, but he’s also the bully that Bruins needed. 1-2 in my opinion.
Elias Lindholm may prove me wrong, but as of today? He’d be the 1-3 for me. I know he’s slated to play a more important role, but he’ll have to convince me that he’s a better option than Coyle and Zacha (and hopefully soon Poitras) in that capacity. Contract still feels like a real mistake. I’ll be ecstatic if I’m wrong.
I put Swayman, McAvoy and Pastrnak at 1-1-1. I think without any of those guys, the Bruins become a bubble team (or worse).
Your Zadorov at three times? I disagree with. Not from any statistical standard, but the reason I’m okay with an overspend on Zadorov is that I think his presence will have a larger overall effect to team confidence than the number of minutes he plays. He’s got a lot of warts, but he’s also the bully that Bruins needed. 1-2 in my opinion.
Elias Lindholm may prove me wrong, but as of today? He’d be the 1-3 for me. I know he’s slated to play a more important role, but he’ll have to convince me that he’s a better option than Coyle and Zacha (and hopefully soon Poitras) in that capacity. Contract still feels like a real mistake. I’ll be ecstatic if I’m wrong.
This entire thread (actually all five of ‘em, and counting) is like a series of DKH (nice avatar lol) posts gone completely off the rails: hyperbole, satire, absolute earnestness, irony (usually all at once), social commentary and a merry-go-round all rolled-up into one. More please!
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I don’t know if I’ve made it clear before, but I’m on Swayman’s side in this debate.
Not because I trust any of these numbers being batted about. Because I don’t. I know I don’t know shit about where each side sits. My opinion is forged from a recognized ignorance.
But it’s Sweeney’s job to ice the best team possible and if we go into the season with Korpisalo as the starter, that’s an offseason fail with a capital f***ing F. He rushed to trade Ullmark for a shit return and then fails to get his other starter under contract? Inexcusable. This is your job. Do your f***ing job. Get this done.
Not because I trust any of these numbers being batted about. Because I don’t. I know I don’t know shit about where each side sits. My opinion is forged from a recognized ignorance.
But it’s Sweeney’s job to ice the best team possible and if we go into the season with Korpisalo as the starter, that’s an offseason fail with a capital f***ing F. He rushed to trade Ullmark for a shit return and then fails to get his other starter under contract? Inexcusable. This is your job. Do your f***ing job. Get this done.
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It’s pretty simple.
The club yielded some leverage when they dealt Ullmark.
They still retain some major leverage because Swayman is restricted and his options are severely limited.
Swayman’s leverage is to take this up to, and into the regular season all the way until November 30th.
I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m interested to see which side blinks first. Management could have egg on their face is the club struggles out of the gate and the vultures start circling, especially if it’s due in part to leaky goaltending.
The club yielded some leverage when they dealt Ullmark.
They still retain some major leverage because Swayman is restricted and his options are severely limited.
Swayman’s leverage is to take this up to, and into the regular season all the way until November 30th.
I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m interested to see which side blinks first. Management could have egg on their face is the club struggles out of the gate and the vultures start circling, especially if it’s due in part to leaky goaltending.
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