Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman IV - even more nothing

[SwayHeyKid]

Calgary and San Jose have 2 of the best young goalies on the planet. lol Utah has no money

Utah has no money? they are 9+ mil under with a 24 man roster on Capwages....and hae Weber and his 7.75 mil dead cap. They could have 10+ mil easily...8/80 if they wanted.

I wonder who Calgary fans would rather have, Jeremy Swayman and Dustin Wolf or Daniel Vladar and Dustin Wolf? Tough decision for sure...until you regain consciousness.

Think San Jose would love a Swayman (25) and Askarov (22) for the next decade? I'm sure their fans would frown at that.

The fact that you would honestly think a team would not want Swayman because they have a unproven rookie prospect that's highly rated is true comedy gold. and shows some in this fanbase are truly delusional on Swayman now. I mean didn't Nashville just chose the 30 year old Jusse Saros over the very same Askarov?

 

[NDiesel]

I also want to know why I haven't seen one person call Elias Lindholm or Nikita Zadorov selfish. Why is an overpriced free agent deal not some sort of personal failing worthy of scorn but Jeremy Swayman is a selfish dickhead? Why didn't Lindholm or Zadorov sign for a lot less? Why didn't they take team friendly deals? What teh f*** have they ever done for the Boston Bruins? Jeremy Swayman has done a shit ton, but he's the bad guy and they're swell fellas?

"Well, they were free agents and he's restricted."

If they cared about winning they wouldn't have handicapped the Bs with these high-priced deals, right? Or does that only go one (s)way when we want to shit all over a talented homegrown kid who has never given us a reason to root against him?

It's actually pretty incredible to me considering we generally overrate the hell out of our homegrown guys.

Get a couple shiny new toys and it's time to toss out the old ones

 

[BigGoalBrad]

It’s not selfish it’s just stupid. Swayman is about to earn zero dollars for a season where he’d be odds on favorite to win the Vezina. Just because his agent got huge deals out of other teams doesn’t mean it will work with the Bruins.

We blinked with Pasternak and McAvoy because we didn’t think we could possibly replace either. Swayman is clearly different.

I’d give him the deal he wants we have the cap room. But if it doesn’t happen Bussi and Korpisalo with money for a first line forward instead of Sway and then some picks might be ok. Or Linus on a team friendly seal next summer lol. Those options are a lot better than say replacing Pasternaks 50 goals during training camp.

 

[SPV]

It’s been proven that good teams can win without the best goalie, in fact the last time a Vezina winner was in the Cup finals was 2011.

It would be best if we can sign him for a reasonable price though

 

[Dr Quincy]

It’s not selfish it’s just stupid. Swayman is about to earn zero dollars for a season where he’d be odds on favorite to win the Vezina. Just because his agent got huge deals out of other teams doesn’t mean it will work with the Bruins.

We blinked with Pasternak and McAvoy because we didn’t think we could possibly replace either. Swayman is clearly different.

I’d give him the deal he wants we have the cap room. But if it doesn’t happen Bussi and Korpisalo with money for a first line forward instead of Sway and then some picks might be ok. Or Linus on a team friendly seal next summer lol. Those options are a lot better than say replacing Pasternaks 50 goals during training camp.

If he's the odds on favorite to win the Vezina, then maybe he deserves to be paid like it.

What 1st line forward do you imagine getting?

How much do you think Ullmark would cost next summer as a UFA? The idea of signing Ullmark 7 yrs x 8m instead of Swayman, after trading Ullmark away may be one of the strangest ideas I've seen here.

 

[nORRis8]

This is a total non-response to my point, but I think you know that.

Also, Harry Sinden took Ray f***ing Bourque to arbitration, so yeah, he is evil.

Ya. Sorry. I really need to work on agreeing with everything people say.
Once I do I'm sure life will really be worth living.

 

[EverettMike]

Ya. Sorry. I really need to work on agreeing with everything people say.
Once I do I'm sure life will really be worth living.

Another non-sequitur!!!

 

[LiseL]

It’s been proven that good teams can win without the best goalie, in fact the last time a Vezina winner was in the Cup finals was 2011.

It would be best if we can sign him for a reasonable price though

Didn't Bobrovsky win a Vezina with Columbus?

 

[UncleRico]

I also want to know why I haven't seen one person call Elias Lindholm or Nikita Zadorov selfish. Why is an overpriced free agent deal not some sort of personal failing worthy of scorn but Jeremy Swayman is a selfish dickhead? Why didn't Lindholm or Zadorov sign for a lot less? Why didn't they take team friendly deals? What teh f*** have they ever done for the Boston Bruins? Jeremy Swayman has done a shit ton, but he's the bad guy and they're swell fellas?

"Well, they were free agents and he's restricted."

If they cared about winning they wouldn't have handicapped the Bs with these high-priced deals, right? Or does that only go one (s)way when we want to shit all over a talented homegrown kid who has never given us a reason to root against him?

Blows my mind Free agent 30 year old center getting almost $8m and a career 3rd pairing D for $5m.

But our 25 year old all-star goalie, who was our best player in the playoff by a wide margin doesn’t deserve $8m

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Blows my mind Free agent 30 year old center getting almost $8m and a career 3rd pairing D for $5m.

But our 25 year old all-star goalie, who was our best player in the playoff by a wide margin doesn’t deserve $8m

All the reasons have been explained to you why that is. Its kind of up to you to figure it out now.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Didn't Bobrovsky win a Vezina with Columbus?

Yeah he's saying the Vezina winner hasn't played in a final the year they won the Cup. But that's a pretty arbitrary distinction.

Vas
Price
Fleury
Bob

all won Vezinas and Cups and to say that you don't need to a top flight goalie because the year they won the Cup they didn't win the Vezina is odd. But it's hysterical that in April everyone was picking BOS over FLA because Swayman was a better goalie than Bob....

and now we are saying "Well akshully goaltending isn't that important!!!"

 

[bearcountry17]

It wasn’t that long ago that Korpisalo was a mid 20s best player on a second round exit playoff team and people are stroking out over paying him 3m…

 

[Dr Quincy]

All the reasons have been explained to you why that is. Its kind of up to you to figure it out now.

Not really. The reason given "You have to overpay for UFAs!!" is saying the reality of how the market works. But it in no way makes the argument that a team is smart to do that in general nor in the specific case of Lindholm.

It wasn’t that long ago that Korpisalo was a mid 20s best player on a second round exit playoff team and people are stroking out over paying him 3m…

It was even more recent that he was the worst goalie in the league.

 

[bearcountry17]

Not really. The reason given "You have to overpay for UFAs!!" is saying the reality of how the market works. But it in no way makes the argument that a team is smart to do that in general nor in the specific case of Lindholm.


It was even more recent that he was the worst goalie in the league.

Almost like goaltenders in general are a volatile bunch. Hell, Bobrovsky hadn’t broke a .913 sv% for the panthers until last year as one of the highest paid netminders in the league. A .001% difference than what Korpisalo put up the year before he joined Ottawa.

 

[SPV]

Yeah he's saying the Vezina winner hasn't played in a final the year they won the Cup. But that's a pretty arbitrary distinction.

Vas
Price
Fleury
Bob

all won Vezinas and Cups and to say that you don't need to a top flight goalie because the year they won the Cup they didn't win the Vezina is odd. But it's hysterical that in April everyone was picking BOS over FLA because Swayman was a better goalie than Bob....

and now we are saying "Well akshully goaltending isn't that important!!!"

Not really what I said at all, I said I hope they sign him.

 

[nORRis8]

Another non-sequitur!!!

Ok...here I go.
Your right! 100% correct in fact!
Hmmm:/


Nah. That didn't feel right at all.

 

[EverettMike]

Ok...here I go.
Your right! 100% correct in fact!
Hmmm:/


Nah. That didn't feel right at all.

Don't be such a baby. Just respond to my actual point and explain why you don't agree. I don't need or care if you agree, but these non responses are useless.

 

[Bruinator]

Puckpedia says they have 9.9 M cap space

And they should give that all to Swayman? Besides, I am saying they don't have the money, not the cap space.

 

[EverettMike]

And they should give that all to Swayman? Besides, I am saying they don't have the money, not the cap space.

Why wouldn't they have the money?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

If the bruins miss the playoffs it’s almost guaranteed he will lose his job, with that said I don’t think they will miss the playoffs. There is just too sizable of a gap right now with the bottom half the league

Only needed 91 points to make the playoffs last year in the east.

Though I do believe going from swayman/Ullmark to korpisalo/bussi would drop us from 109 to the mid to high 90s in point total

They dropped 26 points with Ullmark \Swayman. Granted it was from an all time 135 but going with Korpisalo they will drop another 15 and that may find them looking outside the PO this year.

 

[JOKER 192]

Yeah he's saying the Vezina winner hasn't played in a final the year they won the Cup. But that's a pretty arbitrary distinction.

Vas
Price
Fleury
Bob

all won Vezinas and Cups and to say that you don't need to a top flight goalie because the year they won the Cup they didn't win the Vezina is odd. But it's hysterical that in April everyone was picking BOS over FLA because Swayman was a better goalie than Bob....

and now we are saying "Well akshully goaltending isn't that important!!!"

Price never won a cup .

 

[wintersej]

Utah has no money? they are 9+ mil under with a 24 man roster on Capwages....and hae Weber and his 7.75 mil dead cap. They could have 10+ mil easily...8/80 if they wanted.

I wonder who Calgary fans would rather have, Jeremy Swayman and Dustin Wolf or Daniel Vladar and Dustin Wolf? Tough decision for sure...until you regain consciousness.

Think San Jose would love a Swayman (25) and Askarov (22) for the next decade? I'm sure their fans would frown at that.

The fact that you would honestly think a team would not want Swayman because they have a unproven rookie prospect that's highly rated is true comedy gold. and shows some in this fanbase are truly delusional on Swayman now. I mean didn't Nashville just chose the 30 year old Jusse Saros over the very same Askarov?

ok let’s say SJ or CGY make an offersheet offer that the Bruins wouldn’t match. A 7x8m deal would cost them two firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd. You really think those teams would give up two potential high lottery picks? And, if they would, I mean, don’t the Bruins come out winners there?

 

[Bodit9]

Nope thats not what he said either.

Swayman was awarded a one-year, $3.48-million contract in arbitration last year. As a restricted free agent again in 2024, Swayman's in prime position for a bigger deal. He emerged as the Bruins' No. 1 netminder last season, and Boston, which currently has over $8 million in cap space, traded goaltender Linus Ullmark over the summer.

"And the answer I'm going to give you this year is that I've educated myself and that I understand the business side of it all," Swayman added. "It's given me a complete new mindset of understanding the business and how to react to it. I understand the cap is going up, and where it will be in years. I understand my comparables, and how I can't ruin the goalie market for other guys that are going to be in my shoes down the line."

He said he doesn't want to ruin the goalie market. So hes saying he doesn't want to take a hometown discount because he feels it will put pressure on other goalies to also take hometowns discounts when their organization says " well swayman took a hometown discount".

If he understands his comparables, he must realize his AAV is likely in the $6M-$8M range depending on length?

 

[wintersej]

They dropped 26 points with Ullmark \Swayman. Granted it was from an all time 135 but going with Korpisalo they will drop another 15 and that may find them looking outside the PO this year.

Ok but this assumes Swayman sits out the whole year, which would be insane for his agent to push. If Swayman sits out until 12/1 the Bruins will have played 25 games. They ain’t gonna lose 15 points in 25 games, come on.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Ok but this assumes Swayman sits out the whole year, which would be insane for his agent to push. If Swayman sits out until 12/1 the Bruins will have played 25 games. They ain’t gonna lose 15 points in 25 games, come on.

Of course it assumes an entire season, come on.