Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman IV - even more nothing

[PB37]

I also want to know why I haven't seen one person call Elias Lindholm or Nikita Zadorov selfish. Why is an overpriced free agent deal not some sort of personal failing worthy of scorn but Jeremy Swayman is a selfish dickhead? Why didn't Lindholm or Zadorov sign for a lot less? Why didn't they take team friendly deals? What teh f*** have they ever done for the Boston Bruins? Jeremy Swayman has done a shit ton, but he's the bad guy and they're swell fellas?

"Well, they were free agents and he's restricted."

If they cared about winning they wouldn't have handicapped the Bs with these high-priced deals, right? Or does that only go one (s)way when we want to shit all over a talented homegrown kid who has never given us a reason to root against him?

Sorry Mike... don't think it works like that. You're comparing apples to oranges here with restricted vs unrestricted. I don't think Swayman is selfish at all for asking what he feels he's worth but the Bruins also have a right to not feel his resume doesnt quite match his demands just yet.

 

[loosemoose]

I don't think Saros and Hellebuyck are quite comparable since they are starting their new contract in their 30s. Swayman would be 25 if he signs, which is a pretty big difference.

Rask was 25 or 26 when he signed an 8 year deal. Rask signed his 8 year 7 million deal when he had played just one lockout shortened season as the unqualified starter, with a maximum of 45 games played in a regular season. In today's cap world that would be around 9.5 million AAV. Rask had stronger resume at that point, but not by a mile. A long term deal at around 8 to 8.5 million sounds reasonable for both sides.

 

[Hookslide]

A guy trying to maximize his contract is not siding against his teammates. That's utter crap.

I didn't say that, I was replying to the statement that he is concerned with helping is fellow goaltenders, did you take into account that he signs and is overpaid a teammate might lose his job,

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Sorry Mike... don't think it works like that. You're comparing apples to oranges here with restricted vs unrestricted. I don't think Swayman is selfish at all for asking what he feels he's worth but the Bruins also have a right to not feel his resume doesnt quite match his demands just yet.

I understand if you feel that way but also on no planet is Zadorov worth 5 mil per season. People were laughing at the Flames return for him and calling him a replacement level player. Now, he had a very good playoffs. How come his short term audition seems to fit the bill for a big contract but Swaymans career to this point isn’t?

 

[EverettMike]

Sorry Mike... don't think it works like that. You're comparing apples to oranges here with restricted vs unrestricted. I don't think Swayman is selfish at all for asking what he feels he's worth but the Bruins also have a right to not feel his resume doesnt quite match his demands just yet.

Sorry, but you missed my point entirely.

I'm also directing it at the (way too many) people who are attacking Swayman on a moral level, which does not seem to include you.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

"Gibson got that deal five years ago and hasn’t played a playoff game since. 8x8.5 is the way to go. If you can get him to 8 do it"

This is so ironic isn't?

Poster wants to give the guy a max contract but admits that after overpaying for Gibson 5 years ago he hasn't made a difference in his team making the playoffs.

Pure gold.

Good news is the Bruins don't need Sway to make the playoffs. He's a 7m dollar goalie as of today, who knows maybe the bruins feel this is as good as he gets.

 

[EverettMike]

I didn't say that, I was replying to the statement that he is concerned with helping is fellow goaltenders, did you take into account that he signs and is overpaid a teammate might lose his job,

No because that makes no sense. The Bs aren't going to have less players on their roster because of Swayman's contract. And asking him to take less so others can hypothetically get more is bullshit, too.

And I actually do think he has an obligation to other goaltenders in the league. They're part of the same union. I realize not everyone will feel that way (for many reasons, both good and bad), but I do.

 

[Hookslide]

No because that makes no sense. The Bs aren't going to have less players on their roster because of Swayman's contract. And asking him to take less so others can hypothetically get more is bullshit, too.

And I actually do think he has an obligation to other goaltenders in the league. They're part of the same union. I realize not everyone will feel that way (for many reasons, both good and bad), but I do.

I am moving on...........

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

And I actually do think he has an obligation to other goaltenders in the league. They're part of the same union. I realize not everyone will feel that way (for many reasons, both good and bad), but I do.

Sounds to me like you’ve donned the pads a time or two…

 

[EverettMike]

Sounds to me like you’ve donned the pads a time or two…

Ha, no. I played center.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Its the thread that never ends
It goes on and on my friends
We thought there'd be a signing any time about now
But were stuck here still debating how

Its the thread that never ends....

 

[PB37]

I understand if you feel that way but also on no planet is Zadorov worth 5 mil per season. People were laughing at the Flames return for him and calling him a replacement level player. Now, he had a very good playoffs. How come his short term audition seems to fit the bill for a big contract but Swaymans career to this point isn’t?

Again, it's restricted vs unrestricted. Lindholm/Zadorov were both going to go to the team who makes the big splash offer and with the right fit, as most unrestricted players do. If Boston comes in low and the players sign somewhere else, the narrative suddenly becomes " same old Boston, cheapskate Jacobs at it again " or " Sweeney, always the bridesmaid, can't close the big deal " or " why cant we get players like that ". I see it all the time here when there's a player the board likes that's potentially available for trade or free agency.

 

[Gee Wally]

Like everyone else I have no idea where this will end up at what figures.

But after Sweeney’s comments yesterday I wouldnt be surprised at all if some GMs call him to inquire about it .

 

[Midship]

Swayman cares more about the future contracts of other NHL goalies than the success of his current team/teammates. Get this dude outta here.

 

[Blowfish]

Are some folk actually defending Swayman and calling out Sweeney for the hold-out? I'm just glad we have a GM that isn't afraid to challenge and question. I still say this will get done soon. Pressure is all on Swayman.

 

[Gee Wally]

Again, technically this is not a hold out.

What it is , is a roll of the dice by both IMO.
If team starts without him and is in solid playoff contention say by Thanksgiving, pressure is on Swayman to sign so as to not lose a season.
If Bs looking bad and off to bad start especially in goal pressure switches to Sweeney

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Swayman cares more about the future contracts of other NHL goalies than the success of his current team/teammates. Get this dude outta here.

Are some folk actually defending Swayman and calling out Sweeney for the hold-out? I'm just glad we have a GM that isn't afraid to challenge and question. I still say this will get done soon. Pressure is all on Swayman.

How do you guys know what Sweeney is even offering? Amazing it's all on Swayman and his ask, which noone knows either.

Would love to hire you both however as you appear to be true company people and your salary doesn't mean all that much to you, and you would take less than your worth in your minds.

How is the pressure oin Swayman? Did he deal a Vezina winning goalie before his other vezina caliber goalie was signed? The GM looks like an absolute buffoon right now.

He went from Sydney Sweeney and Kate Upton to Roseanne Barr and Rosie O'Donnell.

 

[goldenblack]

A lot of you seem to be under the impression that this is self-serving (solely) by Sway, when the reality is (whether you buy it or not) he may feel he’s doing something bigger picture for his goaltender colleagues - if that’s the case, your qualm is with altruism and not Jeremy

But Jeremy is NOT the goalie to reset the market. He just isn't. That's the issue.

Jeremy resetting the market would be like Gustav Forsling resetting it for D. And he's won something!

 

[GoBs]

The big danger right now is an offer sheet that a team might offer Swayman that can cripple the Bruins' long-term plans.

What team could afford to add a contract like that as teams are starting camps. I would assume a team could clear cap but would be tough at this stage.

 

[goldenblack]

What team could afford to add a contract like that as teams are starting camps. I would assume a team could clear cap but would be tough at this stage.

I made a list a few pages back. The places he'd want to leave Boston for? I mean go ahead kid. Enjoy the rebuild where your S% drops to .905 and you're a buyout soon.

Being a 9M+ goalie is no joke. See the other guys who got overpaid and then had to show up to that contract. Some dudes don't come back from that. It's amazing Bob did (and won a cup).

 

[BamBamCam]

I can't believe most people here are blaming Swayman for this debacle. This is all on Gross given Swayman bad guidance and advice. It's the way Gross operates from Krug to Nylander to even Gaudreau's(RIP) contracts. This is Gross's only negotiation tactic ask for the moon and don't sign until management folds. Bottom line Swayman should look for a new agent or risk sitting out a least a year.

 

[goldenblack]

I can't believe most people here are blaming Swayman for this debacle. This is all on Gross given Swayman bad guidance and advice. It's the way Gross operates from Krug to Nylander to even Gaudreau's(RIP) contracts. This is Gross's only negotiation tactic ask for the moon and don't sign until management folds. Bottom line Swayman should look for a new agent or risk sitting out a least a year.

Who hired Gross?

 

[KrejciMVP]

A lot of you seem to be under the impression that this is self-serving (solely) by Sway, when the reality is (whether you buy it or not) he may feel he’s doing something bigger picture for his goaltender colleagues - if that’s the case, your qualm is with altruism and not Jeremy

Should we be interested in sway and his mission for the greater good of goalies. It's all about results for Boston imo. He had a good round vs Toronto but that means little in a cup quest

 

[Midship]

I can't believe most people here are blaming Swayman for this debacle. This is all on Gross given Swayman bad guidance and advice. It's the way Gross operates from Krug to Nylander to even Gaudreau's(RIP) contracts. This is Gross's only negotiation tactic ask for the moon and don't sign until management folds. Bottom line Swayman should look for a new agent or risk sitting out a least a year.

Swayman/Swayman's camp might as well be used interchangeably in all discussions.

 

[Absurdity]

I wonder how far apart Sweeney and Swayman are. If they are both looking long-term, in my opinion, anything 8-years in the $8M range is a bargain for the Bruins especially when the cap is most likely going up every year.