Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman IV - even more nothing

[RoccoF14]

I'm a fan of Swayman but this one is on him. He hired the obnoxious agent nobody gets along with, and they started with an ask that wasn't based in reality.

I get that in most negotiations you start high, they start low, and you meet somewhere in the middle, but the Bruins have comps to support a short term $6.25m offer, while Swayman's ask of $9.5 has no comps. There's no one he can point to at that price point and say my career is the same as his.

Again, I would expect the Bruins to come up from $6.25 (I was expecting a long-term deal in the $7-8m range) but when the other side starts in la la land, they have to adjust their ask before you can even talk about finding a middle ground (hence the "haven't returned our calls in 3 weeks" line).

Great post. Lewis Gross also represented William Nylander on that awesome contract with Toronto.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'm a fan of Swayman but this one is on him. He hired the obnoxious agent nobody gets along with, and they started with an ask that wasn't based in reality.

I get that in most negotiations you start high, they start low, and you meet somewhere in the middle, but the Bruins have comps to support a short term $6.25m offer, while Swayman's ask of $9.5 has no comps. There's no one he can point to at that price point and say my career is the same as his.

Again, I would expect the Bruins to come up from $6.25 (I was expecting a long-term deal in the $7-8m range) but when the other side starts in la la land, they have to adjust their ask before you can even talk about finding a middle ground (hence the "haven't returned our calls in 3 weeks" line).

My feelings exactly, Bill. I am Swayman fan and look forward to the Sway era in net as I think he will be that good, but this contract stalemate is on him and his camp. The Bruins will pay when they believe they ought to (see McAvoy and Pasta), but Swayman is not in that category. I hope it doesn't end with Swayman holding out, or getting traded, but if la la land is the reality for Sway and Gross, then it may come to that. I guess I'll risk the laugh emoji as well.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

You can't point to a goalie getting that kind of deal at this point in their career. Meaning 6-8 years at $9M+ (factoring for cap inflation). So why should the Bruins be the first to do it?

No but there's a long list of players at every other position being handed big money deals as an RFA, why should goalies be any different?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Yes you can and its been pointed out many times. Rask's 8yr deal in today's NHL would be an 8yr/$9.5 million deal. He and Swayman have very similar numbers at the same age.

Rask had just put up a .940 in 22 playoff games on the way to the Stanley Cup Final. He signed his $7M contract on July 10, 2013. Walk me through how that is a good comp for Swayman.

No but there's a long list of players at every other position being handed big money deals as an RFA, why should goalies be any different?

Because they are? Like I said, why should the Bruins be first?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I'm a fan of Swayman but this one is on him. He hired the obnoxious agent nobody gets along with, and they started with an ask that wasn't based in reality.

I get that in most negotiations you start high, they start low, and you meet somewhere in the middle, but the Bruins have comps to support a short term $6.25m offer, while Swayman's ask of $9.5 has no comps. There's no one he can point to at that price point and say my career is the same as his.

Again, I would expect the Bruins to come up from $6.25 (I was expecting a long-term deal in the $7-8m range) but when the other side starts in la la land, they have to adjust their ask before you can even talk about finding a middle ground (hence the "haven't returned our calls in 3 weeks" line).

Come on. The guy asked for a Rask deal plus inflation. Not only is it a great comp it was with the same team.

4/6.4 two years before UFA status is insulting. A 2mil arbitration number is insulting.

Plus you’re cool with the no call backs in 3 weeks? Sounds like a great tactic.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Yup that will help them win games. Build the team around defense and goaltending then don't sign the goalie.

Sure give him whatever he wants then. Who cares if it's more than the player deserves at this point in his career. Hell with the rest of the roster going forward.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Rask had just put up a .940 in 22 playoff games on the way to the Stanley Cup Final. He signed his $7M contract on July 10, 2013. Walk me through how that is a good comp for Swayman.


Because they are? Like I said, why should the Bruins be first?

Same career starts number. Same Vezina position. Same age.

Rask gets there with a cup contender and Swayman works a great series with a team you called “transition” year. I wonder how Rask would have done with this group his contract year?

You guys are rich. Also what’s wrong with the Bruins being first? They just so happen to be in this position to be first, why not? Do they even have a Max deal on the table? Doesn’t sound like it

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

You must be very proud of your son Mrs Gold

Grow up and stop being a smart ass to everyone that doesn't agree with your one sided takes.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Grow up and stop being a smart ass to everyone that doesn't agree with your one sided takes.

says the guy with his one sided takes Here’s a dollar go buy a sense of humor

 

[ON3M4N]

Rask had just put up a .940 in 22 playoff games on the way to the Stanley Cup Final. He signed his $7M contract on July 10, 2013. Walk me through how that is a good comp for Swayman.


Because they are? Like I said, why should the Bruins be first?

Swayman is coming off a .933 SV% in 12 games and did everything he could to get this team past Florida. Maybe if the offense doesn't get held to 2 or less goals in 5 of their 6 games, they actually get past Florida. Was Swayman supposed to score goals and stop them?

Why does Rask 22 games in that one playoff run matter more than his 3 years of play leading up to that playoff series?

You want to see a crazy stat...

Goals Save Above Expected
Rask (2013 Playoffs) - 22GP / 16.1 GSAE
Sway (2024 Playoffs) - 12GP / 13.3 GSAE

Swayman in nearly half as many games had nearly the same GSAE as Rask did during is 2013 cup run.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Swayman is coming off a .933 SV% in 12 games and did everything he could to get this team past Florida. Maybe if the offense doesn't get held to 2 or less goals in 5 of their 6 games, they actually get past Florida. Was Swayman supposed to score goals and stop them?

Why does Rask 22 games in that one playoff run matter more than his 3 years of play leading up to that playoff series?

Compare the two rosters as well. The management groupies can’t seem to remember one was two years removed from a championship and one two years removed from a 7 seed and first round ouster

 

[Pia8988]

Sure give him whatever he wants then. Who cares if it's more than the player deserves at this point in his career. Hell with the rest of the roster going forward.

Because when you sign a guy for term you have to expect to pay for potential growth.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Swayman is coming off a .933 SV% in 12 games and did everything he could to get this team past Florida. Maybe if the offense doesn't get held to 2 or less goals in 5 of their 6 games, they actually get past Florida. Was Swayman supposed to score goals and stop them?

Why does Rask 22 games in that one playoff run matter more than his 3 years of play leading up to that playoff series?

You want to see a crazy stat...

Goals Save Above Expected
Rask (2013 Playoffs) - 22GP / 16.1 GSAE
Sway (2024 Playoffs) - 12GP / 13.3 GSAE

Swayman in nearly half as many games had nearly the same GSAE as Rask did during is 2013 cup run.

I know the stats. I’m a big fan of Sway and have been on board with an 8x$8M contract all along.

Rask started 34 out of 48 games that season as well. Very clearly the number 1.

Why did Gross leak that they’re looking for the McAvoy contract and not the Rask contract?

 

[DKH]

Swayman gets 8/64 NMC from me

I’d bet on him

Not sure if the 4/25 is legit or not and why Bruins won’t go 8

Swayman can just say F U and play out till FA next 2 years

They are all face to face supposedly by this time tomorrow

At least they aren’t boring

 

[ON3M4N]

I know the stats. I’m a big fan of Sway and have been on board with an 8x$8M contract all along.

Rask started 34 out of 48 games that season as well. Very clearly the number 1.

Why did Gross leak that they’re looking for the McAvoy contract and not the Rask contract?

The bolded is just a odd spin to me. Just because he played 70% of the games in a shortened season doesn't change that it was still unknown if he could handle a true #1 workload. He still only played 34 games that year, which isn't close to a #1 workload.

IDK why Gross said McAvoy and not Rask. Reach out and ask him if you're really interested. If I had to guess it because saying McAvoy deal is easier to reference for readers vs saying the Rask deal and then explaining the math as to how it comes out a 8yr/$9.5 million deal.

 

[ranold26]

NHL training camps open with Swayman's status with the Bruins among the many questions | TSN

Less than 90 days since the Panthers beat the Edmonton Oilers in Game 7 of a thrilling final, training camps open around the league this week with plenty of questions before the puck drops next month on another season.

www.tsn.ca

Marty Biron has a good video on Swayman’s worth.

 

[DKH]

The Saros deal is kinda the comp but even then Swayman doesn’t have the workload per year or resume

I’d bet on Swayman I think he’s going to be a star but there is unknown and a deal starting at 6 and ending at 10 M seems logical

If I was Swayman I would basically say 8 years or 2

But I’d sign for 60 to 80 lol (basically I’d do the Saros deal)

4 years I’m out on if I’m him

 

[Fenian24]

Sure give him whatever he wants then. Who cares if it's more than the player deserves at this point in his career. Hell with the rest of the roster going forward.

IF they give him 9.5 for 8 at the end of the deal it will look great. The cap will continue to rise, the league is talking about more expansion and Utah should be a better market than Arizona. IF the cap tops 110m in 4 years he is less than a 10% cap hit which is reasonable for an all star goalie. 9.5 right now is high, it won't be in a few years.

 

[chizzler]

Swayman is coming off a .933 SV% in 12 games and did everything he could to get this team past Florida. Maybe if the offense doesn't get held to 2 or less goals in 5 of their 6 games, they actually get past Florida. Was Swayman supposed to score goals and stop them?

Why does Rask 22 games in that one playoff run matter more than his 3 years of play leading up to that playoff series?

You want to see a crazy stat...

Goals Save Above Expected
Rask (2013 Playoffs) - 22GP / 16.1 GSAE
Sway (2024 Playoffs) - 12GP / 13.3 GSAE

Swayman in nearly half as many games had nearly the same GSAE as Rask did during is 2013 cup run.

You don’t compare him to Rask as he is retired. You compare him to goalie that are now playing.

 

[OldScool]

Don Sweeney is just plain dumb. Swagman is a top tier, young goalie who is great on and off the ice and wants to play here. Sign the damn kid. Give him his 8X8Mil and call it a day. It's the price of elite goaltending. You are paying for future performance and there is nothing that says Sway will regress...kid has an amazing track record and should only improve. Pick your battles Donnie and this aint one.

 

[ON3M4N]

You don’t compare him to Rask as he is retired. You compare him to goalie that are now playing.

Ok find me a current NHL goalie that posted similar numbers to what Swayman did through his age 25 season

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Ok find me a current NHL goalie that posted similar numbers to what Swayman did through his age 25 season

I mean Sorokin just signed for 8x$8.25. Obviously a few years older. But more accomplished.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

NHL training camps open with Swayman's status with the Bruins among the many questions | TSN

Less than 90 days since the Panthers beat the Edmonton Oilers in Game 7 of a thrilling final, training camps open around the league this week with plenty of questions before the puck drops next month on another season.

www.tsn.ca

Marty Biron has a good video on Swayman’s worth.

A reasonable breakdown by a fellow goaltender.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

says the guy with his one sided takes Here’s a dollar go buy a sense of humor

I read your posts, that funny enough for me.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

IF they give him 9.5 for 8 at the end of the deal it will look great. The cap will continue to rise, the league is talking about more expansion and Utah should be a better market than Arizona. IF the cap tops 110m in 4 years he is less than a 10% cap hit which is reasonable for an all star goalie. 9.5 right now is high, it won't be in a few years.

I need more proof of him playing a number one role before I dole out that kind of money. I just don't trust him yet, not enough experience.