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Ok but that's the market.
Ya I’m not buying it.
I can probably count on my hand the people who like that we have Korpisalo making $3MGuy just went for a 3rd and 5th at the most recent deadline and people are fine paying him very good money for a really long time because he had a good playoffs. Swayman had a very good playoff as well and really good young career so far but people are skeptical about locking him up. Zadorov and Korpisalo at 8mil combined is good use of the cap all of a sudden I wonder why?
You don't have to buy it but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.
All the comps place him closer to what Sweeney offered than what Swayman reportedly wants. I understand adding a "ya but you need me and you kind of did me dirty with arbitration because you rolled the dice and went for a cup in an insane record breaking year and didn't leave any cap for me" tax. So maybe 7m - 7.5m is a good compromise? But if he want's to "set the market" then he call eff all the way off. His resume just isn't there yet.
Ya I’m not buying it.
If swayman takes 4 years $6m that will have him tied for 8th among goalie salaries this season.
Shesterkin, Oettinger will kick him out of the top 10 next year and then guys like demko who come up in two years will push him even further down.
He’s not accepting a contract where the majority of it he’s not being paid as a top 10 goalie.
Its not about whether AVP analytics suggested comparables are " facts". I'm saying whoever from that analytics team ran those numbers failed to use any form of common sense.
If Swayman signs for 4 years $6m AAV he will be tied for 8th highest paid goalie in the league. Oettinger and shesterkin get paid next year. Then Demko the year after.
A goalie coming off a top 5 in the league performance among all goalies last year is not about to sign a 4 year $6m AAV deal where for the majority of the deal he will be outside of the top 10 paid goalies.
Again, what do you think the Bruins would get in a trade for an unproven goalie that thinks he's worth 8-10m a season?Sweeney should’ve had all this figured out before moving Ullmark. If he wasn’t ready to spend 7-10 million on a long term deal with Sway he should’ve traded him and extended Ullmark.
Its not about whether AVP analytics suggested comparables are " facts". I'm saying whoever from that analytics team ran those numbers failed to use any form of common sense.
If Swayman signs for 4 years $6m AAV he will be tied for 8th highest paid goalie in the league. Oettinger and shesterkin get paid next year. Then Demko the year after.
A goalie coming off a top 5 in the league performance among all goalies last year is not about to sign a 4 year $6m AAV deal where for the majority of the deal he will be outside of the top 10 paid goalies.
Saros did. His 20-21 season where he was 25 he put up exponentially better stats than Swayman, finished higher in Vezina voting and took a 4 year deal for 5m.
There's a litany of other similar examples. That's the point, Swayman is the exception not the rule. When GMs start handing out contracts that contradict precedent, it's typically when they get themselves in trouble. Hell, I think NYI are still paying Rick DiPietro. LOL
All the comps you prefer, while the comps he and his team prefer put him closer to the 10 mill mark. Which is why comps are bullshit. It's whatever is favorable to your claim and not what's actually fair. Sway isn't going to sign a deal with a $6mill AAV (and Boston isn't going to give him $10 mill per), so folks like yourself need to accept that reality. The Bruins know he's not going to do that either. It's laughable to expect him to devalue himself to that extent, in fact.You don't have to buy it but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.
All the comps place him closer to what Sweeney offered than what Swayman reportedly wants. I understand adding a "ya but you need me and you kind of did me dirty with arbitration because you rolled the dice and went for a cup in an insane record breaking year and didn't leave any cap for me" tax. So maybe 7m - 7.5m is a good compromise? But if he want's to "set the market" then he can eff all the way off. His resume just isn't there yet.
I have been very open about signing Lindholm before he was signed, not a good signing, and Sway , I would like signed but not at the numbers being thrown aroundIdk there were dozens of free agent defensemen I’d take branstrom at $800k over peeke at $2.75 but that’s a conversation for a different thread.
What I’m saying is swayman is much more valuable than either of those guys and his contract will age much better than lindholms or zadorov. Yet no one is complaining about those deals.
What possible comp would put him close to $10M?!?All the comps you prefer, while the comps he and his team prefer put him closer to the 10 mill mark. Which is why comps are bullshit. It's whatever is favorable to your claim and not what's actually fair. Sway isn't going to sign a deal with a $6mill AAV (and Boston isn't going to give him $10 mill per), so folks like yourself need to accept that reality. The Bruins know he's not going to do that either. It's laughable to expect him to devalue himself to that extent, in fact.
Yeah, Frederic's 1 assist in the last 5 games of the series and 6 total shots in 6 games were certainly impactful.Number 6 says hi, Geekie and Freddy?
Save % is worthless in the playoffs unless they give out trophies for that now.
Infatuation, or I must have him because I want him, and that will be the same guy complaining in 3 months we have no goal scoring we need a RW, we have no cap space to make moves........and is exactly how it will playout.What possible comp would put him close to $10M?!?
Saros did. His 20-21 season where he was 25 he put up exponentially better stats than Swayman, finished higher in Vezina voting and took a 4 year deal for 5m.
There's a litany of other similar examples. That's the point, Swayman is the exception not the rule. When GMs start handing out contracts that contradict precedent, it's typically when they get themselves in trouble. Hell, I think NYI are still paying Rick DiPietro. LOL
Didn't he play in 13 games or the ones he did well in don't count? SAY
Yeah, Frederic's 1 assist in the last 5 games of the series and 6 total shots in 6 games were certainly impactful.
You aren't thinking this thru far enough.
At 4x6, yes, by the end of the deal he will have been leap frogged. And then... guess what...then he will do the leapfrogging. Unless someone signs one year deals there is always going to be this cycle.
Oh, I thought we were discarding first round performances.... I mean that was the criticism against Swayman. Or are skaters not responsible passed the 1st round?Didn't he play in 13 games or the ones he did well in don't count? SA
It doesn't matter how many times this gets repeated... some people just don't comprehend. I dunno.
Yeah and the whole “he’s only ever played 45 games (or whatever) so he hasn’t earned it” is almost a moot point. The Bruins effectively anointed him their #1 goalie (and not without reason) so they should pay him like a #1 goalie on a (hopefully) Cup contending team. Sure, $9+ is too much, but $8m isn’t. He’s your de facto #1 goalie, 45 games notwithstanding, so treat him like it. If they didn’t want to pay him they shouldn’t have anointed him.Blows my mind Free agent 30 year old center getting almost $8m and a career 3rd pairing D for $5m.
But our 25 year old all-star goalie, who was our best player in the playoff by a wide margin doesn’t deserve $8m
Rico, I'm on your side if the # is 6M. The top5 performance is disingenuous. He wasn't a #1. He had a great 1st half of the season and sputtered after AS game. If he hadn't, we may not be arguing about it, as he probably would have played more games.
He's a perceived lock, not a "in the real-world lock", yet.