GeeoffBrown
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I think Mantha was primarily hired as a "pump and dump" to get a 3rd round pick at the deadline or whatever. (Unless Flames go 82-0)
Broberg was available for 1.8M, could have got Holloway too for the combined 3M that Skinner signed for
Skinner is a known commodity, he will do just fine on an offensively minded team. You just have to hope they can fix the defence to cover the extra deficiencies he brings with himYa, I think they were still on a high from coming so close and just didn’t really think it through, honestly. Took existing players for granted and went for a piece they don’t need.
I think Skinner ultimately finds his role in Edmonton though.
Skinner doesnt have any playoff experience...so he could be even worst than that
Mantha has looked quite good (saw him live in van last week) and while not quite at the level scoring wise as Skinner but Mantha has a lot of attributes that the oilers team is missing right now. He's winning pick battles, engaged physically and is quicker than I thought.Speaking as an unbiased third party: Anthony Mantha
There were plenty of D available, instead of spending $7m on two older wingers the Oilers could have added one of Lindell, Roy or Pesce for a slight overpay, and there were probably 10-15 more UFA's available for around $3.5m, or how about instead of low-balling your own 8th OV pick Broberg to the point where he accepted an offer sheet they could have had one of those wingers and him. Hell, even Jake Bean would look good in that top 6.Who was available at that price? I feel like they were just spending their remaining $ on the best they could get, not realizing it would lead to actually losing a defenseman as well.
Don’t think you can judge this one until we see both guys with the new teams awhile.
Why are people acting as if Mantha is the type of player who dominates physically and also scores points? Don't we have ample evidence that that is not who he is?
I hope that Mantha works out for the Flames, but he was definitely a major bust in his two months in Vegas. Might have been a wake-up call for his career though.
Skinner, who knows how he will ultimately fit in? Sometimes players mesh, sometimes they don't. Too early to tell.
Ask again in three months.
Over the course of his career Skinner, based on an 82 game season, averages 54 pts per year. Mantha averages 49 pts. I wouldn't exactly call Skinner twice the player.Mantha has been major bust everywhere outside of 2 (43 and 67 games) seasons 7 years ago.
Skinner is twice the player Mantha is and despite the couple of bad seasons in his career, mostly his seasons have been good.
Over the course of his career Skinner, based on an 82 game season, averages 54 pts per year. Mantha averages 49 pts. I wouldn't exactly call Skinner twice the player.
Does he? Doesn't he mostly float around doing nothing, and then get injured? Even compared to Skinner, who is far from a multi-dimensional player, I've never felt Mantha stands out.When comparing him to Skinner, he does all those things. It’s just exaggerated due to his bad Skinner is in all those areas
Skinner does have twice as many games play, and more than twice as many points. He has also beat Mantha's career high scoring season 7 times. Skinner was, once upon a time, a real difference maker on the ice. Mantha hasn't ever actually done anything to even almost live up to the massive hype he had coming into the league.Over the course of his career Skinner, based on an 82 game season, averages 54 pts per year. Mantha averages 49 pts. I wouldn't exactly call Skinner twice the player.
He has actually never reached that average in a season. His career high is 48 points, and he has cracked the 40 point plateau thrice.Sure but how many times has Mantha played an 82 game season? Or even a 70 game season?
Small sample size but he hasn’t floated around at all watching him. He’s been quite the force on ice.Does he? Doesn't he mostly float around doing nothing, and then get injured? Even compared to Skinner, who is far from a multi-dimensional player, I've never felt Mantha stands out.
Skinner does have twice as many games play, and more than twice as many points. He has also beat Mantha's career high scoring season 7 times. Skinner was, once upon a time, a real difference maker on the ice. Mantha hasn't ever actually done anything to even almost live up to the massive hype he had coming into the league.
Over the course of their careers, I'd definitely say Skinner has been twice the player Mantha is. In 2024, I don't think either will be massive difference maker.
Again, maybe Mantha is seeing this opportunity as his last hurrah and he'll battle hard for a longer contract.Small sample size but he hasn’t floated around at all watching him. He’s been quite the force on ice.
Not signing Skinner would have allowed them to keep Ceci or Broberg, not signing Skinner or Arvidsson would have allowed them to keep both. So it's not just about who they signed, it's about who they traded away after teh signings to clear the cap space the new signings took up.Who was available at that price? I feel like they were just spending their remaining $ on the best they could get, not realizing it would lead to actually losing a defenseman as well.
Don’t think you can judge this one until we see both guys with the new teams awhile.
Mantha hits, Skinner doesnt. Mantha is tougher and can fight, Skinner doesnt. Mantha is big and Skinner isnt. How is Skinner any better? Scoring some perimeter goals in regular season doesnt make him better, he is very one dimensional.
It's the hubris of NHL coaches and GMs that all believe "I can fix him!"Why are people acting as if Mantha is the type of player who dominates physically and also scores points? Don't we have ample evidence that that is not who he is?
Mantha can score goalsBe big. Be tough. Always be hitting. I understand. But why not sign Matt Martin?