Confirmed with Link: Jeff Skinner -- Bought Out 6/29/24

[Baccus]

The nature of this contract meant that both team and player were going "all-in" on each other. So whether there was a NMC or not, the Sabres are committing to Skinner as a long-term scoring winger and piece to a Cup contending roster. Why would they want to trade him? The only reason is because he falls off a cliff, gets injured, etc. In that case he's negative value and trading him is a @#$% sandwich anyway, so why should Buffalo or fans care so much about the NMC? Bottom line is that Buffalo won't want to trade him, and if they do it's a crap scenario no matter how you slice it (keeping him or trading him).

The deal is fair for what's going on around the league with the cap, and the NMC is of little concern.

I would have been surprised if Skinner didn't get a NMC considering the situation Buffalo was in.

However suggesting that things can't change between a player and the team at some point for reasons other than injury, bad play (falling off a cliff) is incredibly short sighted considering the trade that just happened last offseason.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

You're right.

The point I was trying to make is - i would be OK with the dollars if the contract wasn't so long or didn't include the NMC.

But since the contract was always going to include those things then 9m was always going to be too much.

One other point - there's a difference between full NMC which he got & NTC which he had before. That might have a big impact in the last year's of the deal..

Pretty sure Skinner had a full NMC.

I remember Carolina fans talking about it.

That’s why we got him so cheap from Carolina. He was only willing to go to Toronto or buffalo.

Edit - checked CapFriendly. It shows a full N!C in the last 2 years of his Carolina deal.
Jeff Skinner - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Blitz]

I would have been surprised if Skinner didn't get a NMC considering the situation Buffalo was in.

However suggesting that things can't change between a player and the team at some point for reasons other than injury, bad play (falling off a cliff) is incredibly short sighted considering the trade that just happened last offseason.

Why wouldnt a player demand a NMC? If I'm committing myself for the next 8yrs to work for your organization, and move to your city, with my family (I know Skinner isn't married...), I certainly want some assurance you're not going to flip me to some other city/team on the other side of the continent w/ who knows how many years of service remaining w/o any input from me.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I would have been surprised if Skinner didn't get a NMC considering the situation Buffalo was in.

However suggesting that things can't change between a player and the team at some point for reasons other than injury, bad play (falling off a cliff) is incredibly short sighted considering the trade that just happened last offseason.

I guess if I ever see Skinner moping around and getting over-frustrated, lamenting to the press and having off-ice problems, I'll start to worry that the different circumstances between these two contracts, players, and GMs involved might not matter.

 

[Aladyyn]

I guess if I ever see Skinner moping around and getting over-frustrated, lamenting to the press and having off-ice problems, I'll start to worry that the different circumstances between these two contracts, players, and GMs involved might not matter.

Don't talk to Hurricanes fans then!

 

[SackTastic]

The nature of this contract meant that both team and player were going "all-in" on each other. So whether there was a NMC or not, the Sabres are committing to Skinner as a long-term scoring winger and piece to a Cup contending roster. Why would they want to trade him? The only reason is because he falls off a cliff, gets injured, etc. In that case he's negative value and trading him is a @#$% sandwich anyway, so why should Buffalo or fans care so much about the NMC? Bottom line is that Buffalo won't want to trade him, and if they do it's a crap scenario no matter how you slice it (keeping him or trading him).

The deal is fair for what's going on around the league with the cap, and the NMC is of little concern.

This really nails it.

NMCs haven't been nearly that important since they changed the rules on buried contracts, and are clearly not ironclad. It simply gives the player additional leverage to chose where he goes should the time come that they have to part ways.

 

[Sabre the Win]

My question is, how much does Reinhart get now or is goals weighted more than total points?

60 point wingers making 9 mill means we could be paying all kids 10.

 

[Baccus]

Why wouldnt a player demand a NMC? If I'm committing myself for the next 8yrs to work for your organization, and move to your city, with my family (I know Skinner isn't married...), I certainly want some assurance you're not going to flip me to some other city/team on the other side of the continent w/ who knows how many years of service remaining w/o any input from me.

exactly. For the player it's all a plus. For the team it has no benefit (other than a way to convince a player to sign).

I guess if I ever see Skinner moping around and getting over-frustrated, lamenting to the press and having off-ice problems, I'll start to worry that the different circumstances between these two contracts, players, and GMs involved might not matter.

Why am I not surprised you framed it this way? Because no other player and NHL team have signed a long term deal and then the team decided to move on after a year or two....

 

[SackTastic]

The team seems to be pleased with the deal. I saw a few Sabres players comment on the Instagram post showing happiness.

Still not a fan of the deal, and the NMC is stupid as hell. Was that really going to be the difference between signing and not signing a 72 million dollar contract? Skinner is the chicken winner of this negotiation.

Anyways, I get we had to retain him, and I am glad he'll be here for the foreseeable future. Who knows? I may be dead before this deal ends so maybe it ain't that bad after all.

Almost no contract of this size is getting done without a NMC, at least in the current state of affairs. Top tier players clearly want that control, and they're getting it.

I do fully expect the league to try and start to limit NMC/NTCs in some way in the next CBA though. They don't like having to give them out, and will want to rein them in somehow.

 

[sabres4ever]

What are the odds he plays here all 8 years?

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Don't talk to Hurricanes fans then!

Don't worry I don't talk to them, only hurl insults when they start their crap.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

exactly. For the player it's all a plus. For the team it has no benefit (other than a way to convince a player to sign).



Why am I not surprised you framed it this way? Because no other player and NHL team have signed a long term deal and then the team decided to move on after a year or two....

You compared Skinner's scenario to O'Reilly, and the two situations are much different. Yes, players/teams can want to drop each other...you never know. I don't see indicators of that, not to the point that a NMC should matter as much as some posters here worry about. Let's both agree to drop it.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

You know ... this thread is actually tame compared to what I was expecting.

Maybe my expectations were off kilter.

Btw, happy it’s done in whatever form but now I’m impatiently waiting for the next move.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

27 goal avg per season
49 point avg per season
0.65 ppg avg

9 mill AAV for 8 years.....

When do GM's understand not to pay big bucks from just 1 single great season....
blame the current markets, agents, who ever but...don't the GM's have the final say so????

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Goals are more valuable than assists. How is this debatable? There's significantly more assists in a season than goals.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Chainshot]

My question is, how much does Reinhart get now or is goals weighted more than total points?

60 point wingers making 9 mill means we could be paying all kids 10.

Play him at center and get 65 points? Good times!

 

[joshjull]

 

[Jame]

Play him at center and get 65 points? Good times!

If we want Reinhart on a long term deal a year early, the per year average starts with an 8

Thanks Botts

 

[BowieSabresFan]

27 goal avg per season
49 point avg per season
0.65 ppg avg

9 mill AAV for 8 years.....

When do GM's understand not to pay big bucks from just 1 single great season....
blame the current markets, agents, who ever but...don't the GM's have the final say so????

Oh look, a Leafs fan. You should go post that on the main thread. Oh wait, you did! Stay there please.

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

I wouldn’t touch the main boards with a ten foot pole right now. A lot of people dumping on the contract because it’s Buffalo.

The thing I don’t get, I hear a lot of complaints about how Buffalo is messing up the market, but is this deal not comparable to the standard that Mark Stone set? I know Stone has 10 more points this year, but generally speaking, skinner and stone have similar career statistics

 

[Paxon]

I wouldn’t touch the main boards with a ten foot pole right now. A lot of people dumping on the contract because it’s Buffalo.

The thing I don’t get, I hear a lot of complaints about how Buffalo is messing up the market, but is this deal not comparable to the standard that Mark Stone set? I know Stone has 10 more points this year, but generally speaking, skinner and stone have similar career statistics

We are on Oilers level now. Anything remotely questionable gets dumped on until proven otherwise. Can't say the Sabres didn't earn it, really.

 

[Aladyyn]

We are on Oilers level now. Anything remotely questionable gets dumped on until proven otherwise. Can't say the Sabres didn't earn it, really.

You should see all the Oilers fans laughing at us there...

 

[Beerz]

I liked how Botterill dropped Tage Thompson name in with the likes of Eichel,Skinner, and Dahlin as reasons to be excited.... this guy is going to die on that hill.

 

[Bferra13]

Goals are more valuable than assists. How is this debatable? There's significantly more assists in a season than goals.

If this was true then why is Crosby the "head and shoulders" best player in the league (or was at least) over Ovechkin? I agree with you btw though.