Sportsnet: Jeff Marek: Holland looking to move 1st or top prospects for LD

[glenbuis]

It would be hard to give him up as a Canucks fan… but since it’s for the oilers I would… OEL for a first is something i would do…

you'll have to take koskinen turris and another player to . there's a thing called the cap

 

[McJedi]

Offer your 2022 1st for Chairot with some retention by the Habs. and call it a day. No need to add a prospect of any caliber to that.

 

[Draiskull]

Edmonton fans aren't going to like what he trades your 1st for...

well we liked that he gave up a 5th\6th rd pick for Green and a 3rd\4th for Kulikov previous deadlines. It would be disappointing to say the least if he gives up the 1st for Chiarot alone.

My guess:

Chiarot (some retention to make cap work) +Allen
for
1st + Koskinen

would give Oilers a player signed past this season.

 

[Captain97]

well we liked that he gave up a 5th\6th rd pick for Green and a 3rd\4th for Kulikov previous deadlines. It would be disappointing to say the least if he gives up the 1st for Chiarot alone.

My guess:

Chiarot (some retention to make cap work) +Allen
for
1st + Koskinen

would give Oilers a player signed past this season.

The Allen for Koskinen swap isn't happening,

The deal that makes the most sense is

Oilers 2022 1st + Turris

For

Chiarot

Maybe the Habs add a late pick.

 

[Draiskull]

The Allen for Koskinen swap isn't happening,

The deal that makes the most sense is

Oilers 2022 1st + Turris

For

Chiarot

Maybe the Habs add a late pick.

And Oilers trading the 1st for a rental like Chiarot isnt happening either so we will see what actually happens.

Dont blame Habs fans for expecting a 1st for Chiarot but dont expect Edm fans to be good with giving up the 1st for him either.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I proposed this in the first couple pages, one ouler fan liked the deal no one else has really replied other than simply saying no way Chiarot gets a 1st.

Even if in a vacuum he isn't worth a first he likely gets 1 because we don't live in a vacuum. GM's watched him play over 25 minutes a game on the way to a cup final and be a nasty SOB playing incredibly hard minutes.

He's not returning a 1st. There's no real precedent for a player of that ilk who's a free agent returning a 1st round pick. Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman were comparable as players, but they were cheap and had an extra year on their deal.

 

[DJJones]

And Oilers trading the 1st for a rental like Chiarot isnt happening either so we will see what actually happens.

Dont blame Habs fans for expecting a 1st for Chiarot but dont expect Edm fans to be good with giving up the 1st for him either.

I'd bet a lot of money Oilers spend their first on a rental this year.

 

[SirloinUB]

Nick Leddy seems like a great fit. Tomas Greiss could be available as well if the oilers are interested in that.

 

[glenbuis]

well we liked that he gave up a 5th\6th rd pick for Green and a 3rd\4th for Kulikov previous deadlines. It would be disappointing to say the least if he gives up the 1st for Chiarot alone.

My guess:

Chiarot (some retention to make cap work) +Allen
for
1st + Koskinen

would give Oilers a player signed past this season.

i think we could do much better trading those players separately

 

[IIxGURUxII]

Why on earth would the Oilers over pay a 1st for Ben... Why not spend our 1st + for Sergachev.. Tampa cannot afford to resign him .. Oilers could also get them to ltir Klefbom as well to have the cap to resign him

 

[Captain97]

He's not returning a 1st. There's no real precedent for a player of that ilk who's a free agent returning a 1st round pick. Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman were comparable as players, but they were cheap and had an extra year on their deal.

David Savard? Who chiarot is better than.

 

[Captain97]

And Oilers trading the 1st for a rental like Chiarot isnt happening either so we will see what actually happens.

Dont blame Habs fans for expecting a 1st for Chiarot but dont expect Edm fans to be good with giving up the 1st for him either.

You know except the point of this thread is the Oilers are looking to make a trade for a dman with their 1st in play and Chiarot was mentioned by the same insider.

 

[LTIR]

I'd bet a lot of money Oilers spend their first on a rental this year.

Maybe.. hopefully it is a Lindholm and not a Chiarot.

Doubt Chiarot plays ahead of Nurse or Keith on a healthy lineup.

 

[McSuper]

Man this is garbage. How come your Broberg proposals keep getting worse and worse?

Rangers could theoretically make Lindgren available, but for obv reasons, would require overpay, not fair value .

His/her words . Bern wants overpayment for anything NYR related and will not offer up fair value . As Bern said in another thread . Wants to make a profit . Problem is the failure to realize Edmonton isn't moving Holloway or Broberg with out an big overpayment / profit

 

[DJJones]

Maybe.. hopefully it is a Lindholm and not a Chiarot.

Doubt Chiarot plays ahead of Nurse or Keith on a healthy lineup.

Need more than a first for a Lindholm.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Need more than a first for a Lindholm.

That's fair. Montreal seems to want more than a 1st for Chairot. I'd rather give up the 1st+ for Lindholm obviously. What else would need to be added?

A healthy D Core of:
Nurse- Bouchard/Barrie
Lindholm - Bouchard/Barrie
Keith - Ceci

would be exciting.

 

[McSuper]

Chychrun is too expensive given what overpayment AZ understandably wants.\

Rangers could theoretically make Lindgren available, but for obv reasons, would require overpay, not fair value. Howev, depending on currency exchanged, could be lot less overpay.

It may be possible that some complementary swapping could resolve each other's headaches/needs.

Have not had time to think this out fully, but...
first impression:
a core of
Broberg + Holloway + Lavoie + EDM 1st 2022 and 2026
for
Lindgren + Kravtsov + Jones + Rangers + Blues 2022 2nds

value analysis:
Broberg 8OA + 9OA Krav are a wash Krav is delayed until KHL season ends but has potential to be pivot, not just W
Lindgren available immediately = better than mid 1st --- Holloway available later = mid first
Jones is immediately available and right now has higher ceiling than Lavoie
Oil get 2 2nds this yr for 1 1st this yr and another down the road to offset what they get now from NY which ends Krav distraction and replaces Lindy 3m per w/Broberg elc

so translation:
Oil get immediate D help + an extra high D prospect plays either side
add Krav potential which on paper upgrades Holloway

Rangers project Holloway as RW which works nice w/kreider
losing 2 LD esp Lindy is a major wince, but
Broberg - KAM - and then Robertson replacing Nemeth/Tinordi around the corner

NY adds size and speed in Broberg, but Oil add desired toughness in Lindgren

again, first draft spitballin...

The same goes for Broberg and Holloway . Unless you are prepared to make a big overpayment there not deal to be had . We also sure the not trade Broberg for Kravtsov . Keep your whining Russian who wants out and we will keep our blu chip D . = value my ass

 

[McSuper]

As much as I personally dislike the Oilers, watching the Dallas game last night Broberg was flying, lead the team in shots with 5, wasn't a push over. At the draft I thought it was gonna be tough to put the whole tool kit together, whether he and Kelfbom in the future could be a neat pairing, regardless that game I was impressed

Klefbom and Broberg would never be paired together both are LD and Tippett like LD playing on the left side

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Ghost was a regular healthy scratch last year and on a steady decline…. IMO if Edmonton is trading their first it’ll be for someone who can play solid D. That was never Ghosts strength.

I love that Arizona and Chicago fans think they're pulling firsts for guys like Ghost and Fleury - players other teams paid to have them take or gave away for free.

 

[La Bamba]

Wtf is up with these Chiarot for a 1st offers

hell no

 

[Draiskull]

You know except the point of this thread is the Oilers are looking to make a trade for a dman with their 1st in play and Chiarot was mentioned by the same insider.

Fair enough. OP is re an interview done catering to Habs fans so naturally playing up the value of its members. Stay hopeful Habs fans and let Oilers fans stay hopeful that Holland continues to value our 1st round picks highly.

 

[McSuper]

Salaries are pro rated so if he waits long enough, it could happen depending on if we build up any more LTIR before the deadline.

Prorated means nothing when dealing with LTIR money .


Example If the Oilers had 1.05 M in normal cap they could add a 4.20M with 25% of the season left
LTIR money they can only add that 1.05 M dollar player whether it is now or the trade deadline makes no difference

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Wtf is up with these Chiarot for a 1st offers

hell no

Book it. Late first for a playoff team. Big, strong. Nasty. Pk, eats minutes. Skates surprisingly well. Good playoff experience. Can be resigned for under 4 million. Still has a few good years.

 

[McSuper]

Why on earth would the Oilers over pay a 1st for Ben... Why not spend our 1st + for Sergachev.. Tampa cannot afford to resign him ..
Oilers could also get them to ltir Klefbom as well to have the cap to resign him

You do not understand how LTIR works . We have about 1 million in LTIR money if we traded Klefbom we would have 1 million left in normal cap space . It still isn't enough to sign him .

 

[Draiskull]

Book it. Late first for a playoff team. Big, strong. Nasty. Pk, eats minutes. Skates surprisingly well. Good playoff experience. Can be resigned for under 4 million. Still has a few good years.

Is Danault still a Selke candidate in the eyes of Habs fans? would that Habs reporter still vote for him? Way to talk up a 2nd pairing Dman with no offensive upside. He would likely be 3rd pairing in EDM behind Nurse and Keith.